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The next big step in gaming evolution

Isildur´s Heir

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Gaming evolution was always on Nintendo´s shoulders, from the D-Pad to the Analogue Stick, from Rumble to Motion Control.
Then, it was Microsoft, that brought system evolution, from Xbox Live to Gamertags, from XBLA to Achievements.
As for Sony, maybe that´s my problem, but i can´t really see anything they ever brought to the table, besides the inclusion of two analogue sticks insted of one.

So, what is in store for the future?
Because we are not done yet, video games are still evolving...
3D? 4D? Virtual Reality? Holograms? Holodeck?....
 
I could see 3D or 4D I guess happening where things pop out at you on screen. It could work with horror based games or even action games who knows.
 
Nah, I think 3D or 4D is considered failed territroy after the virtual boy tanked.

Although, the virtual boy was all red. Why...I'll never understand.

I think Sega may have been the starter for the online play with the Dreamcast...but Microsoft has taking it to a whole different level, clearly.

Motion controls could be the next big deal, if Sony and Microsoft try to swap it from Nintendo. Might not be easy, since that is all Nintendo's right now I think.
 
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As for Sony, maybe that´s my problem, but i can´t really see anything they ever brought to the table, besides the inclusion of two analogue sticks insted of one.

Well, they made not have made any innovations related to controls and online play, but Sony created the PS1 and pretty much opened the door that Nintendo more then seem content to shut. Sony brought a mindset that games could be more than simple, fun entertainment. Without them franchises like Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Metal Gear Solid and probably multiple others wouldn't exist as we know them today or even exist at all. They really freed up the market and I believe that's it's no stretch to say gaming as we know it today would most likely not exist without Sony or, at the very least, console gaming.

It's true they never changed how you played games, but they were very influential towards what gaming became, and it going as mainstream as it did. So I think that definitely counts as being part of a type of gaming evolution

Anyway, looks like the evolution of gaming is this motion stuff, which will inevitably lead to VR-like gaming. I won't be involved in it myself, but I think it's obviously where gaming is going
 
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I agree with you that Sony made gaming mainstream, that´s a given, no one can say otherwise; but they did nothing the PC would not make.
The thing is, they brought that PC like mindset to consoles.
They did it, kudos for them for it, but no one can say that another console wouldn´t also make it sooner or later.
Don´t think that Capcom or Kojima would not have made RE and MGS if not for the PS1, more even when the MG franchise started in the MSX, probably those games would have gone for the PC.
Besides, and i´m not saying this to take away any merit from Sony, but the Playstation was born after the 16bits era, which makes it the US after WWII.
Just like the US, after the WWII, could prosper and be what they are now without any "competition" because Europe and big part of the world was half-destroyed and had to rebuilt; the same goes to Sony, where everyone was dead of half-dead because of the CD (the only one that survived and prospered a lot with it was the PC).
Sega was dead (they just didn´t knew it) and Nintendo had to rethink they strategy; Sony had an open field, no real competition (and that same happend last gen).
But, enough of that, i take my hat to Sony and their importance to video games.

Anyway, looks like the evolution of gaming is this motion stuff, which will inevitably lead to VR-like gaming. I won't be involved in it myself, but I think it's obviously where gaming is going
And where is it going ?
 
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I agree with you that Sony made gaming mainstream, that´s a given, no one can say otherwise; but they did nothing the PC would not make.
The thing is, they brought that PC like mindset to consoles.
They did it, kudos for them for it, but no one can say that another console wouldn´t also make it sooner or later.

That's just a cheap way of trying to take credit from someone. Sure, if Stanley Kubrick hadn't created 2001 and brought a new light on Science Fiction cinema someone else would have, but Kubrick still did it.

They didn't just bring the PC mindset to console gaming, though. They took the games out of the kids and nerd/geek rooms exclusively and brought it into mainstream soceity. Way more then you're making out that they did. You can try to explain it away by saying someone would have done it eventually, but you can explain away basically any accomplishment for anyone that way.

Don´t think that Capcom or Kojima would not have made RE and MGS if not for the PS1, more even when the MG franchise started in the MSX, probably those games would have gone for the PC.

