Civil War The Official Captain America: Civil War News & Speculation Thread - Part 5

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[warhorse78]

Grillo said he's done - done.

It never occurred to me he'd be the main villain, he's a goon/henchman. But when his return was leaked some sites ran with it as a fact that he was the main villain.

I didn't buy him as a main villain. More like, a yes man with evil priorities. Besides, I thought Daniel Brühl was going to be the main villain. Or scratch that, who ever is really behind the registration act. The puppet masters if you will.

 

[noakai]

I didn't buy him as a main villain. More like, a yes man with evil priorities. Besides, I thought Daniel Brühl was going to be the main villain. Or scratch that, who ever is really behind the registration act. The puppet masters if you will.

It might be something like Crossbones, possibly working for something, goes after the Avengers and causes the previously mentioned collateral damage. This makes the world governments move forward on their plans to put a version of SHRA in place, which causes in-fighting between Avengers both current and previous, and that argument kind of becomes the focus even though Crossbones and presumably Zemo keep doing whatever they were doing in the background. So they've got things going on 2 fronts, SHRA and Zemo, and by the end of the movie it'll all have crashed together (or perhaps Zemo is involved with getting an SHRA put into place somehow).

 

[Suzanne78]

This is actually the part where I wish the actors didn't have Twitter... or I wasn't weak enough to expose myself to these boards. Because knowing that Grillo's done (and that Rumlow's potentially, maybe dead?) really is the biggest disappointment for me for this movie. Crossbones had tons of potential. Oh well, at least I've got a year to get ready to see it onscreen.

 

[harryoscop]

Is it more sensible? Yeah.
But is it worth of being the main argument of a film called Civil War? Do you expect superheroes that have fought side by side and trusted each others to get to actual physical blows over this argument?

Because I don't. I would expect Vice-minister and Minister of Defense of Whatsitsname to debate about it intensely. Not to starts an open armed conflict about it.

And if you tell me Cap and Iron Man won't be really having a real war, I think the movie won't deserve the name.

This. although The Avengers are going to be in the center of this conflict, it's most most likely going affect other superhumans as well.

That's why Marvel used the title Civil War.. the Title implies WAR, this is going to be a war between two factions. not just a fight between The Avengers.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

If Zemo is really the main villain in this, and the primary force behind the plot, then I really hope he won't just be some Red Skull clone, because that is what it is sounding like

 

[noakai]

This. although The Avengers are going to be in the center of this conflict, it's most most likely going affect other superhumans as well.

That's why Marvel used the title Civil War.. the Title implies WAR, this is going to be a war between two factions. not just a fight between The Avengers.

It probably depends on how many other superhumans there even are. I don't watch AoS, but even if there a bunch of them revealed on that show, there still aren't that many around, which is partly why people thought it was dumb to go the original CW route - there aren't enough of them to require registering. All there really is right now are the Avengers and people who will be Avengers down the line to fight each other, if they're going full on fighting.

 

[harryoscop]

It probably depends on how many other superhumans there even are. I don't watch AoS, but even if there a bunch of them revealed on that show, there still aren't that many around, which is partly why people thought it was dumb to go the original CW route - there aren't enough of them to require registering. All there really is right now are the Avengers and people who will be Avengers down the line to fight each other, if they're going full on fighting.

Don't have enough superhumans? all you need is a couple of cameos and costumes and there, problem solved. they can be in the background.

There's definitely other heroes in the MCU that we haven't seen or heard of yet.

 

[Best]

Went to see Mad Max today. Some small dude explaining to his less-small dude-friends about Civil War and things like Invisible Woman siding with Cap (along with the F4 rights and what-not).

They understood

(Aussies btw, I was shocked lol)

 

[BatsDC]

The approach Marvel are taking makes sense in the context of the MCU, and suits a Captain America movie. I'm not sure what people were honestly expecting

 

[samsnee]

Crossbones is getting Strucker'd.

 

[harryoscop]

The approach Marvel are taking makes sense in the context of the MCU, and suits a Captain America movie. I'm not sure what people were honestly expecting

People were expecting a CIVIL WAR as the title implies.

Still don't see how Tony and Steve will come to blows over this.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Crossbones is getting Strucker'd.

Alright now it's time to make getting Strucker'd an official thing!

 

[Dark Raven]

People were expecting a CIVIL WAR as the title implies.

Still don't see how Tony and Steve will come to blows over this.

People can come to blows over all kinds of things. Often, the inciting incident isn't even really the actual thing that has caused the physical fight if you examine it. Rather, it's the catalyst that brings to light all the other issues both parties have with each other which are boiling just below the surface. Sometimes the inciting incident is simply the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Tony and Steve have already had issues with each other since the first Avengers movie. And there were further things in Age of Ultron which, while they managed to work together in the end, may really have been swept under the carpet when they think about it. Plus there's the whole issue of Bucky having killed Stark's parents. There's been a growing rift, and under the right circumstances with something like the government regulation, it can completely polarise them and entrench them in opposite corners when in reality, they would probably both fall closer to the middle.

