The Official Goku/Justin Chatwin Thread

[DorkyFresh]

Consider that us making no sense of your posts is not our problem. Instead, the FAULT lies with YOU for being unable to articulate a coherent argument against Justin Chatwin.

i'd agree with you if you were right. unfortunately, for you, it seems like you're the only one here that doesn't seem to understand my arguments. others might not agree with them or like them, but at least they don't spin them or put words in my mouth like you have been.

I've encountered many SHH members with whom I disagree with, yet am able to concede points to in an argument. You, Dork, are far from being one them. It's not because I need language classes. It's because despite all your efforts to be a Devil's Advocate, you can only achieve the title of cynical moron.

resorting to name calling: what a poster does when they're losing control in a debate. if you want to be taken seriously, i'd suggest you leave the name calling out.

NEVER have you adequately answered to Goku being rather slender (LIKE Chatwin) in Dragonball.

not adequate enough for you, of course.

The only defense you have is "oh he looks like a skateboarder!!" That's petty. Is that all you have?

"Chatwin doesn't look like someone who has trained in martial arts" ......... Wait. Not everyone that trains in martial arts will lose their slender frame. That requires certain body sculpting. Some forms and styles cover that, while others......... not so much. Martial arts doesn't equate with the magical steroid you seem to think it is, Dorky.

correct...not everyone who trains in martial arts loses their initial build, but that's mostly only if they take martial arts lightly. the more dedicated and commited martial artists are more likely to have solid bodies. for example, Bruce Lee....a very skinny guy, but he was SOLID because he was a serious martial artist. Goku is supposed to be a martial artist with power that surpasses Bruce Lee's by thousands and even though a lot of that power comes from him just being an alien, he still has to move and train...and you don't exactly stay at Chatwin's build by training. even if you can find me a successful martial artist that has a build similar to Chatwin's all you'll have proven is that Chatwin has the build of ONE martial artist....hence, why i keep saying that Chatwin doesn't look like someone who has trained in martial arts. you won't find many martial artists that disagree with me.

There was nothing there for me to corrupt. You skewed them yourself.

Prefix pretty much hit the nail on the head.

You pretty much have no idea what this discussion is about.

not only are you attacking me, now you're being ugly with him even though he said nothing that should offend you! not to mention, he didn't post anything that indicated that he DOESN'T know what we're talking about. it's very obvious you don't know how to deal with people who oppose your opinion. i'd suggest taking a break from your computer and collecting your thoughts.

 

[TLH]

Oh, fight fight!

 

[DorkyFresh]

Its about you not liking what he has to say. So you try to twist his words around in order to discredit him. It's incredibly obvious.

good on ya. keep that head on those shoulders of yours.

I just got a headache reading all of this. Can't people just reserve judgment?

i think reserving judgment is just an excuse for holding onto hope. there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not for me. i used to reserve judgment because i never really cared for the inner workings of feature films but you can tell how a work of art is turning out by keeping track of the progress (or lack of). you don't need to wait until the finished product to form an opinion. it's perfectly fine to form an opinion while it's in development.

 

[TLH]

i think reserving judgment is just an excuse for holding onto hope. there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not for me. i used to reserve judgment because i never really cared for the inner workings of feature films but you can tell how a work of art is turning out by keeping track of the progress (or lack of). you don't need to wait until the finished product to form an opinion. it's perfectly fine to form an opinion while it's in development.

Sure, you don't need to...but tell that to all the suckers (including myself) who thought Spider-Man 3 was going to live up to its wicked trailer.

You can't form an opinion with much grounding until you have something concrete to base it on. If you don't like Chatwin, that's fine, but you won't even give him a chance. I have mixed emotions regarding him as Goku but he might work out fine. I have to see.

 

[CrashNburn]

justin will probably do just fine! let's all just give him a chance.

 

[TLH]

justin will probably do just fine! let's all just give him a chance.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Sure, you don't need to...but tell that to all the suckers (including myself) who thought Spider-Man 3 was going to live up to its wicked trailer.

SM3 is an entirely different monster. SM2 set the bar so high for so many fans that it was going to take a miracle to top. not to mention, the majority of fans were EXCITED about SM3 since everything seemed to be in line with what most of the fans wanted or willing to accept whereas a good chunk of fans have already expressed disinterest in the DB movie based on casting and the way they're handling the film.

