The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

[November Rain]

People give way too much criticism to "feats of strength" and "epicness" of these movies. Yeah they're nice but I didn't care at all when Superman lifted the damn kryptonite mountain. And is blasting a giant hole in the back of a massive ice monster's head with one's SELF really "dumbed down"?

As for "it wasn't epic enough! Should've been more like Transformers," that argument sort of speaks for itself, doesn't it? Does every single one of these movies have to be about "SAVING THE UNIVERSE"? I liked that Thor took place in a tiny New Mexico town to contrast the vastness of Asgard. It kept the story focused on Thor and didn't have the same feel almost every other superhero movie has had in a big city like some so unwisely (I'd say) would rather it to be. We'll get some epic superhero movies in a pinch (The Avengers) that aren't the same lame "epic" movies people have wanted them to be like (Transformers, 2012, Independence Day, etc.)

alright, let's be fair, what would be the point of putting together such a team if a threat could be dealt with individually so to speak?

and i didn't mind thor's new mexico setting although why build an entire village if you aren't going to destroy it in a fight.

take in point, why would odin ask the destroyer to guard his trophy room when someone lilke thor could easily take him apart.

i think the acts of strength generally enhance the threat level of the oponent they are facing.

why assemble earth's mightiest heroes for earth's most mediocre threat to be dealth with in earth's most boring feats of heroism?

it's almost like having an x-man film with no display of powers

 

[November Rain]

I'm not really troubled by the demonstrated feats of strength in these Movies. I actually don't mind that it isn't too ridiculous. I still enjoyed the action. The last thing I want to see is Hulk leaping into orbit and crushing an asteroid the size of the earth with his fist.

this is one end of the scale. not able to leap to the top of a bulding from the ground and having the scramble up is completely another side of the coin.

at one point it looked like he had trouble jumping from rooftop to rooftop and even an old withered cop can do that

 

[November Rain]

In terms of these related Marvel Studio movies, I agree. However, Ang's Hulk was very strong. He was flinging tanks & taking direct tank shots (not to mention airstrikes & rockets), catching missiles, chewing off the warhead and spitting it through a chopper, before suplexing another one, riding a fighter jet to almost outerspace & surviving the subsequent fall, withstanding a Canyon being caved in on top of him, and surviving the huge bomb used to destroy him & his father at the end.

That whole sequence was pretty spectacular in terms of strength & endurance. Of course, it doesn't come close to what the Hulk's been capable of in the comics, but as far as movies go, it's pretty close to the top

i have no issues with ang's hulk, i think he was strong enough to make the interaction with the military enjoyable, i also thought the action scenes in that film were very interesting and well shot.

the jumping, running, strenghth, healing and general atitude of the hulk were all on form for me.

but TIH grounded him quite alot and i feel the film suffered for that.

i mean himself and the abomination are supposed to be the strongest entities in that universe and they didn't even...cause as much city wide damage as in superman 2. heck, even an entire shopping mall would have been better than nothing. I would settle for a single city block.

 

[November Rain]

Basically keep them grounded enough for this flick that it's believable. Don't do all that planet shattering **** that some writers have done.

there's two types of believable i think.

take this for example

before the captain america film came out, i argued ALOT with people how he should have a gun since he was a SOLDIER and i had tons and tons of hate on here about how it would be wrong to give him a weapon.

but i argued it would be more believable for cap to be trained as a soldier and actually kill people, since he was in a WAR.

in any case, the producers and director agreed with me and the viewers abnd fans bought cap using weapons in combat

so in this case, i think it would be more believable if there was a serious threat that required all these people to come together, some emphasis of 'why' needs to be emphasised, and this means pushing the limits of the characters involved in such a confrontaton.

now the problem with the avengers is they technically have alot of characters with superstrength, thor, hulk and iron man

even if we leave out the graphic display of iron man and thor's sttrength, the hulk's whole angle is strength so he should be made at least throwing his own weight 'so to speak' and should have hulk feats we could easily see thor or ironman realistically completing.

upper limit would be beign launched at sheild's helicarrier and taking it down or perhaps catching it to help it land safetly, perhaps accompanied by the other two.

they should let him off the reigns a lil, and i think animation has a good level on this, they shouldnt have him doing much worse than was shown in any of those incarnations

 

[terry78]

He shouldn't be able to lift the helicarrier, but should struggle to kind of keep it from plowing into something. The quinjet he should be able to lift with ease.

 

[Superhero 101]

I just hope we get to see more than 15 minutes of hulk action I really hope we get to see him knock some buildings down

 

[Dark Raven]

I just hope we get to see more than 15 minutes of hulk action I really hope we get to see him knock some buildings down

I wouldn't mind if we get an extended scene of Hulk by himself doing some damage and destruction - eg like the desert fight in Ang Lee's Hulk. Maybe not as long as that though, as this isn't his sole movie.

 

[Quasimod0]

I remember hoping and thinking we'd get a huge thor vs destroyer fight. I dont wanna get my hopes up for a huge thor vs hulk battle

 

[BigThor]

upper limit would be beign launched at sheild's helicarrier and taking it down or perhaps catching it to help it land safetly, perhaps accompanied by the other two.

