The Official Flash thread

[yenaled]

The Wally family was fine under Peyer, Waid just didn't grasp it correctly.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I believe Waid was on the 'team' that was planning to recton the Superman and Lois marriage a while back but management decided against it. They were going to do something like Supes making a deal with Mr. Mxy to undo it. I remember reading this awhile back, not sure where, so I might be mistaken though. Morrison is the only other one I remember being on that, too

 

[BlackLantern]

I'm talking about the guy who doesn't want Supes Married to Lois. The guy who probably sacraficed a baby to thank Joey Q for breaking up the Spidey Marriage. The guy who said he has no problem with Reed and Sue though.

Reed and Sue started their run as a couple though so the conditions are a bit different...I'm not a fan of Superman and Lois being married, but I don't read Superman so I don't care all that much

putting it bluntly....the fanboys would throw a ****fit if Bruce Wayne got married, so why all of a sudden is the fandom all marriage happy??

 

[Tron Bonne]

putting it bluntly....the fanboys would throw a ****fit if Bruce Wayne got married, so why all of a sudden is the fandom all marriage happy??

It's a different situation I think. I mean Spidey and Supes have had those love interests for years and marriage just isn't that far fetched. Batman never really had that. He's always swapping between Catwoman or Talia or some other chick. Plus, the way Batman has been written in the last few years, Batman is the man, Bruce is the disguise. I doubt there's many women, or people for that matter, who could stand being permantly married with that.

It could work though, but I think throwing a *****fit the other way is just as irrational

 

[BrianWilly]

Google yields its treasures.

I’ve read a few speculations over the years about how we were going to use that proposal to end the Supeman/Lois Lane marriage. In fact that was actually something we decided we didn’t want to do. I remember Mark Waid and the guys and all of us sitting around thinking of ways to end the Superman marriage – and we talked about it for a long time, and we got to where we were talking about things like “memory molecules,” and we finally said, “This is ridiculous! The only way to do this is to keep the marriage and make it work!”

It was the only thing we could do with what I still think was a bad idea. The marriage damaged the dynamic of Superman comics quite severely, but if we broke up the relationship of these two great fictional lovers, Superman would immediately seem ineffectual and ultimately beaten by his foes, walking around for the rest of his life not knowing Lois was ever his wife or whatever.

So we opted to keep Lois Lane and the marriage intact. It’s kind of an interesting reflection of what recently happened in Spider-Man, where they did choose to magically unmarry the hero to predictable howls of protest. Then again, I actually think they’ll be able to make that one work if they just grit their teeth for a couple of years until the new status quo becomes accepted, so who knows?

Well. There goes the rest of my idealism.

 

[Anubis]

First of all, Batman fanboys and comic fans are two different types of animal. Who knows how they would react.

Secondly, if, like Wally and Linda, Bat's had been together in a relationship with this chick for years. She knows all his s**t and he knows all her s**t, then i'm sure most comic fans wouldn't mind. But if you pull some bulls**t like they pulled with BP and Storm, where they retconned in a relationship and then, out of the blue, after having not even seen each other in years, up and get married? Then that would be hated and spit upon. And with good reason. It's not the marriage man, it's the how and the why.

Say what you want about Supes and Lois getting married cuz they got hitched in the show, they had a relationship for almost 70 years. It should have happened years before anyway.

 

[BrianWilly]

putting it bluntly....the fanboys would throw a ****fit if Bruce Wayne got married, so why all of a sudden is the fandom all marriage happy??

You're asking...why something that might make people happy about one character would make the same people angry if it were applied to another, completely different character? Forreal?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Google yields its treasures.
Well. There goes the rest of my idealism.

I guess that was what I thinking of then. I was thinking that they were going to do it but the office upstairs basically shunted them on it.

 

[BlackLantern]

I'm not saying dissolve it....just ignore it....or beat it into the background....have 1 page of superman/lois domestic for every 20 pages of story

 

[Tron Bonne]

I'm not saying dissolve it....just ignore it....or beat it into the background....have 1 page of superman/lois domestic for every 20 pages of story

It's not as if you have to have every issue relate to the marriage in some way.

