The New Ghostbusters - Part 8

[AllEights]

Which means the sooner they conduct the press screenings, the more likely they are to have faith in it.

Actually the lifting of the review embargo will show more faith than the date of the actual press screening. But even then they already have a good idea of which critics are friendly to them, they've already been lining up on social media. Overall I think critic influence is minimal. Opening weekend box office is going to be the true barometer. I think it will do ok, not great, but I don't think word of mouth will be great and it's going to fall off by it's second weekend.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

I went to a packed screening of the original Ghostbusters today. Right before the the start of the movie there was a special intro with director Ivan Reitman thanking the fans and inviting us to stick around for a special preview of the new movie. Needless to say, once Reitman said that about 80% of the theater just let off a bunch of boos. It was pretty hilarious t:

 

[ThePhantasm]

I actually feel like I'm looking forward to this movie again. The first trailer was relentlessly unfunny, but some of the newer marketing material has been much better. I doubt it will be as good as the originals but it hardly looks like a bad film. I'll probably see it in theatres.

 

[JangoNate]

It was my family and three other people at my showing of Ghostbusters. Nearly everyone stayed until tge end for the bonus stuff.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Only because he hasn't followed the Midnight's Edge coverage. He'll change his tune soon as July rolls around for his usual lynching mood

By lynching mood you mean call out the right people and make actual sense out of this immense cluster**** of discussion, then kay.

Man...Movie Bob hit that one out of the park. I actually like what I've seen, particularly the newest trailers, but everything else was articulated better than I could and with a little more profanity.

Thanks for sharing!

Remaking Ghostbusters is a terrible idea, just like remaking any perfectly beloved film is a terrible idea, but there's a difference between that and the people who just think that to the unusual amount of venom being spewed at it compared to other remakes. I've never seen this before. And yeah. It's because it has women in it.

Like Moviebob said, the worst that can happen is that this film fails and man children are somehow validated.

 

[def28]

This film will be reviewed by it's own merit when there is actually a final product to critique. All this fan political nonsense will only survive in forums and clickbait articles, the majority just want to be entertained. If it's good it will be fine.

The studio themselves are playing up this controversy. Switching any sources genders 100% will always get attention. It just doesn't happen alot. Doesn't mean female led properties that do well in the fan community like Hunger Games, Ghost In The Shell, Alien, Harley Quinn, Wonder Woman, Ms Marvel, Resident Evil etc will take a hit too.

It was my family and three other people at my showing of Ghostbusters. Nearly everyone stayed until tge end for the bonus stuff.

I had a really good sized crowd at my 7pm showing and everyone stayed and laughed for the bonus material.

Only negatives I heard walking out were discussions regarding it being a remake. There was some confusion there. I still don't think everyone knows it's supposed to be one and is disappointed when they find that out.

 

[Jay Beezy]

Actually the lifting of the review embargo will show more faith than the date of the actual press screening. But even then they already have a good idea of which critics are friendly to them, they've already been lining up on social media. Overall I think critic influence is minimal. Opening weekend box office is going to be the true barometer. I think it will do ok, not great, but I don't think word of mouth will be great and it's going to fall off by it's second weekend.

That, too.

It is hard to gauge how well something will be received regardless of positioning of reviews. BvS didn't conduct press screenings until week of release and look how that turned out, but then Warcraft started having reviews released reviews over a week before release and that managed to end up even worse.

Likewise, both Jump Street movies had reviews come out the week before release, while Popstar only started getting reviews week of release. I think Paul Feig's The Heat was similar to Popstar in that regard as well.

 

[BoredGuy]

Like Moviebob said, the worst that can happen is that this film fails and man children are somehow validated.

idk, the worst thing that could happen imo is that the movie is bad but still does extremely well based off nostalgia and controversy alone, somehow validating the "man children" who run Hollywood and think making quality films isn't as important as good Marketing.

