The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 5

[Iceman]

Ruiz and Joshua rematch will be on Dec 7 in Saudi Arabia.

 

[InCali]

Ruiz and Joshua rematch will be on Dec 7 in Saudi Arabia.

I have a difficult time getting that interested in this fight. In fact, I'm not that interested in Lomo v Campbell. I've heard Campbell talking about how sure he is he's going to win and he SHOULD think that way, but when I watch tape, I just don't see it. Mikey v Lomo has my attention. Tank v Lomo has my attention, but for a very different reason. I don't think there are a lot of "headline" fighters in the 130-135 range who want any part of Lomo. They can get some paydays without tarnishing their marketability. Davis, while he always has a puncher's chance, needs to wait at least a couple of years before he's anywhere close to ready to deal with Lomo. In the meantime, he's not really helping himself progress. I saw a "WOW" fighter in Lomo's first pro fight and he's improved so much, it's crazy.

The difference is Lomo wants to knock the crap out of everyone and knows he can do it. I think the "headliner's" management teams don't want any part of him. It's better to make some money and keep the illusion that they are in Lomo's class rather than destroy it. Mikey is a maybe. Of course, this is boxing and you never, never know

 

[jolldan]

I have a difficult time getting that interested in this fight. In fact, I'm not that interested in Lomo v Campbell. I've heard Campbell talking about how sure he is he's going to win and he SHOULD think that way, but when I watch tape, I just don't see it. Mikey v Lomo has my attention. Tank v Lomo has my attention, but for a very different reason. I don't think there are a lot of "headline" fighters in the 130-135 range who want any part of Lomo. They can get some paydays without tarnishing their marketability. Davis, while he always has a puncher's chance, needs to wait at least a couple of years before he's anywhere close to ready to deal with Lomo. In the meantime, he's not really helping himself progress. I saw a "WOW" fighter in Lomo's first pro fight and he's improved so much, it's crazy.

The difference is Lomo wants to knock the crap out of everyone and knows he can do it. I think the "headliner's" management teams don't want any part of him. It's better to make some money and keep the illusion that they are in Lomo's class rather than destroy it. Mikey is a maybe. Of course, this is boxing and you never, never know

There's also the fact that you'd get more of an exciting atmosphere for a fight at a funeral parlour than in Saudi Arabia, the Khan fight that was there not long ago was awful it looked liked it was being held in the middle of a Casino while people were eating dinner.

 

[InCali]

There's also the fact that you'd get more of an exciting atmosphere for a fight at a funeral parlour than in Saudi Arabia, the Khan fight that was there not long ago was awful it looked liked it was being held in the middle of a Casino while people were eating dinner.

That's funny. Funeral Parlour. Hopefully they don't eat dinner at ringside. In any case, it's not a compelling match up in my eyes. Actually the one guy who interests me is Fury. He looks like the guy who can put a complete fight together if he really dedicates himself. Wilder could knock out a Water Buffalo if he hit it, but I could see him being completely dominated by a good fighter with a decent motor. The heavys just aren't looking that interesting IMO.

I was watching some tape of Lomo and he's got guys just looking to survive. That's not a recipe for winning a fight. Someone has to be able to go toe to toe with him in order to beat him (or maybe he runs into one of Tank's bombs). I don't think Campbell is that guy....ask Crolla.

 

[jolldan]

That's funny. Funeral Parlour. Hopefully they don't eat dinner at ringside. In any case, it's not a compelling match up in my eyes. Actually the one guy who interests me is Fury. He looks like the guy who can put a complete fight together if he really dedicates himself. Wilder could knock out a Water Buffalo if he hit it, but I could see him being completely dominated by a good fighter with a decent motor. The heavys just aren't looking that interesting IMO.

I was watching some tape of Lomo and he's got guys just looking to survive. That's not a recipe for winning a fight. Someone has to be able to go toe to toe with him in order to beat him (or maybe he runs into one of Tank's bombs). I don't think Campbell is that guy....ask Crolla.

I wouldn't be surprised if you see people with their faces in plates of food rather than watching the action. Its a shame because HW has taken a giant knock in the last couple months imo. Joshua knocked out, Miller popped and Whyte popped.

No i'd agree I don't see Campbell having what it takes to beat him, I think he lasts longer that Crolla did though. Luke was unlucky in his fight with Linares who's a common opponent for them both.

 

[InCali]

I wouldn't be surprised if you see people with their faces in plates of food rather than watching the action. Its a shame because HW has taken a giant knock in the last couple months imo. Joshua knocked out, Miller popped and Whyte popped.