 

[BlackLantern]

It's not as if you have to have every issue relate to the marriage in some way.

but for some reason, it tends to gravitate that way....happened in Flash, happened in Spider-Man

 

[Tron Bonne]

That's true, but I think that's more the fault of the writers as opposed to the marriage itself. For some reason it seems like a lot of comic writers struggle so hard with separating the two. I mean you can't just ignore it, you have to acknowledge and you will have issues that are marriage heavy, but it doesn't have to be that way all the time.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

but for some reason, it tends to gravitate that way....happened in Flash, happened in Spider-Man

I didn't notice that in either of those comics except for short stretches. Spider-Man and MJ were married for decades and it formed the basis of some stories, but far, far more often than not, it was Spider-Man going off to fight random villain as the main plot of every issue. The only consistent references to the marriage were Peter worrying about whether he'd make it home to MJ or worrying about breaking dates with her or other soap opera things that the anti-marriage camp claimed to want anyway.

Wally and Linda? It was even less of a deal there. The marriage remained nicely contained in subplots except for the marriage itself, one arc with Kobra, and the basis of the whole Dark Flash thing.

 

[Spike_x1]

First of all, Batman fanboys and comic fans are two different types of animal. Who knows how they would react.

Secondly, if, like Wally and Linda, Bat's had been together in a relationship with this chick for years. She knows all his s**t and he knows all her s**t, then i'm sure most comic fans wouldn't mind. But if you pull some bulls**t like they pulled with BP and Storm, where they retconned in a relationship and then, out of the blue, after having not even seen each other in years, up and get married? Then that would be hated and spit upon. And with good reason. It's not the marriage man, it's the how and the why.

Say what you want about Supes and Lois getting married cuz they got hitched in the show, they had a relationship for almost 70 years. It should have happened years before anyway.

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[Kevin Smith]

I read Flash all throughout the 90's and the early 00's, I think Rebirth is ok I don't think it's anything monumental but I think people are being too harsh on it just because it doesn't cater to their personal preferences. Just like with that other series from a few years back what was it called it again? oh yeah Green Lantern: Rebirth. I find it more interesting than reading about Wally and Linda's kids in the Flash version of The Incredibles every month even if Johns does get repetitive at times.

Hell to the yeah about everything you just said. I am so glad I don't have to sit thru anymore of those stories with the speed brats. Rebirth will hopefully do some good for Wally too, real Wally has been gone for sometime, I kinda hope this is Wally's rebirthing as well. Ever since they gave him the secret identity thing, IMO, the real Wally has been gone. At least he gets his own costume now. Red and silver is the way to go, similar to Barry's pattern except no white circle behind the lightning bolt.

And I was looking up the reviews for GL: Rebirth back in the day, and boy, it's like deja vu! People were talking about that like Flash: Rebirth too.
I think Flash: Rebirth has been pretty good so far. I'm a longtime Flash fan, and I think sometimes my "superior knowledge" prevents me from enjoying certain books. If you're coming onto this as a new reader it's ****ing great. I let my younger bro, who thinks Flash is the shallow, walking punchline Barry/Wally hybrid he was on JL/JLU read it and he really liked it. I like it too, it's just if anything I feel that for such a fast character the first two issues were kinda slow starting off. I felt the third issue read too fast the first time I read thru it, the second time I read it I was overthinking everything, the third time I read it I left all preconceptions at the door and I really enjoyed it. I can't wait for #4 and for Barry to be himself again.

One minor bit tho, I appreciate the bow tie explanation in the second ish, it's works, but just because it's been explained does NOT mean that I want to see Barry wearing bow ties all the time now. I thought his outfit in Rebirth #1 was exactly what he should be wearing. Fits the forensics look. I don't want to see him wearing a bow tie, even if there is an explanation for it. I didn't mind Iris getting himn the red one in #3, mostly because of the "thought you'd look better in red" line, but I'd appreciate it if we got less of the bow tie thing. That was the style back in the late 50s/early 60s, and a lot of characters wore them, including Hal Jordan and Wally West. There's no need for it to become a sort of running (pardon the pun heheh) gag with Barry, IMO.

