The Official Choose A Director Thread

[Sam]

URL plz! Video is not loading for me...

 

[SuperDaniel]

How about just make a Superman movie that is faithful to the character of the comics for once? Grab the best representations of every character and make it work into a fine stroy. The rest will take care of itself.

 

[NotFadeAway]

I have no problem with making the world around Superman "dark". But Superman needs to be the ray of hope and inspiration in that world.

A Superman movie needs to be about hope. Superman is the white knight to Batman's Dark Knight.

 

[SuperDaniel]

He is much more than the white knight. He is like the Shinning knight.

 

[Dark Knight]

Check out the bit (8:33) where Zack Snyder talks about Superman.

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c3m-Lc_uU8&feature=channel[/YT]

"The studio asked me: "hey, could you make Superman dark?" and I'm like: "I just did!"

Now, I don't know of this piece of information deserves its own thread (so feel free to lock and delete it) but I just thought it was quite interresting for a couple of reasons.

First of, it shows how far WB would be willing to take Superman as a dark character. When they said that they wanted to explore the dark side of the character, I thought the whole thing would remain within the boundaries of how dark you can make Superman. But since they are asking Zack Snyder if he could handle a Superman movie, given the fact that he is currently working on Watchmen, then I guess the studio felt that maybe Superman could get as dark and complex as Watchmen. And that's pretty extreme given the nature of the character. Yet I'm sure Zack could deliver a kick-ass Superman movie.

So what do you think? Is WB going to far?

Oh and also, I think we can definitely categorize Millar's word as BS. After all, why would they be knocking at Snyder's door if they considered moving foward with Millar's vision which already has a director and a producer?

I have said this before and I'll say it again....Zack Snyder would make a kick a$$ Superman film!

He doesn't have to make it R either...just a hard core PG-13 just like the LOR films and TDK were.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I have said this before and I'll say it again....Zack Snyder would make a kick a$$ Superman film!

I dunno, I feel that Snyder is just wrong for a Superman film. A Superman film needs to be an interpretation of the character just like all the other comic book films based on characters.

Snyder is more of an adaptation-styled director. Putting things that are already in print, on film. Look at 300 and Watchmen, they aren't interpretations of those stories, they're dead on adaptations.

He doesn't have to make it R either...just a hard core PG-13 just like the LOR films and TDK were.

Superman should not have a hard core PG-13 rating like the Dark Knight and it better not be an R rated film. Superman should be more along the lines of a hard core PG or a light hearted PG-13 film.

While the world around him can be dark, Superman himself cannot be dark. He is not a dark character.

 

[El Payaso]

^It's clear that we see the Spider-Man movies very differently El Payaso. Nothing wrong with that but thats just the way it is.

I might hate those movies and you might love them. But Raimi used a lot of time (specially in Spiderman 2) to make Peter Parker a mumbling guy who stumbles and falls over for no reason, who everybody mistreats; for no reason everybody insists in hitting him with their backpacks while he's picking up his notebooks or everybody just grab the drinks before him, and who's so clueless that he got wrong the price of flowers, he grabs only empty glasses at cocktails, etc.

 

[Juggernaut33]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c3m-Lc_uU8&feature=channel

And yeah it is a very recent interview.

 

[Bren]

As long as Superman himself remains the epitomy of how humans should be (and we know what these characteristics are), I don't care how dark the rest of the world is.

I want to see Superman getting angry though, that would show his 'seriousness' - I really enjoyed SR's Superman getting angry when he found the crystals gone - I thought, "someone's going to get it bad", and that island didn't stand a chance ...

 

[DavidTyler]

Here's what I'm thinking about all this:

I want to see a Superman that can mesh with Nolan's Batman ... but I don't want him to be a dark character.

I want him to be semi-realistic. By that, I want to believe that his world can co-exist with Nolan's.

I want the writers to sit down and think about what this man would be like growing up the way he did. He grew up thinking he was an oddball and would have had some insecurity issues that would have crippled him if not for the nurturing of the Kents. That doesn't mean, however, that he wouldn't get angry at things or have strong emotions - some dark that he'd keep in check.

Superman is not a dark character but can be a complex one. To make him just this shining knight boyscout is to totally hamstring the chararcter. Let him be us .. the better us .. only with more of a wagnerian tone.

And, for reference, there was a scene in a Superman comic (drawn by Swan) where Superman almost loses it over the activities of some whalers. The Man of Steel's anger, while in check, was on the verge of exploding.

Remember that scene from the first film where Lois had died and Supes is overcome with emotion to the point of screaming and flying off at an amazing spead? I want to see some scenes like that only dealing with his anger at the activities of his antagonists.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

See here is what people don't understand is that if you want a Superman that can match up with Nolan's Batman then that is Singer's Superman. Look lets be honest Jason aside the world Singer and Donner created is probably the closest you'll get to putting Superman in a realistic world. As many have said though Superman doesn't need to be darker however the world around him and the villains he faces can be darker.

 

[Showtime]

I think what WB wants is for Superman to be the brightest light in the world’s darkest hours and what better way to present Superman as “the light to show the way”, by putting him through both the world’s and his darkest period. WB wants to eventually mesh these worlds into a JLA or World’s Finest film at some point, so I think what is happening in Gotham is most likely going to extend outward to the rest of the DC universe.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I might hate those movies and you might love them. But Raimi used a lot of time (specially in Spiderman 2) to make Peter Parker a mumbling guy who stumbles and falls over for no reason, who everybody mistreats; for no reason everybody insists in hitting him with their backpacks while he's picking up his notebooks or everybody just grab the drinks before him, and who's so clueless that he got wrong the price of flowers, he grabs only empty glasses at cocktails, etc.

