The Mystery of The Malaysia Airlines Flight 370... - Part 1

Debris also doesn't float indefinitely.
 
Horrible! I can't imagine what these families are going thru without any clue what really happened to this plane.
 
Oceans are big. They have currents. It's been a month. The debris could be anywhere.

Debris also doesn't float indefinitely.

Agreed. Considering the depth chart I read here it could definitely take a long while to find anything.

Does anyone know if this was a general area they were initially searching in...or did they just find the pings?

Thanks for the info!

Horrible! I can't imagine what these families are going thru without any clue what really happened to this plane.

I feel for the families too.

That's the saddest part about this. The families will likely be left with nothing but strange conspiracies. That's not really closure.
 
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China is Reportedly Screwing Up the Search For MH370

With a handful of countries still searching the Indian Ocean for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, there is bound to be at least some element of, well, too many boats in the ocean. According to a New York Times report, the one country annoying the others is China.

China, along with Malaysia, has the most invested in finding remnants of MH370, with 153 of the 227 passengers aboard having been Chinese nationals. The country is utilizing over a dozen airplanes and ships, and, it says, 21 satellites in its combing of the sea. But other countries, namely the United States, have accused it of unintentionally misdirecting the search in an effort to appear to be leading the pack.

Two weeks ago, Australian officials announced that a Chinese ship had detected two signals in the ocean that were believed to be from MH370's black box, but they turned up nothing and the search was eventually shifted to an area hundreds of miles away where American and Australian vessels had also detected signals. China was also the first country to release satellite images of debris in the ocean, but those photos—which showed flotsam in the South China Sea—proved to be nowhere near the current search area.

Kirk Semple and Eric Schmitt, the authors of the Times article, theorize that China wants to look to be at the forefront of the search both to placate its own citizens and to project power and importance internationally. But, for the meantime, they're being treated as a nuisance.

In the words of a sneering Malaysian official: "Really helpful, aren't they?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/w...e-seen-as-hurting-more-than-helping.html?_r=0

It would be comical if there weren't families looking for their loved ones involved. China should sit back and speak when spoken to, the big boys will handle the hard stuff
 
That's the kind of problem you have with international efforts: There's always someone who wants to lead the charge and impress everyone else even if it is to the detriment of the effort.
 
China is Reportedly Screwing Up the Search For MH370

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/w...e-seen-as-hurting-more-than-helping.html?_r=0

It would be comical if there weren't families looking for their loved ones involved. China should sit back and speak when spoken to, the big boys will handle the hard stuff

I'm not surprised. Image is really important in Chinese culture, and if a bunch of their citizens wanted results, they're going to do all they can to look busy, even if it's screwing up the actual results. Otherwise they're going to be accused of not trying hard enough and not caring.
 
Over a month since the last post in here, finally some news to report. And that is the ping location is not the location at all. Other than the data being released, which will takes a while to sift through, this is the biggest update yet.

The 850-square-kilometer swath of the Indian Ocean where officials have focused their hunt for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 probably isn't the right place, the joint search agency said Thursday.

The area off the coast of western Australia is not the "final resting place of MH370," the Australia-based Joint Agency Coordination Centre said.

Officials zeroed in on that zone after acoustic pings originally thought to be from the black boxes of the missing plane were detected in early April.

"The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) has advised that the search in the vicinity of the acoustic detections can now be considered complete and in its professional judgment, the area can now be discounted as the final resting place of MH370," a statement from the JACC said.

But Australian Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss defended the country's efforts in the southern Indian Ocean.

"We are still very confident that the resting place of the aircraft is in the southern ocean and along the seventh ping line," Australian Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss told parliament Thursday.

"We concentrated the search in this area because the pings and the information we received was the best information we had available at the time. And that is all you can do in circumstances like this ... follow the very best leads."

Hours earlier, a U.S. Navy official told CNN that the pings at the center of the search for the past seven weeks are no longer believed to have come from the plane's black boxes.

The acknowledgment came Wednesday as searchers wrapped up the first phase of their effort in the southern Indian Ocean floor without finding any wreckage from the Boeing 777.

Authorities now almost universally believe the pings did not come from the onboard data or cockpit voice recorders but instead came from some other man-made source unrelated to the jetliner that disappeared on March 8, according to Michael Dean, the Navy's deputy director of ocean engineering.

