The New Ghostbusters - Part 9

[BoredGuy]

That is a pretty big discrepancy. Metacritic accounts for what the critic is actually saying rather than simply their selection of "fresh" or "rotten" right? And if I'm not mistaken, aren't they a bit more selective in terms of who can be a critic (limiting Blogosphere critics, for example)?

Yeah basically Metacritic is like Rotten Tomatoes' "Top Critic -Average Rating", not like the 'tomatometer'

 

[Valaquen]

Yeah, I don't get why that is controversial either. I mean, if the franchise is successfully rebooted it makes sense to use [blackout]Zuul and Gozer[/blackout] at some point. I mean, wouldn't not doing so be like rebooting Batman and never using Joker?

Personally:

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it's annoying that they're potentially using multiple films to tell a story that the original told in one movie. Say what you want about GB2, but it had a scary villain all of its own. If they're going to reboot stuff like GB (where there's nothing analogous to the Batman/Joker relationship) then I'd encourage them to make new, unique supernatural villains rather than reheating Zuul.

 

[ernesth100]

Well it seems this movie defied expectations.

 

[Kyle]

Ghostbusters isn't Batman. There's a lot of room for more original villains. It's like why re use khan to flip the Wrath of Khan script literally? For several movies in. Okay. But this soon? They have an original villain by the sounds of it here. I don't see a reason why they can't continue that. Many would be very upset if it's announced Green Goblin is the villain in on of the next two at least Spider-Man films.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Stupid Hollywood Report review spoiled so much of the movie for me.

 

[SuperBatman]

If this Franchise continues I wouldn't mind if

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Gozyer or Zuul is apart of it.

I always thought though that the Animated Series had some pretty cool ghosts that the Movie Universe could've touched upon mosttly the Sandman or maybe even Sam Hain.

 

[Kyle]

If this Franchise continues I wouldn't mind if

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Gozyer or Zuul is apart of it.

I always thought though that the Animated Series had some pretty cool ghosts that the Movie Universe could've touched upon mosttly the Sandman or maybe even Sam Hain.

Exactly. No problen in the future. Just feels too soon. Like we just saw that.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The challenge and question is can SONY do major damage control from the marketing with their reviews before Trek and Bourne arrive in theaters the following two weeks? If they can that would be impressive. If it's good, I'd want it to do good because they know where they want to go with the Ghostbusters franchise. The question though is, how much damage control can they do thanks to their excellent marketing team?

If this movie ends up relying on kids and women neither one of those will hurt it. Spy underperformed and still crossed 100 million.

 

[Kyle]

If this movie ends up relying on kids and women neither one of those will hurt it. Spy underperformed and still crossed 100 million.

100 million would be a death sentence for this film with it's budget.

Kids = Star Trek just as much as it would = Ghostbusters.

A 40-50 million opening for a movie that needs to reach 180 mil to just break even - isn't a good opening at all.

As said, SONY needs to do a serious game changing move now. Unsure what that marketing move would be this late in the game. It would need to be a hail mary kind of pass. Interested and excited to see what they can do

 

[WormyT]

https://youtu.be/0D3WZxYxWd8

Ghostbusters 2 is really bad...

I watched it recently. It wasn't as bad as I remembered. Some interesting ideas. But not good enough.

 

[WormyT]

Well it seems this movie defied expectations.

On Rottentomatoes maybe, but the box office and pop culture history is the true test.

 

[Kanon]

A 40-50 million opening for a movie that needs to reach 180 mil to just break even - isn't a good opening at all.

Isn't 150M-180M the budget? It needs to double that to break even (I'm guessing it needs north of 400M WW after P&A)

 

[JangoNate]

Isn't 150M-180M the budget? It needs to double that to break even (I'm guessing it needs north of 400M WW after P&A)

$140 million.

I'm really curious as to how it will do in places like Japan. Lot's of marketing over there.

I think $50 million will happen, at least. A lot of good buzz has been coming from advanced screenings and could bode well for word of mouth and legs.

Star Trek's not tracking to do much better. Many are still hurt by Into Darkness and the first trailer didn't instill much excitement. I have no idea with Bourne. The fourth underperformed but now we have Matt Damon back.

I think a lot is still up in the air. I wonder when we'll start getting numbers from the UK release?

 

[Wildcard]

On Rottentomatoes maybe, but the box office and pop culture history is the true test.

Exactly.

I'm not really a fan of Ghostbusters in general, but I've been keeping up with the talk for this movie & I think it'll be interesting to see whether it defies expectations to become an unequivocal hit or if it misses the mark exponentially.

 

[Kyle]

Isn't 150M-180M the budget? It needs to double that to break even (I'm guessing it needs north of 400M WW after P&A)

Wait never mind. Ready the Variety article wrong.

