Gotham The Official Gotham News and discussion thread - Part 1

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Thanks man I hope it stays at 16. I'm getting tired of these 20+ episodes seasons where there are episode which are fillers and not really need when you're startnig up.

Don't know why they don't split the seasons in 2. Have 2, 12 episode storylines and a short mid season break in between them.

As for the ending being Bruce putting on the mask for the first time would be class. This isn't a Batman show, if they wanted to make one they could. We all know his story's. This is Gordans story. Also hope Joker doesn't appear, although they may hint at him. Or who he might be, but never anything definite.

Not sure why they have to show Ivy or Selene as kids. It might be interesting to see them growing up and how they came to be. Just hope this doesn't turn into a super hero Bugsy Malone.
 
I just don't think that can work. You need to have that piece on the board for more than just one scene. This entire series is essentially Gotham falling further and further down a pit of despair. You need to end with some hope/a victory. Bruce just putting on the mask isn't enough. You need to see Gordon and the better people in Gotham accept Batman as the helping hand they desperately need.
Then it would be a Batman show. This isn't Batman: The TV Series.
 
I just don't think that can work. You need to have that piece on the board for more than just one scene. This entire series is essentially Gotham falling further and further down a pit of despair. You need to end with some hope/a victory. Bruce just putting on the mask isn't enough. You need to see Gordon and the better people in Gotham accept Batman as the helping hand they desperately need.

Agreed. I mean it's pretty evident at this point to assume that despite all Gordon ends up doing during his youth, Gotham is going to still end up in the gutter at some point in the future, otherwise there wouldn't be a need for Bruce to become Batman.

Heck, one of the show's runners mentioned on how one of the goals is to show how the city reaches to the point where it'll eventually need a masked vigilante to save it.

So yeah, ending with just Bruce becoming Batman wouldn't be the best idea. Heck, even "Smallville" modified Miles and Gough's original ending where they allowed (story wise) for "Superman" to emerge and save the day in the series finale....rather than just doing a simple "shirt rip" as the only method of showing "Superman".
 
Then it would be a Batman show. This isn't Batman: The TV Series.
Bruce existing as Batman for more than one scene at the very end of the series makes the entire thing a Batman series?
 
Meh, I don't think this show can work in the long-term.

Just saying. Look at Smallville. They weren't able to play the long game with that show.
 
Bruce existing as Batman for more than one scene at the very end of the series makes the entire thing a Batman series?

Yeah man, WB will never let it happen.

This is the best you can hope for.

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Meh, I don't think this show can work in the long-term.

Just saying. Look at Smallville. They weren't able to play the long game with that show.

Oh, bull. Smallville (which, at ten years on the air, should be given a little more credit that you just gave it) could have easily worked a lot better than it did if it had better people at the helm from the word go.
 
I'm not wrong Sawyer, and deep down in your heart of hearts, you know I am right and true.

This isn't Arrow or The Flash. Also, seeing Bruce Wayne become Batman basically means the show will have to be on for like 15 years.

My problem with Smallville is the show was on for 10 years and it was on so long that it was becoming so ****ing ridiculous that he just wasn't Superman already. And when he does become Superman, it's a weak and cheap payoff. The show moved from Smallville to Metropolis, so it wasn't even really Smallville anymore. Is that what Gough and Miller had planned? I don't know what they planned because they left the show.

I think a lot of writers just don't know how to map out a show and really end it.
 
One thing that I can't get over is how close the actors on this show look to their comic book counterparts. I mean, talk about perfect casting when it comes to looks alone. And based on what we've seen so far of their performances, it seems like they have that dept nailed as well.
 
I just can't believe it's taken them this long to do Harvey Bullock in live action.
 
I'm not wrong Sawyer, and deep down in your heart of hearts, you know I am right and true.

This isn't Arrow or The Flash. Also, seeing Bruce Wayne become Batman basically means the show will have to be on for like 15 years.

Only if the writers refuse to utilize time jumps.