 

[Doctor Jones]

idk, the worst thing that could happen imo is that the movie is bad but still does extremely well based off nostalgia and controversy alone, somehow validating the "man children" who run Hollywood and think making quality films isn't as important as good Marketing.

I honestly don't think that'll happen. If this is just terrible, it'll sink and be forgotten. If it happened to Terminator Genesys and others then this should be no exception. More lessening female opportunities at the end of the day will be the real tragedy here.

The difference between Ghostbusters and a beloved nostalgia 80's property like Transformers is the expectations are different and their history from what people know of them. Transformers is robots fighting each other. No matter what, you can get by, as evident. Ghosbusters is comedic gold with talented funny people and a good story. The original Ghostbusters is a gold standard for comedy. Compared to what people know about the old Transformers show it's pretty night and day with quality and expectations. It has an immensely high bar. If you don't have those then it'll fail.

 

[Sithborg]

Woo, Mondo glass at Alamo. Going to have to pick one up.

 

[Jay Beezy]

I honestly don't think that'll happen. If this is just terrible, it'll sink and be forgotten. If it happened to Terminator Genesys and others then this should be no exception. More lessening female opportunities at the end of the day will be the real tragedy here.

The difference between Ghostbusters and a beloved nostalgia 80's property like Transformers is the expectations are different and their history from what people know of them. Transformers is robots fighting each other. No matter what, you can get by, as evident. Ghosbusters is comedic gold with talented funny people and a good story. The original Ghostbusters is a gold standard for comedy. Compared to what people know about the old Transformers show it's pretty night and day with quality and expectations. It has an immensely high bar. If you don't have those then it'll fail.

Sony has a Charlie's Angels reboot in the pipeline so that could be something. Dependent on approach to the material, that could be a better female focused project than a female Ghostbusters.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Sony has a Charlie's Angels reboot in the pipeline so that could be something. Dependent on approach to the material, that could be a better female focused project than a female Ghostbusters.

There's nothing inherently wrong with making the Ghostbusters female. There's something inherently wrong with remaking the original Ghosbusters, sex should not make any difference whatsoever.

I feel like this is the first page of this thread. I get where you're coming from, but that logic undermines what you're saying.

 

[def28]

Fans ***** when a characters hair color changes. Or the Joker gets a different look. Fandom both male and female was always gonna have an issue until they see said film and realize something was for the better or made well.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Eh, there's serious misogyny in geekdom. This isn't just stupid superficial bull**** that gets overlooked and mellows out as the trailers come out. Regardless of the quality of the trailers, this deep seeded sense of hatred doesn't just disappear. If the trailers were great, the haters would probably go away when overruled, but that doesn't mean their attitudes go away. They'll just boil back up when it happens again. Misogyny is misogyny. It's all over and part of the fabric of society. People just won't admit there's much more than thought of.

 

[def28]

It's in society as a whole. Plenty of the harsh people on the internet who live for these debates could not even care about the film.

This film is almost impossible to discuss for fans. Not everyone in fandom who dislikes this creative route and changes is a sexist, and not everyone pro has some sjw agenda. Alot of fans just want a really good Ghostbusters film and others are disappointed the original won't be continued after waiting so long. That's what happens when changes or remakes go down.

But the arguments keeps coming up, and the discussion on the film itself continues to be lost in the mix.

Bringing Ghostbusters back or ever remaking it at some point is not a stupid idea. This was a fantastic film that has lasted through various forms of media and merch and will find a new audience regardless of how I or others geeks in their 20's-50's feal about it. If this version sucks and doesn't play to anyone, someone is gonna make another until it does.

 

[DarkKnight]

It's in society as a whole. Plenty of the harsh people on the internet who live for these debates could not even care about the film.

This film is almost impossible to discuss for fans. Not everyone in fandom who dislikes this creative route and changes is a sexist, and not everyone pro has some sjw agenda. Alot of fans just want a really good Ghostbusters film and others are disappointed the original won't be continued after waiting so long. That's what happens when changes or remakes go down.

But the arguments keeps coming up, and the discussion on the film itself continues to be lost in the mix.

