The Official Hype Fitness Thread 3.0

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This site may also be helpful for anyone trying to crunch numbers.

http://www.caloriesperhour.com/tutorial_BMR.php

 

[WillardNation]

The last person to talk s**t to me was this tiny drunk frat boy who wanted to maul me because he thought I looked like Micheal Strahan(I was wearing a Giants shirt) who he apparently hates b/c he cost him some fantasy football points . It took 4 of his friends to hold him back b/c he was quite feral about it.

This is why I hate sports fans.

I'm almost out of creatine! Supplements cost too much! I hate trying to find the scoop in a new tub of whey protein!

Humans went 2 1/2 million years without supplements. I think you'll be ok.

 

[WildcatNC]

It was brought to my attention that I probably come off as one of those people who refuses to diet or exercise because it's "too hard" or something. I should probably mention that I'm down a pants size, just bought some new shirts because some of my old ones are too big, I've been reading the leangains site for the past few days and trying a few things out, and I go to the gym 3 times a week every week. I just can't express myself without finding something trivial to complain about and then blowing it out of proportion.

On that note...

I'm almost out of creatine! Supplements cost too much! I hate trying to find the scoop in a new tub of whey protein! I fear tomorrow's leg workout because I'm not 100% certain my sprained ankle from last week has healed enough to handle it, even though I don't seem to be having any trouble picking up the heavier boxes at work! I can't go to the gym 5 days a week anymore because my job is too tiring! My muscles are sore! I'm fat! I hate this s***!!

Hey, everyone has to find what works for them. If you can't follow the Paleo then its not for you. I let myself get about 60 lbs overweight. I finally had enough of it and set about erasing it. I had been in really good shape before so I knew what to do (I had just stopped giving a ****). I have lost 30 lbs in the last 3 months and feel as good as I ever have and never go hungry.

It took me about 3 months of reading to accept the whole "grains bad" thing also. It sounds so against conventional wisdom that it seems absurd. Its the difference between "food" and "edible". Grains are edible, but are not food. The science is really sound as well.

Keep reading and working and find your own conclusions and what works best for you. If your overweight then its probably 80% your diet, so good luck with figuring that part out, its the most important.

 

[WildcatNC]

that is quite a list. I suppose you know of San Da as well? I have always been interested in martial arts growing up with Van Damme and others but never started doing any until I was around 20 something, and Five Forms Kung Fu is the only art I have tried. I do hope I get the time to try out other arts in the future, such as Capoeira and Tae Kwon Do.

I know of San Da. Chinese kickboxing right? Don't know much about it otherwise though. I'm not a big Tae Kwon Do fan personally.

I actually avoid most "sport" systems now. I used to be in the tournament scene years ago and did well but its not for me. After learning some serious combat systems, the sport systems just do not feel right to me. I feel like i'm handicapped and training illogically.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I figured as much. I'll probably just take a long walk or something after work tomorrow.

You don't need ankles to do quad extensions or hamstring curls. Just sayin

 

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You don't need ankles to do quad extensions or hamstring curls. Just sayin

Says the man who has an avatar of Colossus taking a dump.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Gotta stay regular son

 

[WildcatNC]

Gotta stay regular son

Cannonball special ???

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Is that what we're calling bowel movements from now on? I can dig it

 

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lol

 

[WildcatNC]

Is that what we're calling bowel movements from now on? I can dig it

Its what you call Colossus' bowel movements.

 

[Victarion]

Got a question about a few snack and dessert items:

1.) Chobani Greek Yogurt--This has the strawberry fruit on the bottom. Initially I avoided the "fruit on the bottom" yogurt for fear of the sugars in the syrup. The guy that writes the "Eat this, Not that" books had an article on Yahoo saying this was actually one of the best yogurts you could eat.

I checked it out and saw its got 14g Protein to 19g Sugar. So is this a good idea for a dessert item?

2.) Pretzels--I've got some that have 110 calories per serving, with 24g Carbohydrates and 3g of Protein per serving. I'd pair them with a wedge of the Laughing Cow light cheese (35 calories per wedge, 1.5 g fat). Would these be an ideal snack pre 20 minute bowflex session/30 minute swim session, or after the workout?

3.) Sweet Potatos/Red Meat--I try to cut as much fat as possible from my angus steak and cut portions usually about as long and wide as a Poker deck. Sometimes a smidge bigger, but nothing as monstrous as you'd get in a restaurant. When is the best time to do upper body exercise: before the red meat/sweet potato, or afterward?

BTW, I am 22 years old, 5 foot and 7 inches, and probably weigh about 123 pounds. Our scale doesn't reset to 0 exactly, so I round the weight up to be on the safe side.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Chobani is awesome. The strawberry banana is delicious

Prepare your angus

 

[gohei_]

It is an interesting transition from being a student and competitor to an instructor. Seido Karate was formed by Tadashi Nakamura who was one of the first crop of black belts when Kyokushin karate was formalized. He was also Japan and world champion for a while and was chosen as the one to bring Kyokushin to the world as a whole. But after a few years he broke off from Master Mas Oyama (organization politics) and started Seido.