My problem with Smallville is the show was on for 10 years and it was on so long that it was becoming so ****ing ridiculous that he just wasn't Superman already. And when he does become Superman, it's a weak and cheap payoff. The show moved from Smallville to Metropolis, so it wasn't even really Smallville anymore. Is that what Gough and Miller had planned? I don't know what they planned because they left the show.

But the show's not really about Bruce Wayne. It's Gordon's show. Bruce is just a side character. We won't have to wait years to get to the good stuff because Gordon will be squaring off against interesting villains from Day 1.

I think a lot of writers just don't know how to map out a show and really end it.

Bruno Heller has claimed in the past that he has Gotham's story arcs over several seasons already planned out. He may be exaggerating a bit but I don't doubt he knows where he wants to take the show.
 
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/09/18/t...ertainment+Weekly/EW.com's:+Hollywood+Insider)
The Riddler on 'Gotham' villain theories and going green
By Marc Snetiker on Sep 18, 2014 at 12:53PM

The first season of Fox’s ambitious new comic-book drama Gotham is all about the Penguin’s rise to power, but there’s another would-be villain lurking in the shadows. Cory Michael Smith plays Ed Nygma, the man who will become Gotham City’s quiz-happy Riddler… eventually.

For now, Ed’s a forensic scientist working with Gotham PD, which adds a twist of intrigue to his inevitable transformation into villainy. On the show’s Brooklyn set, EW sat down with Smith to get a hint of what we can expect from his Riddler.

EW: How do other Riddlers come into play for your interpretation?
CORY MICHAEL SMITH: Well, there’s Frank Gorshin, of course, whose performance was lauded. I’ve seen clips of him and his work, and I have great respect for his contribution to that show and how celebrated it is, but I certainly haven’t watched enough that it would actually impact the choices I make. And I never watched Batman Forever so I haven’t seen Jim Carrey’s performance.

No way. You never saw Carrey as the Riddler?
The thing is, he’s one of my idols! I love him, I think he’s brilliant, and as a kid he was a huge reason why I wanted to be an actor. But I’ve never seen Batman Forever. And I think it was really just the universe telling me not to watch it because this is my fate. [Laughs] I’m essentially paying most attention to the comics.

Are all the actors on Gotham frequently turning back to the comics?
I think a lot of people are. I certainly am. I’m not obsessing over them, but I’m letting them inform my work. But the thing is, this is a unique way of telling Batman and I’m trusting Bruno [Heller] and our producers and everybody in the cast. Our writers have a trajectory for us. They’re going to make choices that might contradict someone’s idea of the mythology of the Riddler, but this is the show that I’m doing and this is the person that I’m creating. The thing about the comics, too, is they span such a vast period of time that they kind of contradict each other a lot. You see a comic and you’re like, “Oh wow, the Riddler has been drawn this way and he’s been drawn that way.” There are tons of looks and his personality changes based on who’s writing them. So to me, some people might have a favorite version of the Riddler—this is just the Riddler that I’m doing.

What are Ed’s ambitions? What’s his trajectory?
I think you’re dealing with someone that knows that he’s the smartest person in the room and knows he’s brilliant and has great contributions, and feels that he could just run the f–king show. Sometimes it’s very frustrating when he’s not allowed to do things, and we’ll see him start to get more leeway and his superiors will start to recognize his genius in giving him other responsibilities. I think Ed just wants to be a part of stuff. He wants to show off his knowledge. He wants to help. He has answers. And he has answers before everyone else, so that’s why he asks questions—he challenges other people, like, ‘Figure this out.’

You definitely seem to have a “Riddler voice,” if you will. What’s the approach there?
As he gains power and as he gets a little bit older and more secure and adventurous, it’ll change, as it does with every human. The more comfortable and powerful you are, your voice starts to drop. I want to make sure that Ed is starting far away from where he’s going to go. So it’s a very playful voice. It’s in my tenor.