There are many incidents in history which, when looked at in isolation, don't really seem to be important enough to fight over or cause some kind of revolution. And often, the question asked in history is whether the incident was simply the catalyst which brought about something that would've happened inevitably anyway, or whether it was the actual cause. And there's never such a clear-cut answer in many cases, because these tend to overlap.

 

[BatsDC]

People were expecting a CIVIL WAR as the title implies.

Still don't see how Tony and Steve will come to blows over this.

It's taking that title because it's core concept is similar ot taht of the comic titled Civil War.

Steve is obviously going to have a problem with the idea of the team being controlled and only sent out on government's orders. He doesn't trust authority after S.H.I.E.L.D. fell apart, and his whole mantra has been to help others. Now imagine he's in this situation - innocent people are being killed, and he's being told he can't intervene. By th egovernment of all people. Cap would disagree with that.

Stark on the other hand, has clearly become more and more disillusioned with the idea of the team operating on their own. Under S.H.I.E.L.D. they had guidance, but the moment they don't, Ultron happens. The team caused major destruction, and he's been directly involved in a lot of that - he sees the team having some guidance as a good thing.

Cap goes rogue, takes Falcon, Hawkeye, Black Widow and Scarlet Witch with him - Stark's Avengers - Vision, Ant-Man and War Machine - go after them. They're outlaws now, essentially.

Now I'm going to speculate as well that one of the big factors here will be Bucky. He'll likely be a target for the government, wanting to bring him down - Stark would agree with this, Cap wouldn't. That's two points of conflict you have. Then, assuming Cap reconnects with Bucky, he's then working with the man who killed Stark's parents and is being hunted by the government.

There's two points of conflict there.

 

[ThePhantasm]

the Title implies WAR

I'd say its pretty explicit, not implicit.

 

[Dark Raven]

If Howard Stark shacked up with Peggy Carter at any point before his death, that's another point of conflict there.

The conflict between Steve and Tony is almost like a generational feud dating back to the 1940s, because both Stark (in the form of Howard back then) and Rogers have been really at the heart and foundation of nearly all the major events and developments in the MCU - from the Super Soldier Serum to the founding of SHIELD to the Starks being assassinated by Bucky, to the creation of the Hulk, to the formation of the Avengers etc. It's like there's the potential for decades worth of bad blood to develop between them.

 

[TalismanRing]

The Civil War doesn't need to be and I think shouldn't be predicated on bad blood between Steve and Tony. That's why I really liked the ending to AOU. In the comics they were long time friends and teammates (basically the "Mom & Dad" of The Avengers) and even after they've had their clashes they came back as friends (well until this last time...) Civil War is a clashing of ideas and also ideals vs pragmatism in the face of SHRA.

 

[BatsDC]

Given what we know, this is how I see the plot working out, in a basic form.

Spoiler

Captain America and The Avengers respond to an attack in Nigeria by Crossbones and a team of Hydra agents, who are tracking down The Winter Soldier. The resulting fight ends in mass destruction and civilian casulaties, and Bucky escapes.

The government imposes sanctions upon the team, forcing them to operate under their control. Tony Stark is brought in to fund and act as the figurehead for this new initiative. General Ross oversees the new team. After numerous instances of being prevented from intervening when civillians are in danger, the Winter Soldeir resurfaces, and the government forces the team to move in and take him out. Cap, angry at the act, refuses, and splits from the team, alongside Falcon, Black Widow, Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch.

Captain America's new team tracks Bucky down, only to be ambushed by The Black Panther, whom is hunting down Bucky after he assassinated various political figures from Wakanda. Eventually they stop fighting, only for Stark's team to attack. Widow is arrested, but the reaminder of the team escape, with T'Challa taking them to Wakanda, where they are safe. Bucky reveals he is being hunted by Baron Zemo, whom has significant political influence, who made Crossbones cause destruction so as to cause the act, and intends to use Stark's team to take out his enemies.

Meanwhile, Ross begins looking through known heroes, looking to further control their actions, and sends Stark out to find Spider-Man, a vigilante whom recently surfaced. Stark's team find the young hero, only for Cap's team to arrive, where they draw out Stark, so as to explain Zemo's plan, only for a huge battle to break out. Spider-Man saves civillians, and eventually the two sides come to reason, and go to attack Zemo's compound, whilst Ant-Man breaks Black Widow out of custody.

The team assualt Zemo's castle, where they find him and stop him. The government repeals the act. Steve chooses to retire from heroics, ashamed of the destruction he caused as team leader, leaving Bucky in charge of the team.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Cap will die at the end of Civil War the same way that Batman died at the end of The Dark Knight Rises. This way, Steve Rogers will be able to escape to Italy with Sharon, and Tony will see them from across a table at a cafe, giving him a nod and knowing that Steve is safe, while the rest of the world thinks Cap is dead.

