Civil War The Official Captain America: Civil War News & Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

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[Darkraid]

If you don't like humor you can watch DC movies.

 

[Supernova]

I'm just going to assume you guys didn't even read all that I said. What clichéd response is next "Lucas Raped my childhood"?

 

[Supernova]

"TheVision: Marvel isnt gonna stop putting humor in their films for every uptight person who hates comedy. Gotta lighten up Francis"


first off I'm not uptight, Second when did I say I hate comedy? If you are going to respond can you at least acknowledge what I said and not what you think I said.

I can at least admit I like all types of comic book movies and want different types and I think Cap is the perfect type of character that can afford marvel to deviate from the fluff the avengers and antman delivered.

 

[TheVision]

Tony cracks jokes during battles because thats who he is. If hes actually faced with saving the planet, thats when he gets serious (see end of A1 and AOU). But his humor is also his way of dealing with things that are nuts. Him fighting Bruce actually made total sense for him to crack jokes since they both worked together on Hulkbuster and knew theyd have to use it sometime.

Cap: Is everything a joke to you?

Tony: Funny things are.

Cap and Bucky fighting to the death/ their past probably wont elicit many one liners. Caps not a comedian, neither is Bucky. They have their own personalities.

Its all about context. If it makes sense to release tension by making a joke, it works. If someones dying, noones gonna start cracking jokes.

Phil Coulsons death: Tony wasnt cracking jokes during that. He was pissed and shocked. He was every bit as serious as Bruce Wayne in Dark Knight after Rachel bought it.

It either works or it doesnt. If a line really is out of context, most people know it. But I dont agree that making a little joke here n there is a bad thing. Its not like these movies are going for Pineapple Express or Anchorman style comedy.

 

[Supernova]

Tony cracks jokes during battles because thats who he is. If hes actually faced with saving the planet, thats when he gets serious (see end of A1 and AOU). But his humor is also his way of dealing with things that are nuts. Him fighting Bruce actually made total sense for him to crack jokes since they both worked together on Hulkbuster and knew theyd have to use it sometime.

Cap: Is everything a joke to you?

Tony: Funny things are.

Cap and Bucky fighting to the death/ their past probably wont elicit many one liners. Caps not a comedian, neither is Bucky. They have their own personalities.

Its all about context. If it makes sense to release tension by making a joke, it works. If someones dying, noones gonna start cracking jokes.

Phil Coulsons death: Tony wasnt cracking jokes during that. He was pissed and shocked. He was every bit as serious as Bruce Wayne in Dark Knight after Rachel bought it.

Which is what Im saying, I dont mind jokes in the right moments that serve the scene or scenario and not the other way around. Whedon for me took the jokes way over the top and hurt the very scenes they were used in. while the russo's did it way better and sparingly. I dont love these characters for the one liners, I love them for how they act in the face of certain death and how they act when the moment calls for them being heroes. Like you said great example of one liner use is tony in avengers 1 one after hulk saves him and he wakes back up and says "no one tried to kiss me right?". Great scene because it felt earned as a genuine funny moment. It served the scene and wasnt just there to be there.

 

[TheVision]

As a fan whos seen all the movies, I really havent had one time where I felt like the jokes werent good or placed well. I think its mainly about the sensibility of the filmmakers. Obviously Joss comes from a more dysfunctional humorous family side of things while the Russos are treating their characters like ones in gritty 70s/80s action thrillers where people are tough and not so quippy.

It will be interesting to see if Infinity War has as much humor in it as Joss' films or if its more serious.

 

[Flint Marko]

The only time I felt the humor was laid on a little thick was in Thor 2. The rest of the time it works very well.

 

[TheVision]

All the movies have had an amount of humor in them. Some more than others. Guardians was almost a sci fi comedy. Im a comedy fan though so I dont mind it. I also loved the more darker tone of the Russos TWS, that was awesome.

 

[Flint Marko]

I don't understand the need for a dour humorless approach in movies about guys who fly around in silly outfits and hit each other. It lends itself well to Batman and a handful of others, but trying to say that a superhero comics movie shouldn't have jokes in it is laughable in and of itself.
These are superheroes movies. Not everything is the Dark Knight.

 

[Darkraid]

The only time I felt the humor was laid on a little thick was in Thor 2. The rest of the time it works very well.

Thor 2 humor was bad because the writer forced the humor in.

For example, Ant-Man's humor was spot on because it flowed well.

I hope they take Thor movies more seriously. Thor 2 was lame as hell.

 

[Supernova]

I don't understand the need for a dour humorless approach in movies about guys who fly around in silly outfits and hit each other. It lends itself well to Batman and a handful of others, but trying to say that a superhero comics movie shouldn't have jokes in it is laughable in and of itself.
These are superheroes movies. Not everything is the Dark Knight.

