The McCain Thread

[Marx]

McCain is between a rock and a hard place right now. He can't attack Obama, because it will be seen as going back on his pledge last Friday. He can't talk about the economy because it's the issue he's been losing on. He also can't NOT attack Obama because he's so far behind in the polls.

Exactly Shadow.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't hate McCain anymore. I respect him for trying, however vainly, to restore his dignity. It won't win him the election, and his reputation may be marred with most people because of it. It's going to be sad to see a POW and a hero in the senate be remembered for taking the absolute lowest road in a landmark election against a black and for inciting racist hatred amongst a very vocal few, however I forgive him. It won't win him the election for those who think it might.

 

[Excel]

McCains campaign is such a massive mess, I cant even comprehend it. Palin has completely underminded McCains message of country first to the point where people who dont follow politics know how much a joke choice she was in terms of qualifications. Kids in fifth grade are figuring out just how much he went against all advisors and with his own gut, something we would NEVER trust a President to do.

That said, he STILL had outs.

I recall the 9/11 forum where McCain came off as a very likeable everyman charming to many, he even got the Columbia crowd to give him a standing ovation. There was no "anti-Obama" setiment at all, McCains likeable charm made his jokes about himself actually seem funny. He came off as humble, down to Earth, and if anything, wise for his age rather than old. This worried me because the likeable everyman approach is what it would take to win swing states.

This everyman McCain was absolutley nowhere to be found in the debates; rather a angry old man in his place that has not only managed to blow the lead he briefly had, but turnoff some from his own base on personality alone.

McCain has a lot more expirience with Obama and touts himself as a maverick. Had he turned against his own party earlier, rather than saying our economy was strong, he would have been viewed a leader and outsider yet somebody who still had the expirience needed to guide through such a crisis. He would be living up to the maverick name and getting a lot of respect from democrats for admitting the conservatives were wrong, and it would show McCain as a true bipartisan.

Never happened. Instead, we got a "country first" line that nobody ever really understood, and a "shtand up and fight!" speech that nor memorable nor energizing.

His message of "I have the expirience to guide us through this" was the best he could have ever hoped for, but changing it to be the "change" candidate and trying to paint Obama as "the past" with him as "the future" was suicide. All saying the words "change" and "future vs. past" made people do is think about how OLD he is compared to Obama.

Had John McCain ran a nice, friendly guy with an everyman approach as a person while playing the rogue Republican who sees the flaws within his own party plans but has the proven expirience to fix them; this would be a VERY close race (he'd still have to deal with the huge anti-GOP aura amongst the country,but thatd be neutrilized by him kind of being anti-current gop as well).

But he didn't.

 

[metr0man]

For those of you trying to spin that McCain is just another Bush, you should all watch this!

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[CaptainClown]

I don't think he is another Bush. I think he is his own man, something that Bush is not.

 

[redfirebird2008]

McCain can't win for losing. While "standing up" for Obama, he insulted Arab Americans by implying that they AREN'T citizens and that they AREN'T decent family men and women. Oops? LOL.

http://www.freep.com/article/20081013/OPINION05/81013036/1068/OPINION

 

[Oddzball]

But... but... but he's a mavrick.

Mel Gibson: Maverick, sweetcheeks.

Roger Moore: Maverick, indubitably.

Robert Colbert: Maverick except when he's further back in time.

McCain? Does he even have an Aftra card?

 

[redfirebird2008]

The typical McBoring campaign event:

 

[sinewave]

McCains campaign is such a massive mess, I cant even comprehend it. Palin has completely underminded McCains message of country first to the point where people who dont follow politics know how much a joke choice she was in terms of qualifications. Kids in fifth grade are figuring out just how much he went against all advisors and with his own gut, something we would NEVER trust a President to do.

That said, he STILL had outs.

I recall the 9/11 forum where McCain came off as a very likeable everyman charming to many, he even got the Columbia crowd to give him a standing ovation. There was no "anti-Obama" setiment at all, McCains likeable charm made his jokes about himself actually seem funny. He came off as humble, down to Earth, and if anything, wise for his age rather than old. This worried me because the likeable everyman approach is what it would take to win swing states.

This everyman McCain was absolutley nowhere to be found in the debates; rather a angry old man in his place that has not only managed to blow the lead he briefly had, but turnoff some from his own base on personality alone.