I think Thor would be better suited to catch the Heli-carrier since he can fly, I'd like to see Hulk doing something like catching or stabilizing a falling building.

 

[Gamma Burst]

I think Thor would be better suited to catch the Heli-carrier since he can fly, I'd like to see Hulk doing something like catching or stabilizing a falling building.

Yeah, that would be more appropriate.

 

[Herolee10]

I actually want to see the Hulk placed in a situation where he ends up saving a good amount of random civilians in this film since we really haven't had a moment in the other films where the Hulk directly saved a bunch of people that he didn't know personally since the ones that he did save in the last two films was mainly Betty.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I remember hoping and thinking we'd get a huge thor vs destroyer fight. I dont wanna get my hopes up for a huge thor vs hulk battle

Eeeexactly.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

lol I'm just expecting a small skirmish between hulk and thor.

 

[WildcatNC]

I remember hoping and thinking we'd get a huge thor vs destroyer fight. I dont wanna get my hopes up for a huge thor vs hulk battle

Whedon is to much of a geek not to give us a good Thor/Hulk battle IMO, even if its a short one.

 

[BigThor]

Whedon is to much of a geek not to give us a good Thor/Hulk battle IMO, even if its a short one.

Yeah, just because a fight is short doesn't mean it can't be "good" or even "great".

 

[November Rain]

if they end up doing the films like i think they will, there will inevitably be a marvel CIVIL war film or even two parter.

i'd like to hold off the hero battles until there is at least a legitimate reason for it.
if thor is to go into battle against any other avenger, it should be under the influence of loki and not a real tussle.

 

[November Rain]

I think Thor would be better suited to catch the Heli-carrier since he can fly, I'd like to see Hulk doing something like catching or stabilizing a falling building.

the stabilization thing isn't that drammatic, the thing stabilised a falling london eye in fantastic four two and on film it really doesn't do the feat much justice as it's hard to protray the weight and significance of such an action if you see what i mean.

which is why supermans plane catch in superman returns looks visually better than his city wide kryptonite toss

i don't mindi t being a group effort as long as the hulk manages the last bit per say.

the thing is if thor handles the carrier, than it just means that the hulk has to do something bigger

and i'm not sure they are going with thor being that strong in this movie, from the thor movie, it seems aloto f his power is going to reside in the use and manipulation of his hammer's powers, which is fine by me. I'm not even sure if he through a single superhero punch in his movie

 

[Gamma Burst]

the stabilization thing isn't that drammatic, the thing stabilised a falling london eye in fantastic four two and on film it really doesn't do the feat much justice as it's hard to protray the weight and significance of such an action if you see what i mean.

which is why supermans plane catch in superman returns looks visually better than his city wide kryptonite toss

i don't mindi t being a group effort as long as the hulk manages the last bit per say.

the thing is if thor handles the carrier, than it just means that the hulk has to do something bigger

and i'm not sure they are going with thor being that strong in this movie, from the thor movie, it seems aloto f his power is going to reside in the use and manipulation of his hammer's powers, which is fine by me. I'm not even sure if he through a single superhero punch in his movie

That's true.

 

[November Rain]

and then what could possibly top that without going into the realms of crazy strength???

 

[WildcatNC]

I agree that Marvel has kept the strength displays "grounded" for the characters, not going to crazy. I would like to see a few more impressive displays from both Thor and Hulk. We've actually seen plenty of Caps power, i'd like to see some of his agility.

I think we will see some badass stuff from the Hulk though.

 

[BigThor]

i'm not sure they are going with thor being that strong in this movie, from the thor movie, it seems aloto f his power is going to reside in the use and manipulation of his hammer's powers, which is fine by me. I'm not even sure if he through a single superhero punch in his movie

I think Thor didn't have that many displays of super strength in his film because they needed to showcase his hammer, now that they've done that I'm pretty sure we'll get more feats from Thor.

There really wasn't a reason for Thor to throw a super punch in his film since it was an introductory film for Mjolnir as well as Thor himself.

 

[Herolee10]

I think Thor didn't have that many displays of super strength in his film because they needed to showcase his hammer, now that they've done that I'm pretty sure we'll get more feats from Thor.

There really wasn't a reason for Thor to throw a super punch in his film since it was an introductory film for Mjolnir as well as Thor himself.

As someone else had mentioned before, Thor's strength was well demonstrated in the film since despite all of the powers that Thor's hammer comes with, only a man with immense strength could hit as hard as Thor did or spin it around rapidly as he did in the Frost Giants Planet.

 

[DBryan]

I'm in favour of upping Hulk's power level from what we seen in the previous film, and it can be explained quite simply. Over time, Hulk gets stronger. I believe that's been a factor in the comics also.

Hulk's power level needs to be at a point that he could feasably fight the rest of the team.

 

[Kirmit]

I think a good way to show Thor's strength is to first show how strong Hulk is somehow and then show Thor going one on one with Hulk, the audience would understand Thor must be really strong to hold up against Hulk.

 

[The Morningstar]

Maybe have Thor trading blows with Hulk without Mjolnir.