I agree but then again not every comic book movie should be fluff corn fest either, if that was the case everything would be Wal-Mart. The reason why it worked for batman was because the studio took a chance on it after campy sequels, for all we know there are other comic properties out there that could thrive just as much in the darker element. You have to have different types of comic films or else the genre is going to die out from the same thing over and over. There should be zero issues for fans who want dark realistic comic films and ones that want a funner cornier voice. I love my diet soda but sometimes the sugary type is just as good.

 

[CaptainWagner]

There have definitly been some instances of misplaced humor opinion the MCU, but as a whole it's been handled well. And I greatly appreciate the Russos taking a more serious approach. A movie can have a serious tone but still have jokes.

 

[8ulk]

All the movies have had an amount of humor in them. Some more than others. Guardians was almost a sci fi comedy. Im a comedy fan though so I dont mind it. I also loved the more darker tone of the Russos TWS, that was awesome.

you can do both dark gritty tone and still have one liners and humour.
TWS had some fun in it so did the dark knight and so did MoS.

I remember loling 4-5 times in MoS.

Watchmen was the only film i remember with no comedy or one liners at all.
maybe The dark knight rises too but 2008 dark knight had a few for sure.

 

[TheVision]

Yeah and I think its also great when movies can go from those serious life/death sequences then someone makes a joke. I mean I think that it brings a realism to the circumstances. Its like these are real people like us who are thrown into these crazy situations. Of course they need to have some humor to deal with the insanity of it.

 

[Flint Marko]

I agree but then again not every comic book movie should be fluff corn fest either, if that was the case everything would be Wal-Mart. The reason why it worked for batman was because the studio took a chance on it after campy sequels, for all we know there are other comic properties out there that could thrive just as much in the darker element. You have to have different types of comic films or else the genre is going to die out from the same thing over and over. There should be zero issues for fans who want dark realistic comic films and ones that want a funner cornier voice. I love my diet soda but sometimes the sugary type is just as good.

And yet from what I understand from what little I've seen of your posts, you're casting a wide blanket and condemning nearly every Marvel movie for its use of humor. I don't disagree that there should be variety, but you seem to be coming down too hard on the other side and saying that Marvel has mishandled their approach when, by all measurable standards, they're knocking it out of the park.

 

[TheVision]

No offense but to me Marvel characters are better than DC characters. I just like them as people more. Nevermind the super hero stuff. If I had to be friends or family of one of them Id def choose Marvel.

 

[Supernova]

And yet from what I understand from what little I've seen of your posts, you're casting a wide blanket and condemning nearly every Marvel movie for its use of humor. I don't disagree that there should be variety, but you seem to be coming down too hard on the other side and saying that Marvel has mishandled their approach when, by all measurable standards, they're knocking it out of the park.

Again I'm not condemning anything, I have seen every marvel film to date and I'm saying I prefer the ones that have a more serious approach with the right moments of comedy thrown in that serve the story and not the story serving the jokes. Guardians and Ant-man knew what kind of film they were and did it perfectly, while others like Thor and hulk didn't IMHO have the right story to have a bunch of jokes mixed in. If people want the more humor laced versions like Age of Ultron delivered then by all means that fine and god bless them for that, I'm not going to tell the droves of families and friends who like that but there can be ones with a more serious approach. I hope this new Cap film continues what the Russo's did and less what Joss did with the avengers tone.

 

[Supernova]

No offense but to me Marvel characters are better than DC characters. I just like them as people more. Nevermind the super hero stuff. If I had to be friends or family of one of them Id def choose Marvel.

Marvel heroes are easier to market too, way easier to market Ironman then Aquaman to kids and families lol. My belief was too Marvel heroes occupied actual known relatable cities as DC's occupied futuristic made up ones. If I'm wrong stop me.


I prefer marvel as I grew up on a hell of a lot of Spiderman.

 

[TeeKay]

Why Aquaman? If Marvel can sell fricken Ant-Man then Aquaman should be a piece of cake.

 

[Flint Marko]

Marvel can sell anything at this point, so it's tough to compare them with other companies and their ability to properly adapt their IPs.

 

[TheVision]

If we had to deal with the type of crazy stuff that goes in the MCU we'd be cracking jokes too. Thor? Spider Man? Ant Man? Hilarious stuff really. People would be making the same types of funny memes they already do about them.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm definitely with you guys, I prefer Marvel as well. The only DC character I'm really a fan of is the Flash, but he's also my second favorite hero behind Spider-Man. I just never really cared too much about Superman or Batman.

 

[Wylie Times]

How is it that at least once a week this thread drifts into a "Marvel vs DC" debate/comparison?