The Nightwing OYL Discussion Thread

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  1. sinewave Registered

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    Okay, I had to start this thread after reading the third issue of the OYL arc of Nightwing. Does anyone out there think this book anything other than horrible? It seems like the books are getting worse and worse as they go along. Bruce Jones and this Joe Dodd jackass are butchering this character and I'm getting pretty damn sick of it. Coming off IC I thought DC was going to start pushing Nightwing to the forefront and really making him one of their premier characters. Judd Winnick is doing a decent job of making him an interesting character and a competent team leader in Outsiders, but in his own book the poor guy is getting raped hard. First, they just ignore his engagement to Babs from the pre-OYL arc, then they throw him in NYC with that jackass Jason Todd following him around and trying to destroy his rep. Now they've turned Dick into a male model and did one of the stupidest things I've ever seen done to a character. They've had him walk out on a catwalk in his costume, basically outting him and potentially damaging his secret identity and those of his close compatriots like Bruce and Tim. Then, they have him duke it out with Jason Todd (not in costume) while in his fashion-ized Nightwing costume while people who know his identity are in the crowd. Then there's the art. It's compeletely inconsistent and disproportionate. Plus, the flow of it is utter shyte. This is such a slap in the face to all the fans that have followed Dick's carreer and loved the character all these years. I really don't want to drop this title since I've been reading it non-stop for years, but with every issue it's getting harder to resist that impulse. Anyone else feel the same way?
     
  2. Harlekin Business

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    :eek: Pretty please tell me that this isn't true. :( A male model!?
     
  3. GoldenAgeHero Registered

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    dropped it last issue.imnot picking up this book again, until a new crea....you know what **** it. im not that much of anightwing fan any way, i pulled the title to get interested in him but its not worth it.
     
  4. sinewave Registered

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    seriously. and there's so much buzz about nightwing in the papers that his girlfriend/employer designs a clothing line based on the nightwing costume and dresses him up in it and he actually goes along with it! :down
     
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    BS i scream
     
  6. Harlekin Business

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    Okay, last issue of this arc should just have Dick waking up and find Barbara in the shower.
     
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    ^^Yeah I am hoping for that as well.
    I don't mind Jason Todd, but that model thing. It is just so...."girlish".
    The story of Richard Grayson is to me one of the greatest hero stories ever. Give him a little dignity.
    And why isn't he in Bludhaven fighting for his city?
     
  8. Nightwing 52 Things change

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    The book has been off my list since the last issue as well. I thought it was going to be an enjoyable read like the other OYL titles, but obviously that didn't happen. Before OYL began, they ended Dick's life with a new beginning, that being his proposal to Barbara. Then mess it all up by making him sleep around with random woman whose names he doesn't know? That isn't the way to go with him, nor give the character the respect he deserves. I honestly want an explanation as to what happend, if not maybe 52 will be the book to explain it. I just don't want to see it forgotten about like that, since it was a new turning point that alot of fans wanted to see.

    I resent the idea that Dick has changed his costume by applying a utility belt to his waist, when clearly his gauntlets served as his own. It's one of the things that made him his own hero, along with adding a side pocket for his escrimas sticks when he used to put them on his back. I DON'T like that fact that they gave Jason his old look, and now we're expecting to see a female Nightwing? I'm not going to waste my time with it until the book starts to pick up again.
     
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    actually, in the latest issue he and jason are wearing the same identical costume. no utility belt or liefield-esque leg-belt. at least they got that right.

    on another related topic, it looks like the girl he slept with in the first issue of this arc and who is nonw his boss actually has some superpowers and apparently, at least according to the cover of issue #122, she don's nightwing's costume also. talk about a cluster-f**k! i'm wondering, with all the speculation on who the mysterious new "batwoman" is, and since she has red hair, could this new super**** that dick is banging be the new batwoman?
     
  10. Nightwing 52 Things change

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    Glad to hear that atleast changed.