 

[White_Knight191]

Given what we know, this is how I see the plot working out, in a basic form.

Spoiler

Captain America and The Avengers respond to an attack in Nigeria by Crossbones and a team of Hydra agents, who are tracking down The Winter Soldier. The resulting fight ends in mass destruction and civilian casulaties, and Bucky escapes.

The government imposes sanctions upon the team, forcing them to operate under their control. Tony Stark is brought in to fund and act as the figurehead for this new initiative. General Ross oversees the new team. After numerous instances of being prevented from intervening when civillians are in danger, the Winter Soldeir resurfaces, and the government forces the team to move in and take him out. Cap, angry at the act, refuses, and splits from the team, alongside Falcon, Black Widow, Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch.

Captain America's new team tracks Bucky down, only to be ambushed by The Black Panther, whom is hunting down Bucky after he assassinated various political figures from Wakanda. Eventually they stop fighting, only for Stark's team to attack. Widow is arrested, but the reaminder of the team escape, with T'Challa taking them to Wakanda, where they are safe. Bucky reveals he is being hunted by Baron Zemo, whom has significant political influence, who made Crossbones cause destruction so as to cause the act, and intends to use Stark's team to take out his enemies.

Meanwhile, Ross begins looking through known heroes, looking to further control their actions, and sends Stark out to find Spider-Man, a vigilante whom recently surfaced. Stark's team find the young hero, only for Cap's team to arrive, where they draw out Stark, so as to explain Zemo's plan, only for a huge battle to break out. Spider-Man saves civillians, and eventually the two sides come to reason, and go to attack Zemo's compound, whilst Ant-Man breaks Black Widow out of custody.

The team assualt Zemo's castle, where they find him and stop him. The government repeals the act. Steve chooses to retire from heroics, ashamed of the destruction he caused as team leader, leaving Bucky in charge of the team.

If the movie turns out to be something like this, I'll be a happy fan.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Maybe Cap will die at the end of Civil War the same way that Batman died at the end of The Dark Knight Rises. This way, Steve Rogers will be able to escape to Italy with Sharon, and Tony will see them from across a table at a cafe, giving him a nod and knowing that Steve is safe, while the rest of the world thinks Cap is dead.

That would actually work pretty well, if it hadn't already been used.


Anyway, now I want to know who Zemo's right-hand man will be, since most everyone had assumed that would be Crossbones' role.

 

[SHADY XV]

Maybe it is good that Quicksilver died. He would have been even faster than in the previous movie. As Hulk, too strong in this kin of confrontation

 

[TalismanRing]

Given what we know, this is how I see the plot working out, in a basic form.

Spoiler

Captain America and The Avengers respond to an attack in Nigeria by Crossbones and a team of Hydra agents, who are tracking down The Winter Soldier. The resulting fight ends in mass destruction and civilian casulaties, and Bucky escapes.

The government imposes sanctions upon the team, forcing them to operate under their control. Tony Stark is brought in to fund and act as the figurehead for this new initiative. General Ross oversees the new team. After numerous instances of being prevented from intervening when civillians are in danger, the Winter Soldeir resurfaces, and the government forces the team to move in and take him out. Cap, angry at the act, refuses, and splits from the team, alongside Falcon, Black Widow, Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch.

Captain America's new team tracks Bucky down, only to be ambushed by The Black Panther, whom is hunting down Bucky after he assassinated various political figures from Wakanda. Eventually they stop fighting, only for Stark's team to attack. Widow is arrested, but the reaminder of the team escape, with T'Challa taking them to Wakanda, where they are safe. Bucky reveals he is being hunted by Baron Zemo, whom has significant political influence, who made Crossbones cause destruction so as to cause the act, and intends to use Stark's team to take out his enemies.

Meanwhile, Ross begins looking through known heroes, looking to further control their actions, and sends Stark out to find Spider-Man, a vigilante whom recently surfaced. Stark's team find the young hero, only for Cap's team to arrive, where they draw out Stark, so as to explain Zemo's plan, only for a huge battle to break out. Spider-Man saves civillians, and eventually the two sides come to reason, and go to attack Zemo's compound, whilst Ant-Man breaks Black Widow out of custody.

The team assualt Zemo's castle, where they find him and stop him. The government repeals the act. Steve chooses to retire from heroics, ashamed of the destruction he caused as team leader, leaving Bucky in charge of the team.

Steve's

Spoiler

ashamed of the destruction he causes so he lives an assassin and formerly brainwashed war criminal as leader of the team.

WHY????? Why not

Spoiler

Natasha, Rhodey, Hawkeye or Sam or someone actually qualified? Why Bucky except that's the stupid thing that was done in the comics. And why can't Steve leave because he realizes he wants to do other things (like art school or teaching kids hsitory or writing a book or joining the circus) with his life than fight wars. Why does every Captain America movie have to end on a downer for Steve?