Bringing Ghostbusters back or ever remaking it at some point is not a stupid idea. This was a fantastic film that has lasted through various forms of media and merch and will find a new audience regardless of how I or others geeks in their 20's-50's feal about it. If this version sucks and doesn't play to anyone, someone is gonna make another until it does.

Very good post! I'm in the camp of not like this film very much due to several different reasons. But I'm still willing to give it a shot. No, I likely wont go the theater for it. But I will see it some time or another.

 

[Jay Beezy]

There's nothing inherently wrong with making the Ghostbusters female. There's something inherently wrong with remaking the original Ghosbusters, sex should not make any difference whatsoever.

I feel like this is the first page of this thread. I get where you're coming from, but that logic undermines what you're saying.

What I mean is that females would be better represented through original content or updating previous material that was already female oriented, not genderbending for the sole reason of saying that they're genderbending. Although, in this case, there's the fact that it makes no mention of the events of the original and both the new and original stars are playing different characters.

 

[pixen]

What I mean is that females would be better represented through original content or updating previous material that was already female oriented, not genderbending for the sole reason of saying that they're genderbending. Although, in this case, there's the fact that it makes no mention of the events of the original and both the new and original stars are playing different characters.

It's a reboot. It's not a genderbend. It's not a sequel. it's just a reboot and they can choose what they want to do. I don't get why they can't have an all female team or why an all female lead movie has to be based on something that is already done or already female oriented. The men complaining about it have an issue because women are coming to "tarnish" their perfect little franchise that was actually never going to get a 3rd film because one of the cast members didn't want to do it/didn't have a reason to do it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The gender swap has nothing to do with my negative views on the new movie. The trailers and promotional material are. I was fine with this project. Until i saw the trailers. Just awful

 

[sueb1863]

I don't care about the gender, I'm more annoyed that they called it Ghostbusters for no particular reason other than to cash in on the name. There is absolutely no reason that had to be based on Ghostbusters. All they're using is the music and the logo and the basic plot about people busting ghosts, which could have been adapted to a completely new story and not tied to Ghostbusters at all.

 

[def28]

It's a reboot. It's not a genderbend. It's not a sequel. it's just a reboot and they can choose what they want to do. I don't get why they can't have an all female team or why an all female lead movie has to be based on something that is already done or already female oriented. The men complaining about it have an issue because women are coming to "tarnish" their perfect little franchise that was actually never going to get a 3rd film because one of the cast members didn't want to do it/didn't have a reason to do it.

Or maybe nobody cares about when people have an issue with the way the actual film looks. Not all men hate the idea. And what about the Women complaining about it? Comicbookgirl 19's video got plenty of views but think pieces, celebrities and the twitter verse didn't want to target on that. Her video said it's more progressive to have a team of both women and men, instead of a team of women relying on the same beats men already have done. There are also plenty of female fans on youtube and social media who don't like the idea that they are completely removing all the established characters and remaking this. It's what they grew up with. I know this is surprising but when they take away certain characters from a property and make changes, fans both male and female usually get angry.

If it was as simple as all male Ghostbusters fans hate the idea of women Ghostbusters then how do you explain Kylie Griffin not getting backlash? Cause only hardcore Ghostbuster fans watched that and allegedly they should be the ones responsible for the hate here according to all the articles and social media no? Fans both male and female have wanted female members for years, and we were gonna get female members regardless of who made this. Emma Stone, Anna Faris and Kristen Wiig were fan casted for years. There are different views on this film.

All this nonsense just isn't one extreme or the other like the internet wants you to think. With everybody who hates this film being a 45 year old male living in his moms basement, and all women loving it just cause the main cast is all female. Heck, all the women in my family just want to see it cause of Hemsworth and all the men because of McKinnon. Luckily they don't care or pay attention about the controversy and will be judging the film when it's released. Originally they thought the idea was stupid cause they want to see Murray as a Ghostbuster, but they actually liked the trailers.

