The Official Green Lantern Review Thread - Part 3

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I go into films expecting them to be good, screw the sequel. They should be focusing on making the first film the best it can be. I too am tired of the "sequel will be better" people.

A GL film where Sinestro is the good guy and actually ends up respecting and admiring Hal, is no GL film.

I want a sequel so that they can tell a real GL story.
 
Eh, I don't ever think that that goofy big head ever would have worked. I just hated the character design. Now I can do with heros or villains have less than ideal threads but I can't deal with the big head silliness. I just can't.

The head looked silly, but if he was a better character, I think that wouldn't have mattered. I think the head is more of an issue given the weak character. The design doesn't help, of course. But, I can forgive such things if I am offered good story.
 
There was alot of fat around the edges. I keep mentioning the scene with Hal's nephew, it just seems superfluous. He's not mentioned or seen again in the movie.
It showed a side of Hal that most wouldn't expect...the guy was good with kids. It adds depth to the character.

Plus,
that's where he got the idea for the racetrack that saves Tim Robbins during the helicopter crash.
 
A GL film where Sinestro is the good guy and actually ends up respecting and admiring Hal, is no GL film.

I want a sequel so that they can tell a real GL story.

The fact he respected Hal at the end like he did made the ending all the more confusing for me.
 
Just saw it.

There was nothing that downright offended me in the movie, but ... It was extremely ho-hum. I'll probably forget about this movie within a week.
 
It didn't need 30 more minutes of character development. What it needed was to maxmize the screentime of the characters in the film better than it did and add some depth here and there. I think 10 more minutes, some dialogue rewrites, and an altered end sequence would have made this great. As it stands, it's entertaining but nothing more.

You know what I agree with that. You know they gave all sinestro's scenes with Hal to Tomar-Re. And cut all those poignant moments with hal and his father which is how it was supposed to start, not condense everything into a choppy flashback. In the script I read his father had the gravitas of uncle ben/pa kent in the movie he was barely a footnote.
 
I 100% agree. Also, I don't buy that those 3 grew up together solely because they all look vastly different in age. Plus, Carrol acts like she didn't see Hector in years in the 1 scene she has with him, and then Hector talks about always being in love with her but Hal always being in the way. Wasn't it just said you hadn't seen each other in years? I also feel like the romance subplot was very thin/shallow. More could have been done with it. It plays out like a cliche.

I didn't see it as an actual romance that Hal got in the way of...I saw Hammond as a delusional loser who lusted after her from afar and blamed Hal for his own shortcomings.
 
Just got back from the movie. I did enjoy it, though there are disappointments.

I already knew that the rest of the Corps didn't get much screen time, and that is upsetting. I was excited to see them on their way to face Parallax, but when the fight began it looked and sounded like a video game.

When Hal reached Oa, Tomar Re began explaining a few things to him. Yet to Hal's surprise, he already knew much of it because the ring taught him. But, when Tomar Re welcomed him to the planet, Hal didn't know where he was, neither did he know who the Guardians were. Did the ring forget to teach him that part? He knew about all the sectors and species in existence, but didn't know what Oa nor the Guardians were? That didn't make sense.

I thought the acting was fine, I even thought Tom was fine. I enjoyed the fight scenes between Hal and Hector, and Hal and Parallax. I especially liked it when Hal repeated the oath while holding back Parallax.

When the movie was over, 7/8 of the people left the theater without seeing the post credit scene.
After the post credit scene, I heard a woman asking her husband why Sinestro did that, which not knowing the mythology it would be quite confusing since Sinestro never showed any signs of turning.

The music was meh as others have said. I enjoyed the humor, but there was one scene where people laughed that I don't think was supposed to be funny...where Hector came out in his wheel chair to face Hal.
 
You know what I agree with that. You know they gave all sinestro's scenes with Hal to Tomar-Re. And cut all those poignant moments with hal and his father which is how it was supposed to start, not condense everything into a choppy flashback. In the script I read his father had the gravitas of uncle ben/pa kent in the movie he was barely a footnote.

If that is the case, that change is stupid. I think starting the journey with Hal and not even showing us what happened to Abin Sur works better. Had we followed Hal to that point THEN been introduced to the Green Lantern Corps when the ring finds him, that would have worked better. Plus, it would add mystery as to what is going on (what did this to Abin Sur, etc). More mystery, more options, better writing. Plus, would have added depth to Hal.
 
