Civil War The Official Captain America: Civil War News & Speculation Thread - Part 1

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[Spider-Fan]

Well guys, after requesting numerous times, they finally made our Cap 3 forum!!!! Let's celebrate and discuss this highly anticipated sequel, which will see the return of Chris Evans in the role of Steve Rogers, The Russos in the director's chair, and the same writing team!

I know I'm excited! Gonna be hard to top TWS, but I am excited to see what the Russos do next

 

[JOE]

Civil War has to be Avengers 3. There needs to be some buildup.

 

[TalismanRing]

That's why Cap 3 CAN'T be Civil war. I can see Thor 3 as the Ragnarok in Asgard storyline and returning just in time for Avengers 3.
Cap 3 would have to be a hunt for Bucky and something that leads to the Registration act

I think it can be but as an adaptation and a streamlining of it. They did that with Winter Soldier - no Red Skull or cosmic intervention while augmenting it The Hydra as Shield main story. They did it with Extremis and The Mandarin in IM3 (hey, I loved it) and are doing it with Age of Ultron and Ant-Man.

Some things done in CW not only can't be done on screen but shouldn't since they were out of character and near character destroying. CW had some great ideas in the comics but execution was uneven and often just bad. Those actions by Tony are two that shouldn't be on screen and are also things that almost ruined his charatcer. The success of the film character is what really saved him in the comics so why repeat those mistakes? There's a way to do the CW in shades of grey - like the Steve/Fury conversation at the start of TWS (freedom vs security) without making one side villainous.

Civil War has to be Avengers 3. There needs to be some buildup.

I think the foundation will be lain in AOU. The rumors are that Evans won't be in Avengers 3 - so having the main arc playing one of the two main protagonists wouldn't make any sense. The fallout of CW playing out yes, but the main arc without Steve?

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I still don't see how Civil War works as a reaction to Age of Ultron.

Let's say the rumors are right, Tony retires after what Ultron does & Cap leads a new Avengers team.

Tony is taking responsibility for his actions by retiring and likely devoting resources to the country Ultron destroyed.

The government could do a resignation thing but Tony wouldn't get involved. Tony doesn't trust the government. Also I doubt Tony would force his teammates to be a part of this. Tony knows Ultron is his fault and wouldn't force the Avengers to be punished for his actions.

Maybe the government has dirt on Stark and forces him to be involved but that's the only way.

Also Tony going after Bucky doesn't make sense. YES Bucky killed his parents but Bucky was brainwashed. He didn't know what he was doing or who it was for. It's like Stark not knowing his company is selling arms to terrorists. If Cap tells him that I'm sure Tony would understand. This isn't like Joe Chill who willing killed the Wayne's or Zod/Brainiac who willing killed Supers dad and or planet in some takes.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Tony can retire as Iron Man... Only to BECOME the authority as head of SHIELD at the end of or as a consequence of AoU. HE's anti-EVERBODY ELSE's authority.

 

[falconcrest87]

I still don't see how Civil War works as a reaction to Age of Ultron.

Let's say the rumors are right, Tony retires after what Ultron does & Cap leads a new Avengers team.

Tony is taking responsibility for his actions by retiring and likely devoting resources to the country Ultron destroyed.

The government could do a resignation thing but Tony wouldn't get involved. Tony doesn't trust the government. Also I doubt Tony would force his teammates to be a part of this. Tony knows Ultron is his fault and wouldn't force the Avengers to be punished for his actions.

Maybe the government has dirt on Stark and forces him to be involved but that's the only way.

Also Tony going after Bucky doesn't make sense. YES Bucky killed his parents but Bucky was brainwashed. He didn't know what he was doing or who it was for. It's like Stark not knowing his company is selling arms to terrorists. If Cap tells him that I'm sure Tony would understand. This isn't like Joe Chill who willing killed the Wayne's or Zod/Brainiac who willing killed Supers dad and or planet in some takes.

Thank you! Why the hell would Tony Stark, a pro business libertarian at best, want the government all up in his superhero thing? That's kinda the point of the MCU: A healthy mistrust of the government is kinda beneficial to everyone's well being.

However, there is no real way I can't see Stark going after the Winter Soldier. Yes, Bucky was brainwashed into killing Ma and Pa Stark. Tony doesn't know that. At least not yet. Nor could one say that Tony wouldn't be hurt by that enough to get revenge even though Bucky was under duress.