McCain has a lot more expirience with Obama and touts himself as a maverick. Had he turned against his own party earlier, rather than saying our economy was strong, he would have been viewed a leader and outsider yet somebody who still had the expirience needed to guide through such a crisis. He would be living up to the maverick name and getting a lot of respect from democrats for admitting the conservatives were wrong, and it would show McCain as a true bipartisan.

Never happened. Instead, we got a "country first" line that nobody ever really understood, and a "shtand up and fight!" speech that nor memorable nor energizing.

His message of "I have the expirience to guide us through this" was the best he could have ever hoped for, but changing it to be the "change" candidate and trying to paint Obama as "the past" with him as "the future" was suicide. All saying the words "change" and "future vs. past" made people do is think about how OLD he is compared to Obama.

Had John McCain ran a nice, friendly guy with an everyman approach as a person while playing the rogue Republican who sees the flaws within his own party plans but has the proven expirience to fix them; this would be a VERY close race (he'd still have to deal with the huge anti-GOP aura amongst the country,but thatd be neutrilized by him kind of being anti-current gop as well).

But he didn't.

basically, what this mccain campaign tells me is there's no room for "mavericks" in the republican party. if you don't cater to the more extreme base and launch disgusting personal attacks you're not going to gain support from the party. they seem to value more extreme conservatism, both socially and fiscally. it's all pro-life, anti-gay marriage, anti-taxes, small government, divide and conquor and destroy your enemy to this modern republican party. for all the *****ing about the democratic party being so "liberal" (like it's a dirty word), the republican party has gone ever further to their extreme than the dems have, and it's apparently acceptable to a great portion of the american population. hopefully a successful democratic presidency can help turn that around, though, but i'm not counting on it.

 

[lazur]

McCain can't win for losing. While "standing up" for Obama, he insulted Arab Americans by implying that they AREN'T citizens and that they AREN'T decent family men and women. Oops? LOL.

http://www.freep.com/article/20081013/OPINION05/81013036/1068/OPINION

Nor can Obama for accusing people in America of 'clinging to their guns and religion.'

 

[ManofmyWord]

Nor can Obama for accusing people in America of 'clinging to their guns and religion.'

They Don't?

 

[Prison Mike]

McCain can't win for losing. While "standing up" for Obama, he insulted Arab Americans by implying that they AREN'T citizens and that they AREN'T decent family men and women. Oops? LOL.

http://www.freep.com/article/20081013/OPINION05/81013036/1068/OPINION

Campbell Brown also wrote a commentary piece on that.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10...a/index.html?eref=rss_politics&iref=polticker

 

[Excel]

I think we all know what McCain meant; he knew what the woman was implying even though she didnt say it to him and cut her off, I dont think there was any racism in it.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Nor can Obama for accusing people in America of 'clinging to their guns and religion.'

But that's a totally true statement. America is gun crazy and overly religious.

 

[CaptainClown]

But that's a totally true statement. America is gun crazy and overly religious.

no way

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Jesus looks awfully Caucasian for a man born in the Middle East.

 

[Gilpesh]

Jesus looks awfully Caucasian for a man born in the Middle East.

F**K YOU IDIOT!!!!!! JESUS WASN'T BROWN, BROWN PEOPLE ARE ARABS!!!!!!!!!!







kidding

 

[CaptainClown]

Not NRA Jesus, comes complete with a Winchester.

 

[kainedamo]

"Obama is an arab" woman speaks out again.

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This woman is very, very stupid. I just thought she was some woman who stood up and said one dumb thing. But she's been sending hundreds of leaflets about Obama being an arab.

 

[CaptainClown]

YAY I knew she was a crazy old woman!

 

[Gilpesh]

So McCain wants all the mortgages to be bought up... and wants the government to step in and reform businesses...

And Obama is the socialist?

 

[CaptainClown]

well Obama is different so naturally he is the socialist.

 

[The Senator]

Nor can Obama for accusing people in America of 'clinging to their guns and religion.'

Seems like someone is clinging to any "scandal" they can find, one which occurred seven months ago and has had no affect on Obama whatsoever.

What's that, rural state electoral map? Obama is winning VA, WV, ND, OH, CO, NM and NV?

Looks like the folks at the brunt of Obama's comments could care less.

 

[Gilpesh]

Funny.... now he turned it back into his earmark holocaust...

And the spending freeze....

And doubling child deduction......... HAVE BABIES EVERYONE! HAVE BABIES NOW!

 

[kainedamo]

Pastor at McCain rally tries to blackmail God.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/john-mccain-ral.html

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