I 100% agree. Also, I don't buy that those 3 grew up together solely because they all look vastly different in age. Plus, Carrol acts like she didn't see Hector in years in the 1 scene she has with him, and then Hector talks about always being in love with her but Hal always being in the way. Wasn't it just said you hadn't seen each other in years? I also feel like the romance subplot was very thin/shallow. More could have been done with it. It plays out like a cliche.
Does anyone buy that they grew up together? Sarsgard is made to look like he is in his 40's in the worst way and I'm assuming Hal and Carol are 28 to 30 years old.
 
You know what I agree with that. You know they gave all sinestro's scenes with Hal to Tomar-Re. And cut all those poignant moments with hal and his father which is how it was supposed to start, not condense everything into a choppy flashback. In the script I read his father had the gravitas of uncle ben/pa kent in the movie he was barely a footnote.

That's the whole problem right there. It's just thrown in there but it's so paper thin, you never buy this Hal is super afraid stuff.
 
Clocking in at one hour and forty-five minutes (which felt much longer), I think it's safe to say that "Green Lantern" is an unmitigated disaster. It's hard to even say what's wrong with the film. Pacing, acting, story, effects and editing were all atrocious.

First off, the introduction with Clancy Brown escaping the lost sector should have been cut. Not only would WB have saved a few million in the process, the audience would have been saved from unneeded exposition. CGI videogame characters being killed is the starting stinger for the movie? Not the best decision.

The rest of the introduction felt like the beginning of David Lynch's Dune. Odd story, odd characters, and the audience is thrown directly into the absurd and fake. The scenes on Oa reek of Dune, especially the Toto inspired sci-fi soundtrack. It came off as strange (not in a good alien/Star Wars way).

The characterization was even worse, Ryan Reynolds has no character arc, that's pretty strange for a superhero origin movie. Hal Jordan starts the movie off as a cocky careless pilot, and ends as a cocky careless Green Lantern. He even uses the same trick on Paralax as he did with the fighter jets. Blake Lively, when she's not flashing naked pictures of herself, is just painful to watch. Peter Sarsgaard came off as a screaming/crying John Carpenter, and Mark Strong was surprisingly under-utilized. The only wholesome scene was between Hal and his nephew, but that was short lived.

The SFX seemed overly fake and unnecessary. It took the effects team that long and that much to make that!? The guardians, shoehorned Tomar-Re and Kilowog, Oa, and worthless extra corps members distracted from the entire story as a whole. I understand that WB wanted to capitalize on Iron Man and Avatar, but this took none of the positive aspects of either film.

In the end I don't blame Martin Campbell, this was his first SFX heavy film and was forced to become a "yes" man. I blame WB, Geoff Johns, Michael Goldenberg and the CGI team. This played out like a comic (specifically Secret Origin) and not a movie. This should have been a character study of a broken man (Hal Jordan) finding the willpower in himself to rise to the occasion of joining something bigger than himself.

Here's what I would have changed:

1. Cut out the beginning and cringe worthy CGI on Oa, simply set the movie on Earth and ground it in the real world.

2. Give Hal Jordan a practical suit and domino mask, use post to make it glow.

3. Carol Ferris and Hal need a "can you read my mind" flying scene ala Superman: The Movie. Cut out the conversations they have that's painfully similar to Val Kilmer and Nicole Kidman in Batman Forever. Get rid of Blake Lively and find a real actress we can connect with.

4. Hal Jordan should be a raging alcoholic with past personal demons. After a drunken night out on the town, he stumbles across Abin Sur (think purple space Jesus). Paralax uses Hal's fears and demons to temporarily overwhelm him.

5. When Hal is confronted in the hangar without his ring, he should have used his "inner light" to defeat Paralax. The power of the ring is worthless without the man behind it. The ring simply amplifies the light/courage inside of us. He says to oath as he's about to die and the Green Lantern suit burns through his regular clothes as he becomes the new Christ. Hell, they did this in the Sorcerer's Apprentice with Merlin's ring.

6. Either use Marc Strong or don't. He was under-utilized as Sinestro.

7. Have a real THEME! The temp music was not memorable and uninspired.

8. It should have a Matrix-esque ending where Hal Jordan has fully become Jesus/ The Green Lantern. Cue fly-by and rock music. END.
 
I enjoyed the humor, but there was one scene where people laughed that I don't think was supposed to be funny...where Hector came out in his wheel chair to face Hal.

I laughed. :(

It looked funny, okay! :hehe:
 
I didn't see it as an actual romance that Hal got in the way of...I saw Hammond as a delusional loser who lusted after her from afar and blamed Hal for his own shortcomings.