If the pings had come from the recorders, searchers would have found them, he said.

When asked if other countries involved in the search had reached the same conclusions, Dean said "yes."

Underwater search for MH370 postponed for at least 2 months

"Our best theory at this point is that (the pings were) likely some sound produced by the ship ... or within the electronics of the Towed Pinger Locator," Dean said.

The pinger locator was used by searchers to listen for underwater signals.
 
Unfortunately...this isn't really surprising. I've been lurking on an aviation forum and following the news updates, and...yeah: they've been looking in that area for a while and the chances were just looking worse and worse. They're going to need to re-evaluate their theories and calculations.

BUT, I would not give up hope: they do have data to work with, and can come up with other possible locations.
 
My god, there's just no answers for this. My heart goes out to the families of the passengers. I cant even imagine how difficult it must be trying to deal with your grief without even having concrete answers about what happened :csad:
 
Another location cited as possible. This time they have five different computer models all agreeing on the location.

The doubters have spoken.

A group of independent experts -- who prodded authorities to release satellite data on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 -- says it thinks it knows the approximate location of the missing aircraft.

Five separate computer models all place the plane in a tight cluster of spots in the south Indian Ocean — hundreds of miles southwest of the previous search site.

"We recommend that the search for MH370 be focused in this area," the group said in a statement late Tuesday.

"While there remain a number of uncertainties and some disagreements as to the interpretation of aspects of the data, our best estimates of a location of the aircraft (is) near 36.02 South 88.57 East," according to the statement, which was approved by 10 named experts.

The group opted to release its statement late Tuesday in advance of a BBC documentary on the missing plane, and ahead of the Australian government's announcement on the focus of the search, so that there would be no question about the independence of the group's findings, said one member of the group, American Mobile Satellite Corp. co-founder Mike Exner.

"We wanted to get our best estimate out," Exner said.

The group believes that after the Boeing 777 circumnavigated Indonesia, for reasons that are still unknown, the plane traveled south at an average speed of 470 knots, probably at a consistent altitude and constant heading, Exner said. All five computer models developed by the experts place the aircraft in a "pretty tight cluster...plus or minus 50 miles of each other," he said.

The plane and its 239 occupants vanished March 8 while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

In a blog post, group member Tim Farrar called the recommended search site "our best estimate -- but not the only possible -- location for a potential search."

Meanwhile, a team of government experts and Inmarsat employees is re-evaluating the data before pinpointing where to resume the search. On Wednesday the agency overseeing the search said the analysis was "nearly complete" and it expects to announce the new search site by the end of June.

Australian government authorities only recently acknowledged that acoustic pings heard two months ago are now believed to be unrelated to the aircraft's data recorders, or "black boxes."

The ad hoc group of independent specialists came together through web sites of two experts, Duncan Steel of Wellington, New Zealand, and Tim Farrar of Menlo Park, California. Several members of the group initially cast doubts on Inmarsat's conclusions that the plane had flown south, saying the publicly available information from Malaysia and Inmarsat was insufficient to draw that conclusion. The plane could have flown north, landing or crashing along an arc extending from Thailand to Eastern Europe.

But shortly after Malaysia released raw satellite data on May 27, several of the loose confederation of scientists agreed it provided sufficient data to show the plane had flown south.

The "breakthrough piece of information," Exner said, was that the satellite terminal on the aircraft had been programmed to use a simplified assumption about the location of the satellite. The terminal assumed that the satellite was geostationary -- fixed over a spot on the equator -- when, in fact, it drifted to the north and south.

Over the past few weeks, the group continued to exchange information through emails and through postings on the web sites. The group worked five or six hours Tuesday exchanging some 120 emails in drafting the statement on the possible location of MH370.

Exner said he believes authorities were narrowing in on the correct search site, but were thrown off course when searchers detected acoustic pings northwest of Australia.

"It's my personal opinion that the official search team weighed too heavily" on the acoustic pings, he said.

Exner said the informal group of experts has volunteered to work with the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board and the Australian Transport Safety Bureau. But, while the government agencies have been polite, they have been reticent to release additional information that could further help the independent group, he said.
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Dammit, Octoberist... Thanks to your bump, I thought we had. :o
 
I always keep forgetting about this. I'd really like to know what happened. It's disappearance is quite interesting.
 
I kinda bump it so it can remind people around here so they don't forget!
 

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