I explain all this because the two styles are basically the same and we maintain the rule that after 3rd Dan we are not allowed to fight (in competition) anymore (one of the reasons George St Pierre left Kyokushin was because of this rule, he was up for his 4th Dan and opted to leave the org. rather than being blocked from fighting). Firstly teachers should never fight, secondly, can you imagine a 4th or 5th Dan loosing a fight and what it would do to the organization?

It started as an obsession with Batman as a kid, that became an obsession with winning trophies in competition in my teens, to just doing it because I've always done it at this point.

well that's interesting, did not know that.
it sounds similar to thr chinese Wing Chun and Ving Tsun styles, which as far as I know is basically the same thing, the name change having to do with some kind of dispute or something.

 

[gohei_]

I know of San Da. Chinese kickboxing right? Don't know much about it otherwise though. I'm not a big Tae Kwon Do fan personally.

I actually avoid most "sport" systems now. I used to be in the tournament scene years ago and did well but its not for me. After learning some serious combat systems, the sport systems just do not feel right to me. I feel like i'm handicapped and training illogically.

yeah I know how you feel, I srarted doing kung fu and san da at the same time, but after only doing kung fu for a while it just feels weird whenever I do any sparring. the gloves are in thr way and there is so much you are not alloewd to do.

 

[AndThePickles]

Chobani is awesome. The strawberry banana is delicious

How the tides have turned...I remember when I couldn't even get you to try it

 

[TheFuture]

I'd like to share a pet peeve of mine in regards to the gym: why must old men stand around naked having casual conversations with each other in the dressing room? Do not try to talk to me if your schlong is on the same level as my face.

 

[mrvlknight21]

yeah I know how you feel, I srarted doing kung fu and san da at the same time, but after only doing kung fu for a while it just feels weird whenever I do any sparring. the gloves are in thr way and there is so much you are not alloewd to do.

Yeah, thats how my main martial arts gym is. Street scenario stuff-we train to kick nuts, strike the throat, eye gouge, use weapons, etc.

How the tides have turned...I remember when I couldn't even get you to try it

Indeed ma'am.

 

[gohei_]

Yeah, thats how my main martial arts gym is. Street scenario stuff-we train to kick nuts, strike the throat, eye gouge, use weapons, etc.

exactly. that's the **** that's gonna help you in a dark alley at night.

 

[AndThePickles]

I am really proud of how I've re-vamped my diet so far. It still isn't where it needs to be, but overall, I eat so much healthier. I find myself not craving the fatty foods as much, and sometimes I even feel ill after eating them. I even desire fruits and veggies now. Yay!

 

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It's a pickle sighting!

 

[WildcatNC]

yeah I know how you feel, I srarted doing kung fu and san da at the same time, but after only doing kung fu for a while it just feels weird whenever I do any sparring. the gloves are in thr way and there is so much you are not alloewd to do.

Yep. I have also broken myself from relying on the block-kick-punch mentality, basically superior mass/velocity and the typical arm and a half comfort distances. I don't want to interfere with that training.

The way I sort of look at it is the difference between addition/subtraction, division/multiplication, and algebra/trigonometry/exponentials.

Mcdojo's are addition/subtraction. The majority of sport arts/instructors are on this level. The talented ones either find a better system, or come to realizations of greater principles on their own.

A few other systems get into division/multiplication. Efficiency of movements, attacking is defending and vice/versa, dual level/tier/distance attacks. Many internal arts are taught at this level.

Exponential systems are rare and are often old systems undiluted by the generations. Its often more of a question of the instructor than it is the system. Many are taught to the public at the previous tiers and only a few direct inheritors are taught to the exponential level.

 

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Ugh - okay guys I need some recommendations for meals.

My rest days aren't too bad. 1800 Calories, but protein 288g ugh - soo much. Carbs and fat aren't a biggie.

As for workout days - 3100 calories, 244g protein. Also I'm can't afford to spend $10/lb for meat. So usually it's lots of chicken.

 

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So after crunching some more numbers it appears that Martins states the maximum muscular potential for natural bodybuilders and athletes is given in the following formula. Granted, he does not set this in store but states it is pretty close with some variable.

Height in cm - 100 = weight in kg = 5-6%bf

So, 170.18cm - 100 = 70.18 = 154.72lbs at 5-6% body fat, all natural.

So if this is true, and I assume I am around 20% bf, which I would say no more than 25%, but let's use 20% for arguments sake, and I am 180lbs. I have 144lbs of lean muscle mass. Meaning if I drop to 154lbs while dieting and working out, by the time I hit that point I should be about 5-6% bf? Which also means that I only have about 10lbs of muscle to put on?

Again, not set in stone, but a very good rule of thumb, from what I gather from LG site?

 

[TerryMcGinnis]

Yes, but you have take into consideration that you will inevitably lose some muscle while getting down to such a low BF%, so you'll have to gain a bit more than 10 lbs. 10 lbs sounds like it's not much, but the closer you are to your potential the slower the gains will be.

Oh, and as far as your diet goes, you can definitely ease up on the protein, especially on training days, when you're supposed to be over maintenance anyway and anything above 1 g/lb won't provide much in terms of additional benefits. I think you can safely drop your protein intake on training days to a bit above 1g/lb (total weight, not just lean mass) and on rest days to 1.5 g/lb total weight as well.