    It was obvious that it was her on the cover, due to the fact that her hands glow the same way when it first showed she had a metahuman capability. Which, I can't believe they're doing cause this'll be the fourth Nightwing we have. Considering Powergirl will be calling herself the same name soon.

    Speaking of who the new Batwoman is, that's actually a good theory you have. But considering she appears in 52, it doesn't seem likely that it could be her. I mean the red hair is a factor of course, there's a slight chance it could be someone new or current to the comics with a wig or new dye. Or, like so many have speculated, Barbara could very well be walking again. Though she was shown in the Birds of Prey to still be in her wheelchair....
     
  11. sinewave Registered

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    who was in 52?
     
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    I've yet to pick up this weeks issue, but from what I've read in OYL, 120 is gonna be the last I buy because I enjoy the series, and 121 + is because I might as well.
     
  13. Nightwing 52 Things change

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    Batwoman, she appears for the first time in issue #11.
     
  14. sinewave Registered

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    really? hmmm.... i guess i'm wrong then.
     
  15. WOLVERINE25TH The Best There Is

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    Okay, must be somethin' wrong with me 'cause I've been enjoying Nightwing so far. Maybe it's 'cause I have no history with th' character, but I haven't been bothered. And th' male model stuff is just funny. Haven't read th' latest yet so can't comment on that "debacle".
     
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    let me put it this way, your a wolverine fan right? now imgaine some shnitty writer, writing wolverine as a sloppy character, he isnt the same character he use to be before now(he doesnt have that ruff edge to him,such as giving him a spiderman personality but gayer) now imgaine the writer turning him into a male model....see what were saying.
     
  17. WOLVERINE25TH The Best There Is

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    Oh, you mean every issue of Wolverine from 125 to HoM? Th' male model thing I find funny. Nice misunderstandin' touch there.
     
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    while the male model thing is annoying, especially considering that dick is an extremely intelligent and well-trained guy and wouldn't stoop to that level just a to make a few bucks, the part that really pisses me off the most is that the writer and editor(s) show so much disrespect for the character that they think he'd be so careless enough with his identity as to let some skank he slept with once or twice find out his secret identity so easily. plus, the fact that his nightwing persona is all over the newspapers in that town, he thinks that no one will notice that he looks exactly like nightwing while dressed up in basically his exact nightwing costume during the damn fashion show! also, he and jason duke it out in front of hundreds of people and the media during the fashion show and he just blows it off assuming that the audience will think it's part of the show, even though i've never seen a model who was basically a trained ninja and acrobat doing the things that nightwing is able to do. on top of that, he's fighting someone, jason, who's in street clothes and whose identity is somehow known in the fashion industry (????) and he's holding his own against nightwing and nobody puts two and two together that those two are the "twin nightwings" that are causing such a huge buzz in the city. that is just so offensive to the readers on so many levels. f**k! they better find a way to fix this s**t or i'm going to be seriously pissed at dc for a long time. bruce jones is officially my least favorite writer working today.
     
  19. WOLVERINE25TH The Best There Is

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    Fer th' record, I haven't read 120 yet so don't take anythin' I said as a defense of it. I'm sure i'd probably agree based on all I've just read.
     
  20. sinewave Registered

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    trust me, i'm not getting defensive over anything you've said. i'm just pissed to hell at the way they're f**king up one of my favorite characters.
     
  21. WOLVERINE25TH The Best There Is

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    Didn't say ya were, just wanted to clarify fer everyone before I got jumped on.
     
  22. Assassin Detroit's Reckoning

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    its okay for me, but then again i liked the last mob arc with ravager
     
  23. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    SO the general consensus is this book is pretty bad?
     
  24. Nightwing 52 Things change

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    It was alright.

    That's basically what this whole thread is about.
     
  25. sinewave Registered

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    nah, i was just kidding. it's actually the besy OYL comic out there.
     

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