The first season reflects the Penguin’s rise to villainy, but how much of the Riddler’s evolution will we see?
I’m going to be in the police department for a while. These crazy crimes are happening in Gotham—slightly theatrical and awesome and very much honoring the adventurousness of the comic books. Everyone else is taking it so seriously because they’re the police and they want to solve the crime, but Ed’s kind of getting caught up in how cool this s–t is. I mean, some of these crimes are just fascinating. Just fascinating. And that’s what Ed loves.

So his trajectory seems to be this combination of nobody recognizing his genius and a fascination with the macabre. So it’s the story of an undervalued employee…
Yeah. An underappreciated, mistreated, misunderstood guy. And adding in to all that mix, here’s a guy with some social disorder. He’s not necessarily equipped with the interpersonal skills that would lead to calm workplace environment interaction.

What about his family life?
I hope he’s not married or else this fool doesn’t wear a ring and she’d be pissed. [Laughs] The thing about origin stories is that family is actually very important, and I think we’re going to see everyone’s family, or lack thereof. I don’t know what’s a bigger influence on anyone’s life. So I think we’re going to check in with everybody—where they come from, who is around them, their influences. In the comics, they do reflect back on Ed’s relationship with his father in particular, so I hope that that’s honored in the series.

Are there questions you’ve asked about the Riddler that only you and Bruno know?
I certainly haven’t made definitive requests. I have a vague idea of where they want to go, and I know certain things that help me. But not a lot of specifics. It’s kind of fun not knowing. This, for me, is the difference between doing theatre/film and doing television. You work on a play or movie, you have the whole script, so you’re constructing a performance based on the bible that you have. In TV, you don’t, so to actually invest in that and let that be the exciting part is terrifying, and certainly leaves room for mistakes, looking back. “Oh, f–k, I wish I would have known that!”

The Penguin has his iconic style. Is the Riddler’s green going to make an appearance?
Yes. Slightly. You can see, I’m pretty muted, my colors right now. I have a lot of maroons. [He gestures to his tie, and then to his Ed Nygma ID card.] My birth date, April Fool’s, 1988. Making me younger than I am, I totally appreciate it. But yeah, I have some really sweet custom-made suits, and they’re a lot of these dirty greens, golds, grays. It’s very muted gray-green-gold. And then I’ll have shots of color. And then my socks are purple polka dots. Always.

What’s your favorite riddle you’ve told so far?
I haven’t told that many riddles yet. I’ve been trying to, every now and then, come up with a riddle and put it on my Twitter. That’s actually been fun, because some people guess it. And I’ve been coming up with them! I’ve been making Cory originals.

Where do you think we’ll be with the Riddler by the end of the season?
I don’t know exactly. I’m going to be in the police department for a while, and I’m stoked about that because in terms of story, that leaves so many possibilities. It’s very Dexter of me to be potentially playing both sides. Learning the police department to such a degree that I know how to manipulate the system. So there’s a lot of potential.

What do you make of these fan theories about other villains coming on, like the Joker or Mr. Freeze?
I hope people continue to ask those questions. Anyone could be anyone. The city is littered with dangerous people, and so anybody could potentially be a major player eventually.

Gotham premieres Monday, Sept. 22 at 8 p.m. on Fox.
 
That rings pretty close to "Untitled The Dark Knight Sequel" fanfiction, back when everyone assumed Riddler would be the villain.
 
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http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2014/09/18/looking-back-at-gotham-central
Looking Back at Gotham Central
Thu, 09/18/2014 - 10:00am
Author: Tim Beedle

Next Monday, the eagerly awaited Gotham will make its debut. A television prequel series set in the city of Gotham right after the murder of Bruce Wayne’s parents, it tells the story of how many of Gotham’s most famous criminals came to power, ultimately requiring a hero like Batman.

Gotham is set well within the Batman universe and will play with much of the same mythology. But with many years to go before the young Bruce Wayne will take up the cowl, the Dark Knight’s story will largely be kept to the periphery. Instead, Gotham focuses on the newly transferred Detective Jim Gordon and his partner, the far less idealistic Harvey Bullock, as well as some of the other officers of the Gotham City Police Department. It’s a unique take for something that most people are viewing as a “Batman show,” and you may be wondering how it’s going to work. If so, you may want to take a look at a DC Comics series from about ten years ago: Gotham Central.