No i'd agree I don't see Campbell having what it takes to beat him, I think he lasts longer that Crolla did though. Luke was unlucky in his fight with Linares who's a common opponent for them both.

Linares is a very talented fighter and for Campbell to have that close of a fight with him speaks volumes. Lomachenko didn't quite look like himself in the Linares fight and, at the time, I thought he maybe hurt his right hand. Only later did I find out he had a shoulder injury requiring surgery. That left to Linare's liver though.....that was flat out nasty. Fighting anyone of that caliber with an injury, while it shouldn't be an excuse, makes a tough job even tougher. At this point, an injury is Lomo's opponents best chance for a victory. Crolla just got worked. He was never close to being in that fight and I don't know that it should ever even have happened.

 

[jolldan]

Campbell did a lot better than I expected him to, still think you can give him 4 rounds at most, Loma is just something else.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, I didn't think he'd have a chance.

 

[InCali]

Campbell did a lot better than I expected him to, still think you can give him 4 rounds at most, Loma is just something else.

I didn't catch the fight, but here's what I do know. Lomo will lose maybe 2 or 3 rounds early in a fight if he's up against a really good boxer while he's going through his feeling out process, but, if you're going to beat him, you had better have a substantial lead going into the second half of a fight because he is absolutely relentless and has a motor that just doesn't stop. The judges only gave Campbell a round or two, but if a round is close, it's generally going to go to the champ. I just don't see anybody coming close to beating him at 135. Maybe Mikey if he dropped down in weight (that is if he still can). Once you move up, going back down generally seems to be rather difficult. I suppose you move up in weight for a reason and, generally, it's because it's tough to make the weight. That may not be the case with Mikey. I'm not sure. One thing IS for sure. Lomo is a small lightweight and I think he can easily make the 130 limit. He's absolutely unbeatable at that weight unless maybe Davis gets lucky and lands a bomb.

I'll catch the fight at some point, but what I expect to see is Campbell having a good round or two early in the fight while Lomo is figuring him out. About round 6 or so, I expect to see Lomo moving in, getting really busy and just taking over. He is very underrated as a puncher. He may not be the best one punch knockout guy (though if he catches you, you're going down), but is relentless to the body and will really, really hurt you with his body shots from either hand. Ask Linares.

When I watch him fight, he simply looks like one of the (and maybe THE) best I've ever seen. I've watched replays of some of his fights just watching his feet and that's how he gets you. I don't know that I've ever seen footwork that good. He's completely unpredictable.

 

[jolldan]

I didn't catch the fight, but here's what I do know. Lomo will lose maybe 2 or 3 rounds early in a fight if he's up against a really good boxer while he's going through his feeling out process, but, if you're going to beat him, you had better have a substantial lead going into the second half of a fight because he is absolutely relentless and has a motor that just doesn't stop. The judges only gave Campbell a round or two, but if a round is close, it's generally going to go to the champ. I just don't see anybody coming close to beating him at 135. Maybe Mikey if he dropped down in weight (that is if he still can). Once you move up, going back down generally seems to be rather difficult. I suppose you move up in weight for a reason and, generally, it's because it's tough to make the weight. That may not be the case with Mikey. I'm not sure. One thing IS for sure. Lomo is a small lightweight and I think he can easily make the 130 limit. He's absolutely unbeatable at that weight unless maybe Davis gets lucky and lands a bomb.

I'll catch the fight at some point, but what I expect to see is Campbell having a good round or two early in the fight while Lomo is figuring him out. About round 6 or so, I expect to see Lomo moving in, getting really busy and just taking over. He is very underrated as a puncher. He may not be the best one punch knockout guy (though if he catches you, you're going down), but is relentless to the body and will really, really hurt you with his body shots from either hand. Ask Linares.

When I watch him fight, he simply looks like one of the (and maybe THE) best I've ever seen. I've watched replays of some of his fights just watching his feet and that's how he gets you. I don't know that I've ever seen footwork that good. He's completely unpredictable.

Yeah if anything I think Loma just had took those two rounds to adjust to Campbell's size & reach advantage.

The longer the fight did go the more he did look like he was outclassing him. Reckon if it had been an old school 15 rounder he might have put him away.

 

[InCali]

Yeah if anything I think Loma just had took those two rounds to adjust to Campbell's size & reach advantage.

The longer the fight did go the more he did look like he was outclassing him. Reckon if it had been an old school 15 rounder he might have put him away.

The scary thing is that if this guy really fought Linares to about a draw, he's damn good. I haven't seen him fight so I'm not familiar with him, but I just have a hard time seeing someone outpointing Lomo. He just comes at you from so many angles and there's no pattern in what he does. If you're opposite him, you have to be prepared for anything all the time. I can't tell you how hard that is to defend against. Most people have something of a pattern, but not this guy.

