The New Ending

[The Guard]

As for why Manhattan could potentially snap...

He's America's superweapon. A super war veteran with godlike powers.

If a real veteran can snap, why not Dr. Manhattan?

It's certainly not out of the question.

Lawyer's talk.

Analytical logic?

You know? When the villain comes and say "you have nothing concrete against me, you can't prove anything!"

Of course Columbo still can't prove, but we know the guy is the villain.

Since we're apparently talking about burden of proof...I should point out that if your point is that this angle DOES exist in the context of The Comedian and Veidt's plan, it's on you to prove it does.

I think that's a little piece of subtlety that the movie can dispense with and not be harmed.

It doesn't, though. That's the beauty of it. That element still exists.

Veidt still "bests" The Comedian with "history's greatest practical joke" on a massive scale of violence, essentially making his kind obsolete.

 

[Mercurius]

As for why Manhattan could potentially snap...

He's America's superweapon. A super war veteran with godlike powers.

If a real veteran can snap, why not Dr. Manhattan?

It's certainly not out of the question.



Analytical logic?



Since we're apparently talking about burden of proof...I should point out that if your point is that this angle DOES exist in the context of The Comedian and Veidt's plan, it's on you to prove it does.



It doesn't, though. That's the beauty of it. That element still exists.

Veidt still "bests" The Comedian with "history's greatest practical joke" on a massive scale of violence, essentially making his kind obsolete.

Manhattan can't snap. He's no "war veteran": he would never see himself under such "puny human" light. t: Anyway.

Not analytical reason. Lawyer's talk. The easiest way to tweak things is through so-called "reason".

I don't have to prove anything, dear Guard: voluntarily avoiding to see subtleties is your 24 hour job in this particular thread, and I'm not going to steal this pleasure of yours.

Yes, the rough design remains. The subtleties are missing.

 

[Katsuro]

There's never anything concrete in the novel that suggests that the fact that Veidt was using a squid to achieve his goals is what bothers Blake.

Well then you OBVIOUSLY missed the very important subtext about Blake's intense fear of cephalopods. Seriously, Blake would've been totally cool with it if it were a giant, i dunno, guinea pig or something.

 

[CaptainGenerica]

It's both things. Chosing one and leaving the other out makes it incomplete.

The level of grotesque in the act of creating that for that effect can't be overlooked.

Yeah, I guess. But I'd say that one outweighs the other sufficiently that it's not a huge loss.

 

[the_tortel]

Well then you OBVIOUSLY missed the very important subtext about Blake's intense fear of cephalopods. Seriously, Blake would've been totally cool with it if it were a giant, i dunno, guinea pig or something.

A giant Guinea pig that only escapes when the government tries to rid America of its' Peruvian flute bands....

 

[The Guard]

Manhattan can't snap.

1. He doesn't have to snap and kill people. He has to have appeared to have done so.

2. He can't snap. And yet...he more or less does, in the very novel that this is all based on.

He's no "war veteran": he would never see himself under such "puny human" light. Anyway.

He fought in Vietnam, did he not? That would tend to make him a war veteran, wouldn't it?

Not analytical reason. Lawyer's talk. The easiest way to tweak things is through so-called "reason".

Uh, no, the easiest way to tweak things is via semantics. The easiest way to logic is through reason.

Oh, us pesky rational people and our silly "reason".

I don't have to prove anything, dear Guard: voluntarily avoiding to see subtleties is your 24 hour job in this particular thread, and I'm not going to steal this pleasure of yours.

Which subtleties have I missed? The ones you can't even point out because they apparently don't exist?

Is there some version of WATCHMEN I and others here haven't read where, instead of alluding to the scale and morality of Veidt's actions when he visits Moloch, Blake says:

"Oh God...what they're doing there...so many tentacles...so...strange...I don't...understand...it's just beyond my comprehension...so many tentacles..."

And where in the end of WATCHMEN, Veidt says of Blake: "He just didn't understood. It's scale didn't terrify him...it was the fact that I was using a giant squid to do all this".

Yes, the rough design remains. The subtleties are missing.

Which subtleties are missing? And be specific.