But the Sony movie’s sizable budget — a studio source says the figure is $144 million after rebates, while another source puts the before-rebate number at around $180 million — means that it will need strong multiples to turn a profit.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I don't think this will be a runaway hit, but it'll be a success. $50 million opening is good and I think WOM will carry it throughout July until Suicide Squad comes out, despite competition, even when stuff like Ice Age, Star Trek and Bourne will be coming out, all of which could underperform (with the possible exception of Bourne). I do really think families with especially kids (yes girls AND boys) will be driving this.

 

[Matt]

I don't think this will be a runaway hit, but it'll be a success. $50 million opening is good and I think WOM will carry it throughout July until Suicide Squad comes out, despite competition, even when stuff like Ice Age, Star Trek and Bourne will be coming out, all of which could underperform (with the possible exception of Bourne). I do really think families with especially kids (yes girls AND boys) will be driving this.

I'm not sure about that. I told my daughter to pick between this and Ice Age and she picked Ice Age hands down. People don't have limitless money to take their children to the theater and I think Ice Age will appeal to kids a lot more than this.

 

[Kanon]

Star Trek Beyond is tracking in social media WAY better than this.

 

[Xrated48]

I'm not sure about that. I told my daughter to pick between this and Ice Age and she picked Ice Age hands down. People don't have limitless money to take their children to the theater and I think Ice Age will appeal to kids a lot more than this.

Plus Secret Life of Pets are in their second week and Finding Dory is still continuing to make money.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'm not sure about that. I told my daughter to pick between this and Ice Age and she picked Ice Age hands down. People don't have limitless money to take their children to the theater and I think Ice Age will appeal to kids a lot more than this.

I don't think all the kids will be flooding opening weekend, but it'll be something that people will see over the next weeks, especially kids who may not have been as aware at first and then if WOM picks up, they'll want to see it. Plus, Ice Age just feels like it's on its last legs. It'll make a sum WW, but here, Ghostbusters is more fresh and if it's good. And Ghostbusters is so inherently appealing to kids.

Ghostbusters could even overperform this weekend given the brand familiarity.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

100 million would be a death sentence for this film with it's budget.

Kids = Star Trek just as much as it would = Ghostbusters.

A 40-50 million opening for a movie that needs to reach 180 mil to just break even - isn't a good opening at all.

As said, SONY needs to do a serious game changing move now. Unsure what that marketing move would be this late in the game. It would need to be a hail mary kind of pass. Interested and excited to see what they can do

I wasn't saying this would make 100 million.

Feig's movies up to this point seem to have very good legs. They open okay and this just keep up a steady pace. Even if it doesn't open large, it doesn't really tell us anything.

Fanboy/Nerd culture of "i have to see this opening weekend" isn't really Feig's type, but this is his first true summer blockbuster so who knows.

Kids don't care about Trek like that. Plus it's the third one in like six years.

 

[Matt]

I don't think all the kids will be flooding opening weekend, but it'll be something that people will see over the next weeks, especially kids who may not have been as aware at first and then if WOM picks up, they'll want to see it. Plus, Ice Age just feels like it's on its last legs. It'll make a sum WW, but here, Ghostbusters is more fresh and if it's good. And Ghostbusters is so inherently appealing to kids.

Ghostbusters could even overperform this weekend given the brand familiarity.

Well that is spoken like someone who doesn't have a child. Ice Age was on its last legs after the first movie. Do you know how many ****s kids give? Zero. If the squirrel gets hurt trying to get the acorn, they will be front and center cracking up. Children aren't looking for a lasting narrative and they certainly never get sick of the same damn joke. They aren't looking for something fresh. Children like familiarity.

Further, word of mouth means nothing to youngsters. A 6 year old isn't jumping on the Internet message boards and texting their friends about how great Ghostbusters is. Word of mouth is more of an adult factor.

 

[Wildcard]

^ Exactly, and people vastly under-estimate the value of the child audience. What they like and want to see means a huge deal, especially when it influences what the parent will pay for at the theater.

 

[Wheels]

I think people vastly underestimate kids in general. That's why we get the "Who cares?" mentality from some creators but that's another discussion.

 

[Victarion]

I don't think this will be a runaway hit, but it'll be a success. $50 million opening is good and I think WOM will carry it throughout July until Suicide Squad comes out, despite competition, even when stuff like Ice Age, Star Trek and Bourne will be coming out, all of which could underperform (with the possible exception of Bourne). I do really think families with especially kids (yes girls AND boys) will be driving this.

Is Ice Age competition? I didn't know those movies were still popular. I figured Pixar had cornered the market on kid's animation, but its not a genre of film I pay all that much attention to, so it could be some good non Pixar stuff slipped my radar.