Not to mention, the Winter Soldier is kinda a menace to the public's safety. As we learned in CA2, collateral damage is not something he uncomfortable with. Now imagine if he was going after Hydra for what they did to him. You think he won't take something or someone down with Hydra? And Tony won't try to stop him?

I think CA3 will be about Steve trying to find Bucky before Tony or the government does.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Why would Stark suddenly get into bed with authorities (movie Stark mind you, comic Stark has had deep connections to government AND as a character was praised as such by many Conservative/Libertarians during his first ten to 15 years as a character.)? I don't know... Could it be people have experiences that change their perspective on things? The SOUTH PARK guys are Libertarian to the max but boy, they sur do appreciate government involvement when they get death threats from crazies for various things they have lampooned.

And again, we all hate the "authorities" until we are the authority.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Will Captain America and Bucky fight each other in this?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

They'll probably have confrontation but who knows??

 

[Dark Raven]

If Rocket Raccoon or Starlord had already become as big as Iron Man right now, would Marvel ever have considered doing Civil War as a movie with Cap vs Rocket?

 

[Lilbaz]

If Rocket Raccoon or Starlord had already become as big as Iron Man right now, would Marvel ever have considered doing Civil War as a movie with Cap vs Rocket?

They are saving this for Guardians of the Galaxy 4. Groot and Rocket start a movement for equal rights for plants and animals on earth. Opposing them is Doc Strange cause he really like steaks and needs a lot of herbs for his spells.

 

[TalismanRing]

If Rocket Raccoon or Starlord had already become as big as Iron Man right now, would Marvel ever have considered doing Civil War as a movie with Cap vs Rocket?

WS v Rocket after he tries to steal his arm.

 

[Heretic]

WS v Rocket after he tries to steal his arm.

RIP Deathlok

 

[CrypticOne]

Civil War has to be Avengers 3. There needs to be some buildup.

An Avengers movie subtitled Civil War, wouldn't make sense. Its better for CA to be called that. I'd rather it happen in CA3 and then Cap returns in the middle of Avengers 3 for the Infinity Gauntlet.

 

[Doc Ock]

Yeah I'd rather have a Cap film be about Civil War than an Avengers film, get it over with and move on.

 

[Heretic]

Once you get a true "war" then its no longer a Cap film. If it ended up being something like Iron Man and Hawkeye vs Cap and Falcon...thats a rather underwhelming "war."

 

[Heretic]

Given that I really, really doubt that Cap 3 is Civil War, here are my current thoughts about what we may see in this movie...

Obviously a major plotline will be a new version of Red Menace. I don't see how that is avoidable. However, the cosmic cube is not in play, so that can't be used to bring back Red Skull in the body of the CEO of Roxxon Oil. Also, I see no reason to involve Sin unless Red Skull comes back.

So...we have Crossbones doing SOMETHING...and The Winter Soldier out there looking for revenge or whatever...and Sharon Carter being involved (remember, she played an important role at the end of Civil War), and Cap possibly even traveling to Europe to get some help from friends (but instead of Union Jack, finding Hawkeye or Fury...at least I THINK they are both currently in Europe in the films). Maybe Cap is actively assembling a team of heroes for his own Secret Avengers or something because of the mess Stark made in Avengers 2??? Or maybe he's just trying to save Sharon.

Speaking of Stark...he could be the target, taking the place of the head of Roxxon...but that makes no sense. Instead, it is more likely that he will be looking for Bucky to get revenge on the fact that Bucky killed his parents. He wants him dead, while Cap knows that Bucky can be redeemed. Maybe the news is what drives Stark to side with whatever puts him against Cap in the eventual Civil War?

Speaking of brainwashing...maybe Bucky is looking for revenge on those who victimized him? My preferred thought right now is that Dr Faustus brainwashed him...since Agents of SHIELD is his methods to brainwash people on the show (and everything is connected). How would Faustus still be alive? I don't know...maybe he has lengthened his life (like Daniel Whitehall on A0S). That could involve Baron Zemo. Or maybe Zemo is just given the role of the guy Bucky wants revenge against. In these cases, Crossbones would still be with Hydra, protecting Zemo or Faustus (or both) from Bucky, who is being hunted by Stark while Cao is trying to recruit him for his team.