You can't form an opinion with much grounding until you have some concrete to base it on. If you don't like Chatwin, that's fine, but you won't even give him a chance. I have mixed emotions regarding him as Goku but he might work out fine. I have to see.

why should i give him a chance when i, along with half of the DBZ fans on the net maybe even more, think he's totally wrong for the role? it's not as if a small handful think that way....it's at LEAST half of the fans. it would be like (insert bland, skinny actor) playing Superman. Routh might not've been as charismatic as Reeve, but at least he had screen presence and acting range. if they'd gotten someone similar to Chatwin to play Superman (even young Superman) i'm sure the boards would be a horrible mess.

i'm still giving Chatwin a chance...there's always the SLIGHT possibility that he'll win me over as Goku, but judging from my research on him....i seriously doubt it.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

resorting to name calling: what a poster does when they're losing control in a debate. if you want to be taken seriously, i'd suggest you leave the name calling out.

Are you too sensitive for that? You haven't witnessed me losing my cool. Insults... are a part of Flame War. Debates where insults are prohibited, frowned upon, shown as a sign of weakness, are in very controlled, very political enviroments. SHH isn't one of them, so we can really stretch our legs here.

correct...not everyone who trains in martial arts loses their initial build, but that's mostly only if they take martial arts lightly. the more dedicated and commited martial artists are more likely to have solid bodies. for example, Bruce Lee....a very skinny guy, but he was SOLID because he was a serious martial artist. Goku is supposed to be a martial artist with power that surpasses Bruce Lee's by thousands and even though a lot of that power comes from him just being an alien, he still has to move and train...and you don't exactly stay at Chatwin's build by training. even if you can find me a successful martial artist that has a build similar to Chatwin's all you'll have proven is that Chatwin has the build of ONE martial artist....hence, why i keep saying that Chatwin doesn't look like someone who has trained in martial arts. you won't find many martial artists that disagree with me.

The film is still shooting, and Goku is still starting off. He hasn't had much time so far to BE dedicated. You're still acting like this is the Saiyan Saga of DBZ or something. It's not.

Justin Chatwin must have ****ed in your cereal to merit all that distrust from you.

not only are you attacking me, now you're being ugly with him even though he said nothing that should offend you! not to mention, he didn't post anything that indicated that he DOESN'T know what we're talking about. it's very obvious you don't know how to deal with people who oppose your opinion. i'd suggest taking a break from your computer and collecting your thoughts.

Running out of steam? I'm wide awake, ready to do this all day if we have to.

That friend's response was so generic, I was starting to wonder if Prefix is your sock-puppet. You both have that one defining thing in common: Nothing new to bring to the table.

i'd agree with you if you were right. unfortunately, for you, it seems like you're the only one here that doesn't seem to understand my arguments. others might not agree with them or like them, but at least they don't spin them or put words in my mouth like you have been.

I understand (but disagree with) the argument itself (because it's near laughable). It has no foundation. The presentation of your argument? That's the gibberish part that means reasonable people will be more inclined to oppose your stance. The lack of coherency and reasonability is where you really started hurting yourself.

 

[TLH]

why should i give him a chance when i, along with half of the DBZ fans on the net maybe even more, think he's totally wrong for the role? it's not as if a small handful think that way....it's at LEAST half of the fans. it would be like (insert bland, skinny actor) playing Superman. Routh might not've been as charismatic as Reeve, but at least he had screen presence and acting range. if they'd gotten someone similar to Chatwin to play Superman (even young Superman) i'm sure the boards would be a horrible mess.

i'm still giving Chatwin a chance...there's always the SLIGHT possibility that he'll win me over as Goku, but judging from my research on him....i seriously doubt it.

And half of those fans are just agitates because he's not Asian (and I don't plan to get into this debate). I'd say a quarter of the fans aren't thrilled with the selection simply because they don't have faith in the actor.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Are you too sensitive for that? You haven't witnessed me losing my cool. Insults... are a part of Flame War. Debates where insults are prohibited, frowned upon, shown as a sign of weakness, are in very controlled, very political enviroments. SHH isn't one of them, so we can really stretch our legs here.

despite SHH not being a controlled debate forum, name calling is still a sign that the poster is taking things personally instead of looking at the topic of discussion rationally. there's no logical reason for name calling....it's an act of immaturity and/or desperation regardless of the situation.

The film is still shooting, and Goku is still starting off. He hasn't had much time so far to BE dedicated.

if the movie is anything like the cartoon then Goku will have been training in martial arts for years by the time Chatwin takes the screen. as for Chatwin not having time to be dedicated, he was announced as Goku in mid November and that picture of him with the sunglasses posing with locals was taken around late Jan/early Feb. that's a timespan of 2 and a half months. that's at least a whole month more than Ben Foster took to get his body ready for Archangel in X3. it's not ALL Chatwin's fault, because he really didn't have that long...but if Ben Foster can get the kind of body he did in 1 month then there's no reason Chatwin shouldn't have at LEAST a decent build.....regardless of whose fault it is.

