The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 9

[DarkJester]

So Norton spends the whole movie pissy and frustrated he can't save himself and I'm supposed to sympathize with him?

Sorry but Ruffalo is much more likable and selfless through his actions and personality and that makes a world of difference to the audience. They actually cheer and root for him instead of looking at their watch waiting for the Hulk.

Must be a regional thing, because at every viewing I've been to the cheers didn't come until the green guy did. You from Ruffalo's hometown?

 

[Savage]

Except that TIH made the MCU a thing. Without it, Captain and especially Thor wouldn't have been greenlit in the first place. You see it as not needed, the execs saw it as their Avengers greenlight.

Also, Hulk vs Abomination may well be the best climax in all of the pre-Avengers films. Red Skull magically evaporating, Thor and Loki's slapfight (and incredibly weak takedown of the Destroyer), and Whiplash's pathetic defeat don't even compare.

I'm beginning to think you're just trolling at this point to say it was an unecessary film. S. Darko is an unecessary film, TIH? I'm pretty sure the majority is at least glad it exists, even if they have problems with it.

Agreed. Hulk vs. Abomination is one of the great comic book movie fights next to Blade vs. Nomak and Spider-man vs. Doctor Octopus. A good fight choreographer is so underrated.

 

[Herolee10]

Prior to the release of TA, one thing that I was worried about was that they would make Banner's portrayal in the film to be where he's shown always being reclusive, with little to no actual interactions with the entire group, similar to the way that they had shown him in the Ultimates Animated Film.

It was a much pleasant surprise to see him being involved in the group discussions, let alone him having great scenes with Steve and Tony, or with just Tony.

I just love seeing him add his own opinions to the conversations in scenes like where the group first meets each other at the round table on board the hellcarrier, or even his scenes with Tony and Steve where he gives his opinion to Steve on how he thinks it's fishy as well on what SHIELD is doing.

 

[DarkJester]

Prior to the release of TA, one thing that I was worried about was that they would make Banner's portrayal in the film to be where he's shown always being reclusive, with little to no actual interactions with the entire group, similar to the way that they had shown him in the Ultimates Animated Film.

It was a much pleasant surprise to see him being involved in the group discussions, let alone him having great scenes with Steve and Tony, or with just Tony.

I just love seeing him add his own opinions to the conversations in scenes like where the group first meets each other at the round table on board the hellcarrier, or even his scenes with Tony and Steve where he gives his opinion to Steve on how he thinks it's fishy as well on what SHIELD is doing.

Yeah, my favorite Banner scenes were between him and Tony in the lab. Specifically "No, you see I don't get a suit of armor. I'm exposed... Like a nerve."

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Except that TIH made the MCU a thing. Without it, Captain and especially Thor wouldn't have been greenlit in the first place. You see it as not needed, the execs saw it as their Avengers greenlight.

Also, Hulk vs Abomination may well be the best climax in all of the pre-Avengers films. Red Skull magically evaporating, Thor and Loki's slapfight (and incredibly weak takedown of the Destroyer), and Whiplash's pathetic defeat don't even compare.

I'm beginning to think you're just trolling at this point to say it was an unecessary film. S. Darko is an unecessary film, TIH? I'm pretty sure the majority is at least glad it exists, even if they have problems with it.

So I'm trolling because I'm defending people's right to like Ruffalo over the past Banners? Well if you must slander my motives to help your argument then do what you must but that makes no sense.

Incredible Hulk did not launch The Avengers. If Iron Man preformed as badly as TIH there never would've been an Avengers movie.

I always felt TIH was decent and never really felt strongly enough to attack it. But this glorification of Norton at the expense of Ruffalo has to stop.

Ruffalo and Whedon made people care about Banner/Hulk for the first time in decades. They deserve more credit than failed, recent attempts.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Must be a regional thing, because at every viewing I've been to the cheers didn't come until the green guy did. You from Ruffalo's hometown?

Well when he says "I'm always angry" it got people pretty hyped.

Of course they're hyped because the Hulk is coming but the scene works because Ruffalo laid the groundwork.

 

[DarkJester]

So I'm trolling because I'm defending people's right to like Ruffalo over the past Banners? Well if you must slander my motives to help your argument then do what you must but that makes no sense.

Incredible Hulk did not launch The Avengers. If Iron Man preformed as badly as TIH there never would've been an Avengers movie.

I always felt TIH was decent and never really felt strongly enough to attack it. But this glorification of Norton at the expense of Ruffalo has to stop.

Ruffalo and Whedon made people care about Banner/Hulk for the first time in decades. They deserve more credit than failed, recent attempts.

No, I call you a troll because numerous times I've said that I do, in fact, enjoy Ruffalo's Banner. I accept them both and enjoy both performances for ENTIRELY different reasons.

In your so-called attempt to put an end to the "glorification of Norton at the expense of Ruffalo", you're simply doing the opposite: glorifying Ruffalo at the expense of Norton.

So yeah, I call it like I see it: you're just trollin.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Except that TIH made the MCU a thing. Without it, Captain and especially Thor wouldn't have been greenlit in the first place.

This is quite a stretch if not an outright inaccuracy.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

But this glorification of Norton at the expense of Ruffalo has to stop.

It wouldn't hurt if this sudden ridiculous demonizing of Norton would stop either.