 

[Kyle]

Only negatives I heard walking out were discussions regarding it being a remake. There was some confusion there. I still don't think everyone knows it's supposed to be one and is disappointed when they find that out.

This is what's so confusing about the film to me. It's a reboot. It has classic staples from the original, including the library ghost - but then it has it's own plot as well. Basically my question at this point is, how much of it is a remake and how much of it is original? I would absolutely hate to see a flat out remake with only a couple of things changed. On the other hand, I can bare and might even entertain an original story that has some resemblance of the original but is largely it's own film. By the way the marketing is going - and the film having a different villain - it could still go either way right now.

I don't care about the gender, I'm more annoyed that they called it Ghostbusters for no particular reason other than to cash in on the name. There is absolutely no reason that had to be based on Ghostbusters. All they're using is the music and the logo and the basic plot about people busting ghosts, which could have been adapted to a completely new story and not tied to Ghostbusters at all.

People would have called it a rip-off in the form it is in now. From the looks of it, Columbia college is in it, it has slimer, and it has the library ghost scene remade. And that might just be the tip of the iceberg. With that said, they could have easily changed it and could have been more original during development so that it could and would have been it's own separate entity.

 

[def28]

This is what's so confusing about the film to me. It's a reboot. It has classic staples from the original, including the library ghost - but then it has it's own plot as well. Basically my question at this point is, how much of it is a remake and how much of it is original? I would absolutely hate to see a flat out remake with only a couple of things changed. On the other hand, I can bare and might even entertain an original story that has some resemblance of the original but is largely it's own film. By the way the marketing is going - and the film having a different villain - it could still go either way right now.

Yeah, this film was always described odd. Mccarthy herself expressed confusion over the first trailers mentioning of the original.

They didn't want this film to remind you of the old, but it clearly is mimicking the same path in alot of ways. Then we have all the cameos, and monsters like Stay Puft... but aren't. I actually really like the new main baddie but from what the few who have seen the film have said [BLACKOUT]it's relies on the same "choose the form" beat only not well done.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Doctor Jones]

It's in society as a whole. Plenty of the harsh people on the internet who live for these debates could not even care about the film.

This film is almost impossible to discuss for fans. Not everyone in fandom who dislikes this creative route and changes is a sexist, and not everyone pro has some sjw agenda. Alot of fans just want a really good Ghostbusters film and others are disappointed the original won't be continued after waiting so long. That's what happens when changes or remakes go down.

But the arguments keeps coming up, and the discussion on the film itself continues to be lost in the mix.

Bringing Ghostbusters back or ever remaking it at some point is not a stupid idea. This was a fantastic film that has lasted through various forms of media and merch and will find a new audience regardless of how I or others geeks in their 20's-50's feal about it. If this version sucks and doesn't play to anyone, someone is gonna make another until it does.

I'm not disagreeing there. Now that a lot has been released, people can actually judge the thing. But let's not pretend that the people who hated this movie from the beginning on the basis this cast had women in it were going to stop hating it. And the continued vile that's being had as now that the trailers suck, it's somehow validating their so called concerns. I think after this if it fails the chances of a Ghostbusters film will be pretty much dead. I'd be cool if they made it animated and used the same characters and remedy whatever happened here. Then again, merchandise and a possible show could make them change their minds.

 

[def28]

I agree and don't think those people will change their minds even if this film is good. That's really what disappoints me, they are the ones getting all the attention with this film and yet they are not gonna change. People are almost always drawing attention to the vile hate in the lowest form like it represents every fan. I have a bit more hope that casual movie goers who are not glued to the net are approaching this film different. Been to alot of films in the past months were the film trailer has gotten a decent reception...also a few groans, but this was usually after the first trailer that had some pretty cringe worthy gags.

and yeah, I guess there is an animated film in the works. Not sure how that's gonna go. Sony wanted this Ghostsbuster expanded universe pretty much right off the bat. Hopefully they learned their lesson with Spidey and are taking a more cautious approach.