God, yes. He was such a loser in SM2. In SM1, at least he had some integrity

I think what WB wants is for Superman to be the brightest light in the world’s darkest hours and what better way to present Superman as “the light to show the way”,

Anyway, "Can you make Superman dark?" .... F***, WB. What does that mean exactly? I hope it means what you think it means, Showy. WB needs to stop worrying about the flavor of the month ("darrkkkkk") and just do Superman justice. His character should not be compromised.

Here's what I'm thinking about all this:

I want to see a Superman that can mesh with Nolan's Batman ... but I don't want him to be a dark character.

I want him to be semi-realistic. By that, I want to believe that his world can co-exist with Nolan's.

That would be ideal.

 

[Showtime]

I don't blame people for being nervous with the handling of the characters by WB/DC, but I think we are reading into things the wrong way.

 

[Double Down]

How so?

 

[Showtime]

I think it is pretty obvious they want something bad to happen to Superman, by way of a darker villian in order to snap the guy out of it and give Superman a chip on his shoulder. He's not going to be coming out dressed in black and throwing out Punisher one liners.

 

[GarudA]

This whole Dark thing might give a hope of seeing Darkseid in a movie. He is one villain that really gets Superman angry.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I think it is pretty obvious they want something bad to happen to Superman, by way of a darker villian in order to snap the guy out of it and give Superman a chip on his shoulder. He's not going to be coming out dressed in black and throwing out Punisher one liners.

If that is the case the best way to make him dark in the way you explained would be to kill Jason or Lois (which may match up with what might go on in the comics due to Final Crisis).

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

This whole Dark thing might give a hope of seeing Darkseid in a movie. He is one villain that really gets Superman angry.

Superman never really went dark against Darkseid until Darkseid made it personal. See that is the same thing with Lex. When they made things personal by going after his family or killing a loved one thats when you saw Superman turn dark and thats when he has a chip on his shoulder and will almost cross that line much like Batman but until then he never fights with that edge unless it is Darkseid because Darkseid has not only attacked him but his family (Supergirl, Lois, The Kents). Which is why I say if you want him to go dark in a movie you have to either have the villain kill Lois or Jason (if a sequel).

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I think it is pretty obvious they want something bad to happen to Superman, by way of a darker villian in order to snap the guy out of it and give Superman a chip on his shoulder. He's not going to be coming out dressed in black and throwing out Punisher one liners.

See, I'd be all right with a Superman in a very dark world. Like you said, he'd be the "light to show them the way" (from Jor-El's classic speech). As long as Superman remains true to his positive nature, fights for Truth, Justice, and the American Way... and doesn't become a goth somehow in the process... everything is cool. He can throw a tantrum out of dark emotion in rage once in a while if the story justifies him doing so (they can't make a habit of doing that. But it has happened before, where like someone mentioned, a villain made it too personal).

We have yet to see exactly what WB is talking about, though.

 

[Showtime]

If that is the case the best way to make him dark in the way you explained would be to kill Jason or Lois (which may match up with what might go on in the comics due to Final Crisis).

Jason isn't going to carry over into the next Superman film since it won't be a sequel, so we can definately scratch that off the list.

See, I'd be all right with a Superman in a very dark world. Like you said, he'd be the "light to show them the way" (from Jor-El's classic speech). As long as Superman remains true to his positive nature, fights for Truth, Justice, and the American Way... and doesn't become a goth somehow in the process... everything is cool. He can throw a tantrum out of dark emotion in rage once in a while if the story justifies him doing so (they can't make a habit of doing that. But it has happened before, where like someone mentioned, a villain made it too personal).

We have yet to see exactly what WB is talking about, though.

I personally think that is exactly what Robinov and Snyder are refering to, I don't think they are talking Burton's Superman.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Its like with camp and Batman. The more modern, complex, and sophisticated audiences wont accept it. They went all camp with Batman and Robin to tap the success of the 60's but it came back and blew up in their faces to the point we didnt see Batman on screen for about 10 years. It was kiddie toy commercial with a little bit of hidden adult humour and it was just stupid. What worked then definitely doesnt work now.

A similar concept applies to Supes. The romanticism of the Donner movies was great for the times, and it will forever be classic, but it no longer applies. Singer kept rolling with it and we all know how that went. That has been done before and Superman has to be modernized for a modern audience. I assume that is what is implied when we are discussing a darker superman movie.

The influence Begins-TDK has on this medium is not one that will make the movies darker in characterization, but, I think, it will steer these movies towards making an adaptation that takes the source material with some seriousness and awareness of the times instead of falling into the comic book gimmick feel some producers who are completely removed from the current comics subculture seem to think these movies should be like.

 

[Sam]

I have said this before and I'll say it again....Zack Snyder would make a kick a$$ Superman film!

I totally agree. Snyder is my favorite director to make a Superman film for a long time, i said that few times around these boards.

 

[Sam]

Snyder is more of an adaptation-styled director. Putting things that are already in print, on film. Look at 300 and Watchmen, they aren't interpretations of those stories, they're dead on adaptations.

I dont understand why ppl try to label Snyder this way. Just because he made 300 and Watchmen?

First of all, Snyder is a DIRECTOR. And a pretty good one.

Besides, sorry for everyone who desagree, but adapt Watchmen is much more difficult than Superman.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I totally agree. Snyder is my favorite director to make a Superman film for a long time, i said that few times around these boards.

I would agree just as long as he doesn't over do that slow motion fighting like he did in 300.