That friend's response was so generic, I was starting to wonder if Prefix is your sock-puppet. You both have that one defining thing in common: Nothing new to bring to the table.

lol....because he called you out, he happens to be my friend huh? seriously dude.....go get some air.

I understand (but disagree with) the argument itself (because it's near laughable).

obviously you don't. you're constantly misinterpreting, misquoting, misunderstanding my posts and putting words in my mouth. i don't know why because most of the regulars here, even if they don't like my opinions, don't do that. it always seems like when someone's skewing and spinning my opinion to fit what they THINK my opinion is, it's because i have an opinion that doesn't coincide with theirs. it's obvious you don't share my opinion and it's obvious you're trying to discredit me just because you don't share it.....hence why you tried to make it seem like my arguments have no foundation when i've been clearly explaining my reasons for my opinions. however, i have yet to even read your opinion since this debate started. you seem to be so focused on attacking me and my opinions that you're losing focus on Goku and Chatwin being the topic of discussion. so congrats for taking this thread that was originally meant to discuss Goku and Chatwin and turning it into your personal vendetta to try discredit me. bravo!

 

[louiebling$]

Wait for a damn trailer or OFFICIAL PIC!!!

 

[barnface]

Alright, c'mon people. This is getting outta hand and fast. I think we should try and get back on to whatever topic we want, just avoid this present one. Dorkyfresh thinks Chatwin is the wrong man for Goku for his reasons (body build, skinny, etc.) and thats fine. Thats what a forum is for..to post ones thoughts. The others, like myself, disagree but theres no need to create a huge outrageous deal. Same to you, Dorkyfresh. This fight has been fighting since Chatwin was cast, so with that said..I think its just about time to lay it to rest.

Just my input. Maybe I'll get flamed, maybe not. Just thought maybe I'd throw my 2 cents in.

Peace.

 

[DorkyFresh]

And half of those fans are just agitates because he's not Asian (and I don't plan to get into this debate).

sure, there are a lot of fans that don't want him simply because he's not Asian...but just as many people are complaining about Chatwin being skinny. if you don't believe me all you have to do is look for other sites that discuss Chatwin as Goku.

I'd say a quarter of the fans aren't thrilled with the selection simply because they don't have faith in the actor.

i think it's that 1 quarter of the fans that seem to flat out be disappointed with Chatwin...and 3 quarters that aren't thrilled with Chatwin.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

if the movie is anything like the cartoon then Goku will have been training in martial arts for years by the time Chatwin takes the screen. as for Chatwin not having time to be dedicated, he was announced as Goku in mid November and that picture of him with the sunglasses posing with locals was taken around late Jan/early Feb. that's a timespan of 2 and a half months. that's at least a whole month more than Ben Foster took to get his body ready for Archangel in X3. it's not ALL Chatwin's fault, because he really didn't have that long...but if Ben Foster can get the kind of body he did in 1 month then there's no reason Chatwin shouldn't have at LEAST a decent build.....regardless of whose fault it is.

He's had since November. I've seen that photo before... paste it again, this time next to an example of another person with the physique you think Chatwin should have by now.

obviously you don't. you're constantly misinterpreting, misquoting, misunderstanding my posts and putting words in my mouth.

Point out an instance where I "misinterpreted".

I seem to be so focused on Deathstroke poking at my sensitive ego and my opinions that I'm losing focus on Goku and Chatwin being the topic of discussion. So I must forgive Chatwin for ****ing in my cereal and not continue being obnoxiously close-minded about his potential to do this iconic hero some justice. bravo!

What ever would you do if I wasn't here to fix the content.

 

[The Joker_1000]

i guess you missed the part of my post where i called him a committed actor...


not really. once again, you're comparing top actors like Bale and Jackman to a novice like Chatwin. just because the committed actors are willing to transform their bodies to the extreme doesn't mean a novice like Chatwin has the same will power.

I just think you want too much out of the role as far as the physique goes. This is the beginning, he doesn't have to be huge or look exactly like a martial artist because he'll be working up to that point. We have more than a year until the movie will be released & I'm sure Chatwin will have put on some considerable muscle mass by then.

 

[Adam]

NEWS: Justin Chatwin has been cast as Goku.
MORE NEWS: There's nothing you can do about it.

Sorry to say but nitpicking won't help anything.

 

[The Joker_1000]

For once I agree with you.

 

[Prefix]

NEWS: Justin Chatwin has been cast as Goku.
MORE NEWS: There's nothing you can do about it.

Sorry to say but nitpicking won't help anything.