And by the way...a weird ass giant squid...that isn't exactly subtle.

 

[The Guard]

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Guinea Veidt.

 

[BestGirl]

As for why Manhattan could potentially snap...

He's America's superweapon. A super war veteran with godlike powers.

If a real veteran can snap, why not Dr. Manhattan?

It's certainly not out of the question.

There barely needs to be a reason for DM to snap. He was exploded in an accident and then put himself back together to create a nonhuman entity with incredible powers that can see the future. Most people are probably secretly suspicious and scared of the guy. If his energy signal has destroyed cities all over the world no one's going to doubt that he actually did it, especially since he publicly went nuts on television shortly before.

It doesn't, though. That's the beauty of it. That element still exists.

Veidt still "bests" The Comedian with "history's greatest practical joke" on a massive scale of violence, essentially making his kind obsolete.

You have to admit that the squid is goofier than DM though.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Well then you OBVIOUSLY missed the very important subtext about Blake's intense fear of cephalopods. Seriously, Blake would've been totally cool with it if it were a giant, i dunno, guinea pig or something.

That would've been kinda cool, actually.

"Veidt! No! You used my mortal fear of squids against me! Yarrrgh!"

 

[The Guard]

There barely needs to be a reason for DM to snap. He was exploded in an accident and then put himself back together to create a nonhuman entity with incredible powers that can see the future.

Yeah, that would put me on edge, too.

 

[Mercurius]

Nobody expects the giant squid.

 

[speedracer216]

Nobody expects the giant squid.

or the spanish inquisition for that matter

but the trailer looks like there's a huge (atomic?) explosion. if that's from the ending it could be a problem.

i'm ok with the squid being out under ONE CONDITION: whatever Ozy pulls has to seem OTHER WORLDLY to everyone on earth. that's the point is that he thought they would unite against something completely outside of themselves. if it's just a nuclear explosion, all the countries will still blame each other and nothing changes.

it doesn't have to be an "alien" per se, but it HAS to be out of this world.

 

[JAK®]

or the spanish inquisition for that matter

but the trailer looks like there's a huge (atomic?) explosion. if that's from the ending it could be a problem.

i'm ok with the squid being out under ONE CONDITION: whatever Ozy pulls has to seem OTHER WORLDLY to everyone on earth. that's the point is that he thought they would unite against something completely outside of themselves. if it's just a nuclear explosion, all the countries will still blame each other and nothing changes.

it doesn't have to be an "alien" per se, but it HAS to be out of this world.

Spoiler

Does a replication of Dr. Manhattan's energy signature count as otherwordly?

 

[The Battousai]

but the trailer looks like there's a huge (atomic?) explosion. if that's from the ending it could be a problem.

Have you ever looked at footage or pictures of such things?

Like, you know, in the trailer?

 

[speedracer216]

Spoiler

Does a replication of Dr. Manhattan's energy signature count as otherwordly?

hm... i could accept that if it's done right.

Spoiler

at least it's something that comes from within the story rather than a "new" addition. it doesn't quite get there since manhattan still is from earth, and, on the other hand, it really changes our feelings about the manhattan character at the end... but at least it would make more sense for why the world would try to unite against him. of course, he'd just vaporize them all

 

[JAK®]

hm... i could accept that if it's done right.

Spoiler

at least it's something that comes from within the story rather than a "new" addition. it doesn't quite get there since manhattan still is from earth, and, on the other hand, it really changes our feelings about the manhattan character at the end... but at least it would make more sense for why the world would try to unite against him. of course, he'd just vaporize them all

Spoiler

Basically, the machine that Dr. Manhattan is working on the first time you see him in the book has been made more important for the film. Him and Veidt are working together in creating a new energy source, based on Dr. Manhattans unique energy signature. Just like the book, Manhattan is framed and he exiles himself to Mars. In the movie however, Veidt further frames Manhattan by using the new energy source to destroy major cities around the world. I don't know how yet, but he also makes it clear that Manhattan wants the world to live peacefully ...or else.

Of course, Manhattan doesn't really have anything to do with this. But like in the book, he decides its for the best and doesn't kill Veidt.