Civil War The Official Captain America: Civil War News & Speculation Thread - Part 8

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[BullMcGiveny]

Im pretty shocked some people could accept Bucky/The Winter Soldier as a replacement for Cap. It says a lot about how you view the world actually.

Whats next? defacing the Lincoln Monument? Peeing on JFKs grave? Idk.

That's a bit harsh. There are some desires here and elsewhere that are comparable to wanting to deface the Lincoln monument, but Bucky as Cap isn't really it.

 

[Sleiek]

CA:CW should be as long or short as it needs to be, as with any other film.

Saying AoU needed more time is irrelevant, this is a differen't movie, a Captain America movie, not an Avengers movie.

This may not be an Avengers movie, but considering the number of superheroes in the film, it will be hard not to compare it with one. With so many characters, you need to give them more time to shine.

 

[Silvermoon]

This may not be an Avengers movie, but considering the number of superheroes in the film, it will be hard not to compare it with one. With so many characters, you need to give them more time to shine.

*If* it were an Avengers movie, I'd agree with the bolded. But as it's a Cap movie, I don't think it's *as* critical that everyone else has to have more time to shine. It's a Cap movie first and foremost.

I agree with Moridin, the movie should be however long the directors feel it needs to be in order to tell their story with the flow and pacing that it needs. Whether or not whatever choices they make in terms of that flow and pacing are successful, we won't know until we actually see the finished product. After that, then I'll feel better about saying whether it should have been a longer movie or not.

(hope that all made sense, sorry if it didn't... trying to make coherent thoughts when a pulled muscle in your lower back is causing pain every time you shift in your seat is hard *lol*)

 

[Sleiek]

I think I am just looking at it from a different perspective based on my expectations. Unlike the Avengers film, where I don't really need to see the motivations of every single avenger as they are working for the same cause, this film though is different, I want to see why these characters chose the side that they did.

And I love the fact this is a Captain America film as he is my favorite Avenger in the MCU. He definitely requires more focus than the rest of the avengers. But trying to balance the demand for action and exploring the character motivations for choosing one side or no side is going to be hard but I have faith in the Russos. But based on what I know, shorter the film the more disappointed I am depending on the genre as I come away feeling a little unsatisfied.

 

[BoredGuy]

Im pretty shocked some people could accept Bucky/The Winter Soldier as a replacement for Cap. It says a lot about how you view the world actually.

Whats next? defacing the Lincoln Monument? Peeing on JFKs grave? Idk.

wow, seriously?

I'm trying to explain my viewpoint in a logical way and get beyond insulted as a response?
piss off kid

 

[TheVision]

Im not trying to insult anyone. I didnt say anything towards you personally. Im trying to explain the relation of having a guy like Winter Soldier taking Caps place. Maybe its a bit over the top but thats what I was trying to get at.

I mean if you think youre right on this, cool. Im just expressing my pov on this topic.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'd rather see Winter Soldier replace Cap than see Cap get recast.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Bucky originally got the CA mantle because Steve wanted to make sure he was taken care of and had a way to redeem himself. Steve knew Bucky wouldn't have done the things he had done as the WS if he weren't brainwashed so felt alright about handing the mantle over. I feel that is similar to how the MCU is portraying Steve's feelings toward Bucky. He knows there's good in him and that the assassin he's been made into isn't the real Bucky. That's why many don't seem to think it's a bad idea to have Bucky be CA, both in the comics and on film.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Im pretty shocked some people could accept Bucky/The Winter Soldier as a replacement for Cap. It says a lot about how you view the world actually

The only thing that says is that the person read the comics and wants to see that repeated in live action.

Accusing someone of being unpatriotic over comic books and movies is a stretching it, even when we are taking obnoxious fanboy reactions to account.

 

[TheVision]

Well, Bucky isnt Cap and hes not worthy of replacing Cap because of who he is and what hes done. You either agree or disagree with that I guess. This is MCU only, the comics are another story.