But people can still express their opinion on the casting

 

[DorkyFresh]

He's had since November. I've seen that photo before... paste it again, this time next to an example of another person with the physique you think Chatwin should have by now.

i would, but unfortunately, immature posters like to make fun of those who post pictures of shirtless men....so i think i'll save myself the trouble. if you must know how i think Chatwin's build should have looked by the beginning of Feb then do a google search for "radcliffe equus". you should get pictures of Daniel Radcliffe (Harry Potter) in a play where he's shirtless (and bottomless) so be warned......but if Harry Potter can have a decent build then i don't see why a great martial artist like Goku can't.

Point out an instance where I "misinterpreted".

What ever would you do if I wasn't here to fix the content.

i think i'll stay clear from your personal issues this time. i'd like to get back on topic...

 

[The Joker_1000]

Dude, for one Goku is fictional, second of all, we haven't seen a picture of a shirtless Chatwin so it's pretty hard to say he hasn't done any working out. I'm sure he has.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

i would, but unfortunately, immature posters like to make fun of those who post pictures of shirtless men....so i think i'll save myself the trouble. if you must know how i think Chatwin's build should have looked by the beginning of Feb then do a google search for "radcliffe equus". you should get pictures of Daniel Radcliffe (Harry Potter) in a play where he's shirtless (and bottomless) so be warned......but if Harry Potter can have a decent build then i don't see why a great martial artist like Goku can't.

Harry Potter is pretty ripped! I'm curious as to the number of weeks that might have taken.

By the way: when secure enough about your sexuality to post half-naked guys for the sake of discussion, I'd like Ben Foster before & after X3 photos.

i think i'll stay clear from your personal issues this time. i'd like to get back on topic...

Well it looks like you're breaking. There have been several accusations from you that I've been misinterpreting opinions, yet when I demand an example, you're quick to avoid having to back up your own claims.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I just think you want too much out of the role as far as the physique goes. This is the beginning, he doesn't have to be huge or look exactly like a martial artist because he'll be working up to that point. We have more than a year until the movie will be released & I'm sure Chatwin will have put on some considerable muscle mass by then.

i can only hope that they take advantage of the delay and work on what's weak about the movie (that includes Chatwin's physique), but there's been no confirmation that they're going to even extend or delay filming/production. if they end up working the schedule out in a way that Chatwin can get into decent shape for most of the film then color me relieved, but even if a better build would lessen my disappointment, it still won't change my opinion that Chatwin is wrong for the role.

NEWS: Justin Chatwin has been cast as Goku.
MORE NEWS: There's nothing you can do about it.

that's not news.........that's already old.....

Sorry to say but nitpicking won't help anything.

analyzing isn't the same thing as nitpicking. once again...if you don't want to be a part of the conversation then you don't have to participate or even read it.

 

[The Joker_1000]

How do you know he's wrong for the role? Seriously, you whine too damn much. I could see if you said he was wrong for the role once & left it alone but damn, you don't stop nitpicking.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Dude, for one Goku is fictional

so is Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Iron Man, and Wolverine...what's your point?

second of all, we haven't seen a picture of a shirtless Chatwin so it's pretty hard to say he hasn't done any working out. I'm sure he has.

those pictures from a month ago are very telling. even if he wasn't shirtless, the shirt was tight enough to see his build and it was sleeveless so we can see he hardly gained any definition on his arms. i never said he hasn't been working out, i've simply been saying he looks as small as he did BEFORE he was cast.

Harry Potter is pretty ripped! I'm curious as to the number of weeks that might have taken.

i wouldn't be surprised if that's his natural physique, but even if he had to train 7 days a week for 6 months to get that body at least he was bright enough to realize that his body was going to be seen by millions of people and took the initiative to make sure it looked decent. like i said, i know it's not ALL Chatwin's fault that he had a small window of time but he still had enough time to get in DECENT shape if he was truly dedicated.

Well it looks like you're breaking. There have been several accusations from you that I've been misinterpreting opinions, yet when I demand an example, you're quick to avoid having to back up your own claims.

all you have to do is read the last few pages dude. i'm breaking from this particular issue because you started a personal arguement and i'm trying to get back on topic. if you still feel that strongly about it....you can take it to PMs.

 

[DorkyFresh]

How do you know he's wrong for the role?

have you not read ANYTHING from the last few pages?

Seriously, you whine too damn much. I could see if you said he was wrong for the role once & left it alone but damn, you don't stop nitpicking.

then, frankly, you don't need to be on message boards. these aren't the COMMENTS section from the articles on the front page. these boards were made for DISCUSSION. if you can't handle the heat then you have the option of putting me on ignore. in fact, i'd prefer it.