I think that is what they were going for, but it still felt lacking to me. I wish they had expanded upon why Hector was like that a bit more (outside of having a pushy father). The ring chose Hal as the champion of will, and though an accident, Hector becomes a harbinger of fear. Understanding how fear drives him better would have made him a better villain.
 
Does anyone buy that they grew up together? Sarsgard is made to look like he is in his 40's in the worst way and I'm assuming Hal and Carol are 28 to 30 years old.

EXACTLY! How can I buy that they grew up together when Hal and Carrol look young and attractive, while Hector is balding and clearly in his 40s?
 
I go into films expecting them to be good, screw the sequel. They should be focusing on making the first film the best it can be. I too am tired of the "sequel will be better" people.

I feel movies should earn sequels...either quality-wise, or financially. Not be given one as a second chance after dropping the first one. But again, I can see how a fan wouldn't want their character to be left out...so they'd be looking for some more slack. But man...movies take a crapload of money and time to make, and have a very short shelf-life...and the film-fan part of me would like to see those resources put towards other films that are more creatively-driven than market-driven. Obviously, all movies want to make money...but comics will always have comics and other media to keep going, whereas other projects that are conceived only as movies, and might be really good, may not get the chance/support because a studio is trying to salvage a franchise that's gone sour. But that may be asking too much in its own way too.
 
Did anyone laugh out loud when that heavy lady tripped and the GL saved her? Her scream was hilarious
 
EXACTLY! How can I buy that they grew up together when Hal and Carrol look young and attractive, while Hector is balding and clearly in his 40s?

Are all of your friends the same age? I grew up with a wide range of friends....I just saw him as a the older nerd who was looked up to by them when younger, but as they aged and matured they saw him for the pathetic loser he was and grew apart. They didn't become enemies...just distant.
 
EXACTLY! How can I buy that they grew up together when Hal and Carrol look young and attractive, while Hector is balding and clearly in his 40s?
There is a way to make a man look unattractive without making him look a decade older than his co-stars. Some young men do look way older than their ages but films are a visual medium so unless you make up a quick explaination that he just looks like s**t for a 30 year old, the three characters growing up together doesn't make a lick of sense.

What did he babysit them when he was 13 or 14 years old?
 
EXACTLY! How can I buy that they grew up together when Hal and Carrol look young and attractive, while Hector is balding and clearly in his 40s?

They don't have to have grown up together. All three of their Fathers worked together and knew each other. Hal and Carol have the closer relationship because they work in the same field.
 
Are all of your friends the same age? I grew up with a wide range of friends....I just saw him as a the older nerd who was looked up to by them when younger, but as they aged and matured they saw him for the pathetic loser he was and grew apart. They didn't become enemies...just distant.

For friends I grew up with, I was at most 3 years apart from them. Hector looked way older. My friends NOW, I have more age range, but that is college years and such. In this case, I think they grew up together. At least, that is how it sounded. I can see what they were trying to do with Hector, I just feel like more needed to be done with it. He also needed better resolution than he got. The relationship was just...vague.
 
The relationship between the three characters is frustratingly vaugue.
 
What I mean by that is, I hope this does get a second shot, because with them having not done the Sinestro story, it could really setup the next film and with a fresh writing crew, it could be a huge turnaround.


In a perfect world, you're right, but this movie is what it is, and I don't see how this is going to have good legs going into the next few weeks, especially in this weak economy.

I just feel that with the recent tidal wave of franchise wars, there's a tendency to justify...or excuse...mediocrity with the precedent of mediocrity because of the emphasis on market presence/volume. Obviously, movies have always had an emphasis on revenue, but it's unfortunate when it breeds that mindset. I just kind of wish that sequels were rarer like in the past, than being the expected norm.
 
I just feel that with the recent tidal wave of franchise wars, there's a tendency to justify...or excuse...mediocrity with the precedent of mediocrity because of the emphasis on market presence/volume. Obviously, movies have always had an emphasis on revenue, but it's unfortunate when it breeds that mindset. I just kind of wish that sequels were rarer like in the past, than being the expected norm.

There are some movies that should never have sequels. Avatar is the perfect example. I'm sure the studio execs would love to have a sequel, but that's a perfectly self contained movie and there's no need for a second one.

However in the Superhero genre, I feel these are really nostalgic throwbacks to the old serial movies like Flash Gordon.

As much of a mess as this movie is, there's actually the threads of a great movie if they did it the right way and cleaned up the script. That's the frustrating part.
 
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