 

[MbJ]

People's problem is that you keep framing that statement as objective fact and then went and attacked people who disagreed. Not liking Bucky as Cap as one thing. Personal attacks that call into question someone's patriotism or compare their differing opinion to wanting to piss on the grave of an assassinated president is another entirely.

 

[TheVision]

If youre patriotic or pro-USA then why would you want an terrorist assassin to replace Steve Rogers as THE #1 patriot that represents this country? I have no idea.

This is pretty black n white to me. Theres nothing personal about it.

Also people need to learn to defend their views as opposed to being babies everytime theyre challenged. Lets talk it out like adults at least. Tell me where youre coming from, so we all understand the deal. Then we can part friends on the same page. Im not gonna back down if I feel like my views are right anyway.

 

[sergeantbucky]

Wow, the vitriol spewing from some of you is astounding.

 

[Sleiek]

I don't think Bucky shouldn't become Cap 2.0 because he has killed people in the past. He did it because he was brainwashed to do it. Bucky in his core, is a very decent fellow.

I just want to see Steve Rogers until the end of Infinity War and they can replace him with Bucky after that, IF they have to. Actually I think this is the perfect place to replace Steve Rogers if Marvel's plan for Bucky is to use him for Cap in the future.

 

[TheVision]

Im not mad at anyone in here. Im totally cool right now.

 

[sergeantbucky]

I don't think Bucky shouldn't because Cap 2.0 because he has killed people in the past. He did it because he was brainwashed to do it. Bucky in his core, is a decent fellow.

I just want to see Steve Rogers until the end of Infinity War and they can replace him with Bucky after that, IF they have to. Actually I think this is the perfect place to replace Steve Rogers if Marvel's plan is to use Bucky in the future for Cap 2.0.

I agree.

Bucky is a good man, twisted and tortured to do HYDRA's bidding. Does anyone think that Steve Rogers, the most righteous and morally-driven member of the Avengers, would befriend someone who wasn't an inherently good human being? I think not. Bucky's friendship with Steve Rogers should say everything.

 

[TheVision]

I guess itll be Steves call. I doubt theyre gonna just make Bucky Captain America if he has no say. If he actually tells him to carry on, thats how itll be. I just dont think hes worthy of that persona and he cant fill Steves shoes with all the crap hes done in the 20th century. It just doesnt gel for me.

 

[Sleiek]

No one is worthy of that persona.

Incredibly hard to find another Steve Rogers. He is unique considering his experiences in life. But he can't be Captain America forever, he needs to live the rest of his life, if he has one, in peace.

 

[MbJ]

If youre patriotic or pro-USA then why would you want an terrorist assassin to replace Steve Rogers as THE #1 patriot that represents this country?

Because Captain America is a fictional character and not necessarily a referendum on how people feel about their country.

Also people need to learn to defend their views as opposed to being babies everytime theyre challenged.

Because you're not challenging their views, you're using charged language and over-the-top reaches in logic to make assertions that people who like Bucky somehow hate America as a country. I can't imagine why someone would react strongly to that!

 

[Wylie Times]

I don't think Bucky shouldn't become Cap 2.0 because he has killed people in the past. He did it because he was brainwashed to do it. Bucky in his core, is a very decent fellow.

I just want to see Steve Rogers until the end of Infinity War and they can replace him with Bucky after that, IF they have to. Actually I think this is the perfect place to replace Steve Rogers if Marvel's plan for Bucky is to use him for Cap in the future.

Steve Rogers has also killed people in the past. They even brought it up in Winter Soldier.

 

[TheVision]

Cap didnt assassinate world leaders for HYDRA. Theres a bit of a HUGE difference.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Cap didnt assassinate world leaders for HYDRA. Theres a bit of a HUGE difference.

Bucky didn't do it on his on volition so your argument is not completely justified either. There seems to be something else clouding your thinking about this topic that has made you come off as a bit unhinged so maybe you might want to try stepping back a bit.

 

[Wylie Times]

Cap didnt assassinate world leaders for HYDRA. Theres a bit of a HUGE difference.

It's not like Bucky made a conscious decision to be an assassin for Hydra. He wasn't even aware of who he was. Like Sleiek said Bucky was brainwashed.