Before you crap on the idea of Dr Faustus/brainwashing...remember...we are heading for Civil War...and Sharon Carter is in play...soooo...this would imply that she is getting brainwashed. So...my guess is that he'll be there by namedrop/method if not actually there in person. They likely need someone with a long lifespan (since Bucky was manipulated years ago), so Zemo may take his role.

On the other hand...the Time Gem is out there. I refuse to believe there will be actual time travel...but maybe it could somehow affect time...maybe bringing Red Skull into the present (since the cosmic cube is no longer in play to do it). I would not want this, as I always side with "dead means dead."

Anyway...so yeah...given where we are headed, I'm really on the side of Sharon getting captured/brainwashed by Hydra, Bucky looking for revenge for getting brainwashed, Crossbones as a heavy protecting the villain, Stark looking to get Bucky, and Cap trying to recruit Bucky or trying to save Sharon, and it all collides. Somehow the fallout of all this leads to war.

 

[kguillou]

Do you guys think it's possible that Variety was right on RDJ's Stark being in the movie but the movie is not based on Civil War at all? Like, was the guy who broke the scoop just jumping to conclusions assuming that since Stark is co-starring in Cap 3 that it MUST be Civil War? What if its an entirely original story starring Cap and Ironman together? I just don't see Marvel trying that hard to compete with BvS and doing a movie about "hero vs hero" a mere 6 weeks after BvS just did it.

 

[Minxie]

Do you guys think it's possible that Variety was right on RDJ's Stark being in the movie but the movie is not based on Civil War at all? Like, was the guy who broke the scoop just jumping to conclusions assuming that since Stark is co-starring in Cap 3 that it MUST be Civil War? What if its an entirely original story starring Cap and Ironman together? I just don't see Marvel trying that hard to compete with BvS and doing a movie about "hero vs hero" a mere 6 weeks after BvS just did it.

You're not the only one who thinks so.

I noticed that the same guy who wrote the article was also responsible for a "Black Widow movie is in development!!" article back in February, something which people keep incorrectly citing as evidence that any such movie has been announced, officially. He based that article on those vague quotes from Feige about maybe, kinda, sorta thinking about a BW movie and ran with that. Lol *sigh*.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think Civil War is a better idea for a Captain America movie than an Avengers one. Personally, I hope in Cap 3 (if it is Civil War) that Cap turns himself in at the end, is put in jail, and in Avengers 3, Iron Man realizes he is overmatched against Thanos, and frees Captain America to be the leader Stark simply isn't.

 

[Lilbaz]

Think a lot will be revealed in Age of Ultron. Why does Stark feel the need to revive/create Ultron? Is it to battle super powered threats? Hulk is smashing up South Africa in some of the pictures. Could it be that Ultron and the Hulk buster armour we're created to battle him?

 

[Doc Ock]

Iron Man realizes he is overmatched against Thanos, and frees Captain America to be the leader Stark simply isn't.

Love it. They way it should be!

 

[cherokeesam]

However, there is no real way I can't see Stark going after the Winter Soldier. Yes, Bucky was brainwashed into killing Ma and Pa Stark. Tony doesn't know that. At least not yet. Nor could one say that Tony wouldn't be hurt by that enough to get revenge even though Bucky was under duress.

If Tony knows that his parents were murdered by Bucky, he damn well knows that it was when he was brainwashed by HYDRA. The ONLY people he could learn this info from are Cap and Widow, who were the only ones Zola confessed to. So if Steve and Tasha choose to tell Tony the truth, they're sure as hell not going to leave out the fact that Bucky was brainwashed.

Will Captain America and Bucky fight each other in this?

Kinda doubt it. That's already been extensively covered in TWS; no need to go over it again. Plus, TWS ends with Bucky starting to get his memory back (remember, the longer he stays away from the HYDRA vault, the quicker his memory returns). So he's probably going to be looking for Steve just as much as Steve is looking for him. When they next meet, it'll likely be a reunion of friends instead of enemies.

 

[Heretic]

Tony is basically in charge of world security at this point...though that position is self appointed. He may very well have access to every file SHIELD/HYDRA had, and would find out that way. Regardless...maybe he doesn't want to kill Bucky, just neutralize him.