Debuting in December, 2002, Gotham Central tells the story of the men and women of the GCPD from their point of view. Arguably one of DC Comics’ most underappreciated books at the time, Gotham Central ran for 40 issues, was extremely forward thinking in its approach to characterization and has gone on to become a favorite of many readers and creators.

Gotham Central was written by Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker, who at the time had been endearing themselves to Batman fans with their runs on Detective Comics and Batman, respectively. It was drawn largely by Michael Lark, with other artists including Steve Lieber, Kano and Stefano Gaudiano pitching in. The idea with Gotham Central was to bring elements of police procedurals to comics, while also telling Gotham’s story from a different point of view, looking at what it might be like working to enforce the law in Gotham while there’s a masked super hero in the city doing the same thing and getting most of the credit for it. The series sought to give us a sense of how law enforcement looked at Batman, providing an answer rich in depth that wasn’t at all black and white. It also revealed the ways that Batman would impact the work that the GCPD was doing, often taking evidence or impeding their work in favor of his. Batman’s methods may ultimately serve the greater good, but could you blame the detectives on the case for being angry with him?

Many of the characters in Gotham Central were cops who had already been established in comics—Harvey Bullock, Maggie Sawyer, Crispin Allen, Renee Montoya and Jim Corrigan, to name a few. However, Gotham Central delved far deeper into their lives, motivations and beliefs than any series before, often blazing new ground with the characters. One Eisner and Harvey-winning storyline, Rucka’s “Half a Life,” was unflinching in its portrayal of prejudice after Detective Montoya is outed as a lesbian, while Harvey Bullock’s narrative had him trying desperately, even poignantly, to recover from professional disgrace.

Many storylines in the series were standouts. Besides the aforementioned “Half a Life,” there was also “Soft Targets,” which inserted real world fears into a Joker-on-a-rampage story resulting in one of the most terrifying Joker tales ever written. “Life is Full of Disappointments” experimented by telling the story of a single case through three different points of view over three different issues. “Corrigan” was an unflinching tale of corruption that capped off the series on a note that seemed to suggest Gotham may be too far gone to save from within the system.

Gotham Central shares a focus and many core characters with the upcoming Gotham TV series, but the show’s not an adaptation and the two have some key differences. Gotham takes place before there’s a Dark Knight, while Batman and his rogues are running strong throughout Gotham Central. The comic book also doesn’t shy away from super powers and other more “colorful” aspects of Batman’s world, something we don’t suspect we’ll see too much of on Gotham. However, the biggest difference may be in Gotham’s protagonist. Jim Gordon is relegated to a far more supporting role in Gotham Central, and when he does show up, he’s neither a detective nor the more familiar commissioner—he’s retired. This was due to “Officer Down,” an earlier storyline (also co-written by Brubaker and Rucka) in which he was shot on the job. As a result, the GCPD in Gotham Central and other Bat-books of the era was overseen by Commissioner Michael Akins, a man who is far less trusting of Batman than his predecessor.

Differences aside, fans of both Batman and good, hard boiled police stories will find much to like in Gotham Central, and the book’s relatively brief run makes it easy enough to collect. It’s available in print in four volumes, or between now and September 22, you can take advantage of the DC Digital Comic Store’s currently ongoing Gotham Central Sale, in which all 40 issues of the comic are available digitally for 99 cents each. (The sale also includes other key storylines from the era, including the aforementioned “Officer Down” and the iconic “No Man’s Land.”)

Gotham premieres on FOX on Monday, September 22 at 8 p.m. (9 p.m. CST). If you’re reading this, we suspect you’re going to watch. But hopefully, we’ve given you an idea for something else to read between now and then!
 
Thanks man I hope it stays at 16. I'm getting tired of these 20+ episodes seasons where there are episode which are fillers and not really need when you're startnig up.

There won't BE any filler on this show because it's entirely serialized.
 
First clips from the pilot!:yay:


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Looks good to me...LOVE the atmosphere.
 
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