EDIT: If Davis is going to fight him, he better wait 2 or 3 years to do it. I doubt Davis' people have any interest in that fight at this point in time.

 

[Doc Samson]

He's absolutely unbeatable at that weight unless maybe Davis gets lucky and lands a bomb.

I don't think Tank would need to get "lucky" at all, Loma gets hit. A lot. He just hasn't been in there with someone who's hand (and foot) speed is on a similar level, with enough power to hurt him as well.

Davis fits that bill, and he hits with a helluva lot more bad intentions than anybody I've seen Loma in there with.

EDIT: If Davis is going to fight him, he better wait 2 or 3 years to do it. I doubt Davis' people have any interest in that fight at this point in time.

This is the main issue. And I have to take Floyd to task on this, because he's essentially trying to handle Davis as if he's already a household name and he's not. This is the only fight that will raise his profile, even if he lost a competitive match...

 

[InCali]

I don't think Tank would need to get "lucky" at all, Loma gets hit. A lot. He just hasn't been in there with someone who's hand (and foot) speed is on a similar level, with enough power to hurt him as well.

Davis fits that bill, and he hits with a helluva lot more bad intentions than anybody I've seen Loma in there with.



This is the main issue. And I have to take Floyd to task on this, because he's essentially trying to handle Davis as if he's already a household name and he's not. This is the only fight that will raise his profile, even if he lost a competitive match...

"Lucky" might well be overstating it because as you say, he does get hit and Davis really can hit. When you are as aggressive as Lomo, you are going to take some shots. He's pretty good at avoiding getting hit given all of that. He might well get tagged by Davis and if he gets tagged right, he could get knocked out.

On the other hand, Davis hasn't gotten in with anyone within miles of Lomo as far as skill level and I figure he gets schooled; if he ever takes the fight. I don't really see a competitive match happening and I don't think Davis would be able to keep up the pace Lomo sets. If Davis gets a couple of knockdowns and avoids the same (the latter is doubtful IMO), then maybe the fight could be "fairly" close.

To Lomo's credit, he at least is willing to fight the best there is out there and the level of competition both have faced isn't comparable. You don't see Lomo or his camp ducking people. Floyd wants to play the same game he played when he was fighting and "usually" he either got to someone early in their career or waited until their skills started to erode. Floyd, however, was his own best promoter and he could get away with it.

 

[InCali]

Lomachenko risks failing to seal his legacy unless he finds a serious rival, warns Ricky Hatton

I think Hatton has taken too many blows to the head.

To paraphrase "You're so much better than everyone else that you aren't going to be considered to be one of the best unless you cement your legacy by barely beating someone more average like I was; y'know someone who shouldn't be carrying your gym socks."

When Muhammad Ali was asked whether or not he could take a shot, his response was "I don't want to find out". The bottom line is that if you outclass everyone, you're one of the very, very best. I liked Hatton, but, really, he wasn't an elite talent anywhere close to someone like Lomo. Just because you barely beat someone and are in a fight where you both knock the crap out of each other doesn't make you a great fighter.

 

[InCali]

Just had a chance to watch a replay of Lomo v Campbell. Here's my take.

Campbell is a nice fighter. He's tough and he doesn't fight to survive like others I've seen. His length will give people trouble. He isn't particularly quick with his punches (especially the jab) and he's rather predictable. He throws the right to set up the left either over or under. That's really about it. I think he needs to throw that jab with a little more intent. He really just used it as more of a distraction rather than a weapon. A good, hard jab is a very valuable asset. By the end of the 8th, he was pretty much gassed. He sort of took the 9th off, but didn't have a lot left in the tank. That, however, didn't stop him from pushing. He'll beat a lot of fighters.

I read that both fighters were tired after the 8th, but didn't really see that in Lomo. He stayed active. By the end of the 3rd round, he knew exactly what he wanted to do and I didn't give Campbell a round from then on. Maybe 1 or 2 during the first 3.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just had a chance to watch a replay of Lomo v Campbell. Here's my take.

Campbell is a nice fighter. He's tough and he doesn't fight to survive like others I've seen. His length will give people trouble. He isn't particularly quick with his punches (especially the jab) and he's rather predictable. He throws the right to set up the left either over or under. That's really about it. I think he needs to throw that jab with a little more intent. He really just used it as more of a distraction rather than a weapon. A good, hard jab is a very valuable asset. By the end of the 8th, he was pretty much gassed. He sort of took the 9th off, but didn't have a lot left in the tank. That, however, didn't stop him from pushing. He'll beat a lot of fighters.

