Comics The marriage was over pre-OMD.

[Miken Ayers]

By Mephisto's logic dissolving their marriage was his F-you to God. So if their marriage was recognized by God. Then "Till death do us part" is recognized by God. Morlun already destroyed the marriage in the second act of The Other. More reason this retcon is poop.

 

[Blader5489]

Are you high?

 

[Norman Osborn]

Brian Griffin: Do you listen to yourself when you talk?

Peter Griffin: Eh, I drift in and out

 

[Finlandman]

I've read this four times, and it still doesn't make any sense.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

From what I understand, he's saying that the marriage was already over because Peter briefly "died" in The Other.

 

[Finlandman]

That doesn't make sense either!

 

[Norman Osborn]

That doesn't make sense either!

because he was dead, and in the vows it has an addendum.."til death do us part"....hence since he died (albeit for 10 minutes), the marriage became null and void before or pre-OMD.

.....still doesn't make sense, I just refuse to let this thread die!!....even if I have to sell my soul to rescue it!!

 

[Hobgoblin]

I see his point...but he's still wrong.

 

[Miken Ayers]

I'm wrong yet not one decent counter argument. I win!

 

[imdaly]

I suppose the argument would be that Pete never fully died, thus defeating your clever point.

But hey, if you're going to count that, why not count when Pete "died" a couple issues before ASM #400 in that story with DD and Doc Ock?

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

By Mephisto's logic dissolving their marriage was his F-you to God. So if their marriage was recognized by God. Then "Till death do us part" is recognized by God. Morlun already destroyed the marriage in the second act of The Other. More reason this retcon is poop.

Mephisto isn't the real devil nor does he care what Jack Kirby thinks.

 

[Miken Ayers]

Mephisto isn't the real devil nor does he care what Jack Kirby thinks.

And that has what to do with my point?

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Jack kirby is God of the marvel universe. Stan Lee is jesus, Steve Ditko is The Holy Spirit. John romitia SR was ST Peter, the 1st pope.

I'm so worried about the American Educational system right now.

 

[Blader5489]

Actually, Pete has died once before. Way back at the end of the Clone Saga.

 

[USMC]

Spider-Man has died more than once.

Back in Infinity Gauntlet his skull was crushed.

He also died in Spider-Man #17.

 

[Miken Ayers]

Spider-Man has died more than once.

Back in Infinity Gauntlet his skull was crushed.

He also died in Spider-Man #17.

Yeah, but in Infinity Gauntlet weren't the deaths erased as if they never happened, and I have that issue of Spider-Man where he supposedly died. It seems like that was kind of left as open ended.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Yeah, but in Infinity Gauntlet weren't the deaths erased as if they never happened, and I have that issue of Spider-Man where he supposedly died. It seems like that was kind of left as open ended.

but he still died so by your logic the marriage was over then weather known or other wise.

 

[Miken Ayers]

but he still died so by your logic the marriage was over then weather known or other wise.

So they had tons of outs without the ******ed ret con.

 

[imdaly]

With any of those past stories, IF the government or church were to say "hey, you apparently died so your marriage is void", then Pete and MJ would just say "oh that sucks. Well let's get married again then", and they'd be right back to the problem.

This is the only way to take away the marriage from them and not have them beat theirselves up over an voided or failed marriage all the time.

 

[Miken Ayers]

With any of those past stories, IF the government or church were to say "hey, you apparently died so your marriage is void", then Pete and MJ would just say "oh that sucks. Well let's get married again then", and they'd be right back to the problem.

This is the only way to take away the marriage from them and not have them beat theirselves up over an voided or failed marriage all the time.

Meanwhile the majority hates it, the stories are uninspired rehashes, and sales are dropping.

 

[imdaly]

Meanwhile the majority hates it...

Source?

 

[sdc10]

people may hate in now but if they just take the time to think about it, it will pay off in the long run. all the retcon did was free up spidey from what was constraining him creatively. comics are just soap operas, im not a fan of marriages in comics cause it just limits the characters.

 

[spiderfan970]

So....Morlun is trying to do what to God?

 

[farmernudie]

SDC:
im not a fan of marriages in comics cause it just limits the characters.

Putting your characters in a limited sized box and regressing them is what limits the characters....big time.

Marriage lets them grow, and continues to let the common man associate with Peter Parker, who is suppose to be the everyman.

Making him into Peter Pan, "the kid who never grows up" is not true to the character. Plus, it's already been noted numerous times, we already had/have Ultimate for that.

Now we've got a Spider-man with TWO seperate histories.

 

[farmernudie]

My friend and I were talking....(he is buying still just for his "run", but is far from liking this new reboot either...)

Besides Peter actually having two seperate histories now...we were agreeing that it FEELS like Pete is TWO different people now.

One who is like Batman, experienced and someone you don't want to mess with, and the new rebooted Pete who is like a Wheatcake Robin, Spidey Boy Wonder.

This new hobo they're trying to pass off as Spidey-man is like a naive newbie and comes off as a dope, in our opinions anyway.

They're not even writing him like the guy who has fought Firelord, Juggernaut, Morlun, etc. The paperdoll arc and others have shown that. Spidey can't even catch up with gymnists now or common muggers.

Plus, besides the whole world not caring that their memories are swiss cheesed, even tho they know he unmasked...PEte appears to be the biggest dope...because he seems to be the only person who doesn't even remember that.

The whole thing is quite murky and a mess, because they just HAD to get the devil and magic and mindwipes involved...all to negate a marriage, alter history, and reboot our hero!?