I keep waiting to see the explanation for the haircut. Barry is slow and "lazy" so he keeps his hair short so he doesn't have to waste much time on it, and it fits better under the cowl than Wally's male model do.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Hell to the yeah about everything you just said. I am so glad I don't have to sit thru anymore of those stories with the speed brats. Rebirth will hopefully do some good for Wally too, real Wally has been gone for sometime, I kinda hope this is Wally's rebirthing as well. Ever since they gave him the secret identity thing, IMO, the real Wally has been gone. At least he gets his own costume now. Red and silver is the way to go, similar to Barry's pattern except no white circle behind the lightning bolt.

I think that would be nice, but to be quite honest, I really doubt that's going to happen. Personally I didn't have a problem with Wally as he is, but after Rebirth I'd say Wally's character is probably in for a rough road. The best we can hope for is him becoming a separate superhero idenitity, but most likely he's either going to get minimized to point of nothing or he's going to be bumped around for ages until someone finds a good spot for him

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I expect him to be relegated to the Titans, subplots in the Flash series, and maybe an occasional one-shot or mini. I'll gladly buy the one-shots and minis, at least. I've accepted that the DC universe is changing into something that isn't necessarily for readers like me, so I'm not too broken up about it anymore. So long as Wally's still around--which I think he will be since Johns seems to like him despite his not being the Great and Wonderful Barry Allen--I'm cool.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I expect him to be relegated to the Titans, subplots in the Flash series, and maybe an occasional one-shot or mini. I'll gladly buy the one-shots and minis, at least. I've accepted that the DC universe is changing into something that isn't necessarily for readers like me, so I'm not too broken up about it anymore. So long as Wally's still around--which I think he will be since Johns seems to like him despite his not being the Great and Wonderful Barry Allen--I'm cool.

Isn't Titans awful, though

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It was when I tried it. I hear it still is.

 

[Prison Mike]

I read Rebirth issues 2 and 3 and I love this series now. I will keep reading this comic as far as I am concerned. btw, I'm a new Flash reader (I'm mostly a Marvel guy but decided to give DC a try).

 

[Kevin Smith]

I think that would be nice, but to be quite honest, I really doubt that's going to happen. Personally I didn't have a problem with Wally as he is, but after Rebirth I'd say Wally's character is probably in for a rough road. The best we can hope for is him becoming a separate superhero idenitity, but most likely he's either going to get minimized to point of nothing or he's going to be bumped around for ages until someone finds a good spot for him

Well, I can't imagine it being a much rougher road than theone he's been on the last few years.

But I think we'll see some good for Wally come out of Rebirth. I really do. His new suit will certainly be a new shot in the arm for him, to say the least. And he'll be more of his own man, IMO, and that's good.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I read Rebirth issues 2 and 3 and I love this series now. I will keep reading this comic as far as I am concerned. btw, I'm a new Flash reader (I'm mostly a Marvel guy but decided to give DC a try).

I'm with you, man.

I am definitely feeling it now. The problem before wa sthat I wasn't actually reading it, I was looking at the words and pictures and letting my preconceptions of what I thought it "should" be like prevent me from enjoying the story, much like many Trek fans did with the new Trek movie.

I just r-read Rogues' revenge and Flash: Rebirth #1-3 and let me tell you it is awesome. I love the story, I think it's great. I will be the first to come right out and say it, even though it isn't over yet, I already like it better than GL Rebirth. Leave your preconceptions and prejudices at the door and you will live the book. Stop comparing it to GL: Rebirth and you will enjoy it. GL: Rebirth was great but we aleady knew what had to happen to get Hal back in the suit if you know what I mean. We knew Parallax/Spectre had to go, so in a way it kinda had the storuy cut out. Not so with Flash: Rebirth. We were expecting Barry to be all fine and smiling about his return, when it's really the worst thing that could ever happen to him and an elaborate scheme against super speedsters everywhere. This is the stuff legends are made of, and Flash: Rebirth will be as beloved as GL: Rebirth when it's all said in done, IMHO. Look at some of the reviews of GL rebirth at the time and they're a lot like Flash: Rebirth, some even more cynical.

The people complaining that Barry's parents are dead and that the Rogues have vicious and violent bckgrounds need to shut the hell up. It's called good characterization and personality, character devlopment, so sit down and enjoy the ride. Things just got a whole lot more interesting.

 

[BrianWilly]

...Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?

 

[Anubis]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn F**k Barry Allen!

 

[Anubis]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn F**k Barry Allen!


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