I read that both fighters were tired after the 8th, but didn't really see that in Lomo. He stayed active. By the end of the 3rd round, he knew exactly what he wanted to do and I didn't give Campbell a round from then on. Maybe 1 or 2 during the first 3.

Thank you. Lomo did get a bit tired, but he was fighting a much bigger fighter, who he basically one all but one exchange against. I have seen some of the British commentary, and you'd think Campbell was Rocky and Lomo was Apollo hanging on. He outlanded him, he was landing the much better punches and he put the much bigger man on his butt.

 

[InCali]

Thank you. Lomo did get a bit tired, but he was fighting a much bigger fighter, who he basically one all but one exchange against. I have seen some of the British commentary, and you'd think Campbell was Rocky and Lomo was Apollo hanging on. He outlanded him, he was landing the much better punches and he put the much bigger man on his butt.

Yeah. Just looking at them made you realize the size difference. Lomo is really a feather or, at most, jr light. I don’t think he’d have too much trouble tipping in at 126. They used to weigh in day of. I’ve gone back and forth on whether or not I think that is a good idea. Arguments can be made either way. Better the way it is now for fighter safety I suppose.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So Fury wins, when everyone refuses to stop the fight when his opponent opened a third eye on Fury's face. That is utter ****.

 

[HammerDown]

Tyson Fury won fairly. Simple as that, he was the better man and totally deserved the win.

Having said that Otto Wallin is no push over and he showed he was there to put up a fight and honor the passing of his father. When you have that much to fight for and want prove so many people wrong you just become so much stronger mentally and it reflects on how well you perform. OW got a good punch in early on which opened up that wound in TF's eye, but then he also did some nasty stuff like poking the wound while they where being separated... He focused almost 100% in opening up that wound and get the fight stopped by any means necessary.

Tyson Fury on the other hand got a much stronger opponent than he had previously anticipated. The cut really changed the landscape of the fight and TF struggled to see well and be 100% focused on the job at hand, he still managed to, for the most part, overwhelm OW and get the well deserved win.

By the end of the fight they both look in really bad shape. TF's eye cut looked horrible and OW had his face all swollen and bruised up. What a fight is was, hats off to both fighter for hanging in there despite all the punishment.

 

[Iceman]

The big guns have looked vulnerable against other boxers. This should be a reminder that you can lose at any time in this sport and hopefully also be a prompt to take the big fights while the ultimate paydays are still available.

 

[B]

So Fury wins, when everyone refuses to stop the fight when his opponent opened a third eye on Fury's face. That is utter ****.

I'm glad the fight wasn't stopped, would have been bull****. It might have looked nasty but if the fighter is happy, doctor & the cutman is managing it well then there's no need to stop the fight.

The only way I'd be with you with that sort of cut being stoppage worthy, would be if it had been leaking an obscene amount of blood, which it wasn't IMO, cutman did a good job restricting Fury's impairment.

 

[HammerDown]

Looking at Tyson Fury's performance i would like to highlight 3 things. 2 positive and 1 negative.

- The heart and determination to be able to fight 9 rounds with a massive injury which impaired his vision.
- The way he used different weapons in his arsenal. Mainly the several uppercuts and damaging body shots he landed on OW which proved to be effective.

- The way TF once again in the last round found himself in trouble. This is a recurring issue, i saw it with Klitschko, Wilder and now the Wallin fight. In this particular case against Wallin i think it also had to do with the amount of energy he exerted between the 9th and 11th round where he was unleashing on OW. In the 12th TF looked gassed out.

 

[JimThompson]

Great fight! Fury deserved to win it, but Wallin showed up!

Saw some people complaining the fight should have been stopped. Seems like a lot of whining cause their guy did not win.

 

[Iceman]

Is Wallin anyone’s guy? Didn’t think anyone had heard of him lol. He did well though, better than I expected.

 

[InCali]

I didn't see the fight. The reason to stop a fight on cuts is for the fighter's safety. You might stop a fight for a lesser cut depending on where it is. If it is clearly impairing vision, for example, the the fighter is getting picked apart, and hit because s/he can't see, by all means, stop it. Sometimes, things look gory, but aren't a danger to the fighter. I can't really speak to this (these) particular cut(s). Generally speaking, in a fight of this magnitude, they are a little bit slow to stop the fight. If your corner is managing it, you tend to get a little more slack.

If Fury's ability to defend himself was compromised and he was getting the snot knocked out of him, then stop it.

A note from an above post, Fury does seem to get tagged late in fights. Frankly, he's the best boxer I've seen in the heavys, but you've got to be able to stay away from the bombs late in the fight and be smart. IMO, if Fury had played his cards right, he beats Wilder.