Once again, this is just another 'What If' Scenario. You could easily say downsize MS's online accomplishes by just saying, 'Well, it would have been done by someone eventually'.

Though, as far as MG goes, Kojima himself said the series was basically dead until the PS1 came around. So that's one franchise that probably wouldn't have made it.

Besides, and i´m not saying this to take away any merit from Sony, but the Playstation was born after the 16bits era, which makes it the US after WWII.
Just like the US, after the WWII, could prosper and be what they are now without any "competition" because Europe and big part of the world was half-destroyed and had to rebuilt; the same goes to Sony, where everyone was dead of half-dead because of the CD (the only one that survived and prospered a lot with it was the PC).
Sega was dead (they just didn´t knew it) and Nintendo had to rethink they strategy; Sony had an open field, no real competition (and that same happend last gen).
But, enough of that, i take my hat to Sony and their importance to video games.

Ok, I think I get what you're saying with your analogy, but this one is fairly inaccurate. The US did have competition after WWII, pretty significant competition, in fact, with the Soviet Union.



And where is it going ?

To **** as far as I'm concerned with all this motion stuff
 
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That's just a cheap way of trying to take credit from someone. Sure, if Stanley Kubrick hadn't created 2001 and brought a new light on Science Fiction cinema someone else would have, but Kubrick still did it.
OK, you can say that, and i have to agree with you that it does give to notion that i´m trying to take away Sony merit, but that´s not the case.
The reason why i say that another console would have make that is because that mindset already existed...on the PC, all it took was to put it into consoles.

They didn't just bring the PC mindset to console gaming, though. They took the games out of the kids and nerd/geek rooms exclusively and brought it into mainstream soceity. Way more then you're making out that they did. You can try to explain it away by saying someone would have done it eventually, but you can explain away basically any accomplishment for anyone that way.
Sure, and like i say, the Playstation was very important on a business perspective, but, imo, in a gaming one....not so much, because they never brought anything new to the table, more even this gen when all they do is make the same thing that the other guy did (PSN-Live, Sixaxis-motion control, PSN Games-XBLA, Trophies-achievements,...).
And before you say they have great games, yes, they do, but that´s not what i´m talking about.
In 3 generations, this is the first one were they have any real competition, and they don´t have the edge they had anymore, because of the reasons i stated above.

Though, as far as MG goes, Kojima himself said the series was basically dead until the PS1 came around. So that's one franchise that probably wouldn't have made it.
Ok, i give you that one.
But that´s the same thing as the blu-ray.
It´s logical that many developers (and i´m not talking about Kojima now), wanted to make games for CD, has it had much more capacity than cartridge.


Ok, I think I get what you're saying with your analogy, but this one is fairly inaccurate. The US did have competition after WWII, pretty significant competition, in fact, with the Soviet Union.
No, it´s not.
I forgot about the Soviet Union, but because we are talking about gaming, it´s not fairly inaccurate.

To **** as far as I'm concerned with all this motion stuff
And if my guess is right in any way, it might go even way down the crapper as far as you might be concerned.
My call is that, after the MS full body motion (if that works as good as it sounds), the next step is 3D gaming.
During that same period, 4D (touch leather, feel the weight of a gun in your hands, smell the napalm, taste the salt water, ...) might appear (it´s been worked for a very long time now).
Also, at that same time, there will the wanting to make 3D without the glasses (don´t know if that´s possible).
If all that goes like i say, and because the MS full body motion will be a half-virtual reality kind of thing, there will be a "total" Virtual Reality.
If 3D without glasses ever work, holograms are just a little step further (basically, that´s what an hologram is).
Next step is to blend the hologram with 4D (to touch and interact with the hologram) and, if that´s possible, say welcome to the holodeck.
 
I am no Sony fan, but I would say that The Playstation brought 3D graphics in a cool package to homes that was also cheap.It helped them beat the Saturn and N64, but that's a lesson they forgot, though. It was roughly the time when home consoles started catching up with arcades, and signified the begining of the end for arcades and arcade like gameplay.

As for the next revolution, I can't honestly say Sony and Microsoft seek ever integrated interaction and shopping, wich allowed Nintendo to focus on peripheral interaction. I'm guessing Sony and Microsoft are gonna try to get moreinto the "casual gamer" market. Somehow.
 