 

[Roose Bolton]

You know what Hulk would do if he were reading this entire argument? Nothing.
Because the Hulk cant read

 

[Avenger]

Can't we all just agree that both Norton and Ruffalo did very good jobs of portraying Bruce during very different phases of his life? Norton's Banner was still afraid of what he had inside him, and was trying to run away from that as much as he was the military. Ruffalo's Banner has come to accept that the Hulk is now a part of him, and he's very zen about the whole thing, while still realizing he needs to keep a close eye on his temper--not because he's afraid of the Hulk, but because he's afraid for everyone else.

 

[craigdbfan]

You what Hulk would do if he were reading this entire argument? Nothing.
Because the Hulk cant read

 

[Roose Bolton]

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Can't we all just agree that both Norton and Ruffalo did very good jobs of portraying Bruce during very different phases of his life?

No.

 

[DACrowe]

I liked Norton in the role. The problem is TIH is just a bland, boring movie. I've always thought that ever since seeing it. It's not a bad film, but it just goes through the motions and ticks off the narrative beats to get to its action set pieces and nothing more. I honestly preferred the 2003 film--also very flawed and no great film either--for a series of reasons.

Anyway, I'm glad that Ruffalo/Whedon came along. I do think there should be some tragedy and darkness to Banner, but they found away to also make him fun, entertaining and endearing. Well done.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

No.

Of course not, we might fail the internet if we didn't have something to argue about.

 

[Bren]

I don't think the argument shouldn't be "which was the best Banner?".
I think it should be, "which Banner would you rather watch".

And I have 2 thoughts to this;
1. I'd rather watch the Avengers Banner, and
2. I'd rather have Ruffalo play it than Bana or Norton.

The Avengers was the first time I've liked, enjoyed and felt sorry for Banner...

 

[Smashlilman]

I don't think the argument shouldn't be "which was the best Banner?".
I think it should be, "which Banner would you rather watch".

And I have 2 thoughts to this;
1. I'd rather watch the Avengers Banner, and
2. I'd rather have Ruffalo play it than Bana or Norton.

The Avengers was the first time I've liked, enjoyed and felt sorry for Banner...

Same. Its its easier to sympathize with a character once you grown to like them first.

You what Hulk would do if he were reading this entire argument? Nothing.
Because the Hulk cant read

Too bad.

 

[Kirmit]

At the time I liked Norton's Banner, did so all the way up to TA and still like his portrayl but having seen Ruffalo in the role I prefer him so much more, he just brought more to the role I felt, even though it wasn't his own movie.

 

[Iceman]

This Hulk is as fun as quipping, swinging Spidey at his very best. Just can't get that grin off my face when he's on screen.

 

[metaphysician]

That's cute. TIH is crap now, despite the fact that whenever IT came out people praised it up and down over the 2003 film? Despite the fact that in terms of heart and story it blows IM2 out of the water? Or are we all of a sudden going to defend the IM2 clusterf*** because "No way man, TIH sucks now. Avengers Hulk ftw!"

Only on the Hype, man...

SuperHeroHype: Where there's "no way Heath Ledger could ever pull off the Joker", "totally something in Spider-Man's eye" and now, despite the damn-near WORSHIP the man had pre-Avengers casting, Edward Norton blew it in TIH.

You guys are some silly, finicky, *****es

Hey, I've been saying that TIH was overrated and Hulk 2003 underrated ever since TIH came out.

 

[marcvader]

Hey, I've been saying that TIH was overrated and Hulk 2003 underrated ever since TIH came out.

Same here. I've always liked TIH, own it on dvd, but I never got the love affair with Norton'a Banner. I've been saying that since day 1 and now feel slightly justified after seeing Rufalo's take.

 

[DouglasJ]

I loved Norton as Banner, and was gutted when it was announced he wouldn't be part of Avengers. Not because I don't think another actor could play the part, but the whole 'world-building' thing seemed pointless if they were going to replace one of the big four.

That said, Ruffalo did an incredible job, but it's not all on him. Whedon has to get credit for the way Banner was written - it's hard to empathise with Norton-Banner, because he wants to get rid of Hulk. His mission is to destroy what we put our cash down to see. It would take a hell of an actor to pull that off, only Bixby has.

I'll contionue to enjoy Norton in TIH, but that chapter's done now. I'm leaving it behind, no use crying over spilled milk. I hope to see Ruffalo in more Hulk projects in the future.

 

[Fifthchild]

It always been my undersatnding that it was a masive surge of the bodys 'fight or flight' adrenaline that triggered the change, so that would cover any stressful emotion i.e anger, pain, extreme fear, etc...

Thats what it says in the Marvel Handbooks and its changed a lot over the years but i think the most consistent and certainly best explanation has been that the trigger is psychological. After one particularly traumatising experience the Hulk would change into Banner when he became angry. Once Banner was in grave danger and the Hulk refused to come out just to spite him. Other times he would change into the Hulk at night. It all depended on what was going on with Banners psyche at the time.

I hated the heartrate thing in TIH. The idea that any excitement, including sex, would trigger the change. Made it so much more simplistic IMO.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I liked Norton in the role. The problem is TIH is just a bland, boring movie. I've always thought that ever since seeing it. It's not a bad film, but it just goes through the motions and ticks off the narrative beats to get to its action set pieces and nothing more. I honestly preferred the 2003 film--also very flawed and no great film either--for a series of reasons.

Anyway, I'm glad that Ruffalo/Whedon came along. I do think there should be some tragedy and darkness to Banner, but they found away to also make him fun, entertaining and endearing. Well done.

Sorry you feel that way. TIH has always entertained the hell out of me in the couple hundred times I've watched it. The pacing, the CBM vibe, the action, and the actors ... I love it all. Was my #1 until The Avengers.