I'm guessing Sony and Microsoft are gonna try to get moreinto the "casual gamer" market. Somehow.
As long as neither one loses their identity in the process.
I´m cool with 10 casual games from Microsoft and Sony, as long as they give us 20 hardcore ones.
 
I agree that Microsoft should be given alot of credit by integrating online and the console experience as one and the same, it was really Sega that pioneered it with the Dreamcast.

In fact, it had the first MMO to ever hit a console.
 
I agree that Microsoft should be given alot of credit by integrating online and the console experience as one and the same, it was really Sega that pioneered it with the Dreamcast.

In fact, it had the first MMO to ever hit a console.

That's so true, people seem to have forgotten Sega's contribution towards console online gaming.
 
Personally I think 3D/VR is the future of gaming. But I think that in order for it to take off, Microsoft needs to share the 3DV technology or Sony and Nintendo come up with something very similar.
 
Personally I think 3D/VR is the future of gaming. But I think that in order for it to take off, Microsoft needs to share the 3DV technology or Sony and Nintendo come up with something very similar.

Wow, I guess the cynics were right. The future almost always sucks
 
That's so true, people seem to have forgotten Sega's contribution towards console online gaming.
I don´t, but the thing, it was a basic online sytem.
But it was made by Peter Moore, and Moore took it to Microsoft, so, in it´s soul, Live is a continuation of the Dreamcast online program.
 
Yes, but you were talking evolution of gaming. Online for consoles wasn't even an idea until Sega did it...so as good as MS made it, that point should rightly go to Sega.
 
Sure, kudos to them.
But because the same person (Peter Moore) that is responsible for it in the original console (Dreamcast) is the same as in the second console (xbox), i don´t see it as copy.
How can you copy yourself?
But yes, the Dreamcast was the 1st one to do it.
 
Isildur´s Heir;16948440 said:
Sure, kudos to them.
But because the same person (Peter Moore) that is responsible for it in the original console (Dreamcast) is the same as in the second console (xbox), i don´t see it as copy.
How can you copy yourself?
But yes, the Dreamcast was the 1st one to do it.

Who's saying it's a copy? It's just being said that Sega deserves the tip of the hat for pretty inventing it. People seem to have forgotten that

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Why?
Forget the VR and focus only on 3D.
3D is about perception, so, it can very well still be traditional gaming.

I was referring to the VR. 3D wouldn't be bad, just overall superficial and pointless, probably much like their movie counterparts
 
I would´t go as pointless and superficial.
That´s the same idea people might have had back in the 8bits era, and look at it now.
I still love 8bits games, but i prefer the graphics today.
 
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I would´t go as pointless and superficial.
That´s the same idea people might have had back in the 8bits era, and look at it now.
I still love 8bits games, but i prefer the graphics today.

We are talking 3-D as in putting on glasses and seeing the game pop out of you, correct? I don't think that's quite the same thing at all. I look at like movies have 3-D now, for the most part, they add nothing and most movies that are enjoyed that use 3D are just as enjoyable without. Graphics are nice too, but they're still pretty superficial in most aspects.
 
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Realtime ray-traced lighting is the next big step IMO. Compared to real life and pre-rendered CG, lighting in games still sucks.
 
I think really just more 100 grand graphics, and possibly Real-D, as opposed to those 3d games that would **** up your eyes...Virtual Boy, looking at you...

Hologram games would be awesome. Games that you could take with you where ever lol, futuristic ****.
 
We are talking 3-D as in putting on glasses and seeing the game pop out of you, correct? I don't think that's quite the same thing at all. I look at like movies have 3-D now, for the most part, they add nothing and most movies that are enjoyed that use 3D are just as enjoyable without. Graphics are nice too, but they're still pretty superficial in most aspects.
I see where your going and i agree, for the most part, they add nothing, and are as enjoyable with as without the 3D.
But, then again, i never played any 3D game (i know the last Sly Cooper as a 3D level, but i never played it), so, i´ll wait for Invincible Tiger The Legend of Han Tao on XBLA, for it will be in 3D (with the option to be played on 2D too).
But, as you know, gaming is not real 3D, but 3D in a 2D surface.
In theory, real 3D should be amazing...in theory
 

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