The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 7

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  1. Spider-Aziz

    Spider-Aziz Raul Boston's Dish Gaunt

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    Guess that goofball turtles episode was inspired by this
    Boring film
    Second movie is better in effects and costume
    This one got higher rank than Spider-Man 2? Awesome :up:
    Overrated
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    Overrated :o
     
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  2. Dragon

    Dragon No Way as Way

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    Absolutely. Begins has no place on that list. Spider-Man, whether one likes it or not was innovative and changed the face of comic book films, just as Superman '78 and Batman '89 did. Begins did nothing new for the genre. It only gets props by being lumped in the TDK, and being lucky enough to have followed one of the worst genre films ever.

    There are a a number of films that I don't personally like that I agree deserve to be on the list, like Avatar. Again, it upped things a notch. It was **** but it did take things to another level. I think probably The Wizard of Oz should be number one. It was and is the standard for fantasy film.
     
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    You neglected X-Men
    It's fantasy with hints of realism, but they say it's the other way around
    Nothing really new, and the visuals belong to a video game
     
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  4. Dragon

    Dragon No Way as Way

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    I don't think X-men took any chance as did Spider-Man, which created a CG hero. X-men was a pretty good film, but far too tame.

    See that's the thing. I don't think Nolan's films are in anyway realistic. His version of Batman is superhuman. The tech is total sci-fi and what he does isn't something that could be pulled off by a regular man. The story structure was seriously lacking. By removing Bruce's decade long, worldwide pursuit of knowledge and placing him in a Himalayan Ninja school where he magically excells to the head of the class, so he can lead an attack on Gotham :whatever: Nolan removed the obsession that makes it believable that the character will stop at nothing to achieve his ends.

    The story was garbage and the visuals were not to my liking, but there's no question that they were penetrating and powerful. Psychiatrists say that a number of people suffered from depression after the film's end because they were so enthralled by the environment of the planet and didn't want to accept that it wasn't real. Cameron mind-f***** the public with the film. And that's gotta be worth something :woot:
     
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  5. A Necessary Evil

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    Or people are just nutjobs :o :oldrazz:
     
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  6. Spider-Aziz

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    You don't like Avatar either?
    :highfive:
     
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    That goes without saying. I think Cameron simply decided to make use of the insanity.
     
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    I hate the film. I can't stand the sight of those creatures. And it's simplistic to suggest that all of one people are good and all or most of another are bad.
     
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    I'd never watch Avatar again but it was gorgeous in the cinema. I find it hard to rank because its enormous impact over-shadows how utterly crap it is.
     
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  10. The Joker

    The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    To who? The four or five people here vs the thousands of movie going voters? :BA

    LOL I'm not saying I agree with all of those rankings. That's just the popularity of these movies to the movie going public. Or at least the ten thousand or so who got their votes in for this list.
     
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    It actually makes a great case as to why BO numbers don't mean crap.
     
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  12. The Joker

    The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    The likes of Transformers and Spider-Man 3 are great cases for that. This list is made up of predominantly excellent movies. Even the ones I don't personally like I would not call bad movies.
     
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    Yah....because it's not like films like Batman Begins or Casino Royale had no effect in reboots or anything or has given any inspiration of such.

    And Aziz mentioned it already, but X-MEN changed the face of CBMs, not Spider-Man. People seem to always forget that Bryan Singer is the one that really brought CBMs to life and Sam Raimi only went on for the ride in bringing back Spidey. If anything, Spider-Man shouldn't be the one on the list, X-Men should.
     
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    :up:
     
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    It does actually, it means big enough figures to demand that stupid movie by Bay, he's the only one who can make it, and cash in for it
     
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    I think the issue here is the order they're set out.
     
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  17. Dragon

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    Nonsense. X-men was nothing but a furthering of The Matrix style of film. Simple Black suits, people with powers that had no origins and the main guy (Wolverine) was a kung-fu master with attached blades. It paid little to no heed to the comics.

    Spider-Man worked from the source material. Gave him an origin, gave him a comic book style villain (X-men didn't have the courage to hire someone of the right age for Magneto or to suit him up in his comic style armor), AN ACCURATE COSTUME and comic style battle scenes. Spidey 1 and all of the Raimi films had problems but it was definitely a new threshold for comic book movies. And the Effects were groundbreaking. You wouldn't have the Avengers if Spidey hadn't been made.

    And so what if Batman Begins and Casino Royale(?) made a statement for reboots? The James Bond franchise has been rebooted repeatedly and each reboot was hailed during its time period. Many people loved the humor that Roger Moore brought to the Bond films and then they loved the seriousness that Brosnan brought. Every Bond has been "The second best Bond" next to Connery.

    Batman Begins simply wasn't a great movie. It wasn't even that good a movie. Like I said, it gets props for being lumped in with TDK and because the previous Batman film had been so terrible that anything would've looked classic next to it. The writing was terrible- Ra's identity switch was totally from leftfield and made no sense at all. Scarecrow was a joke. The image of him on the horse was one of the silliest I've ever seen. Definitely worthy of B&R. The characters made speeches to each other instead of relating. Bruce's father was constantly lecturing him rather than speaking to him with love. Even as he was dying, which was laughable. The action scenes were blurry and boring. The Bat costume looks awful. The Batmobile is ridiculous (It was jumping onto rooftops for Godsakes!!! How is that any different from Kilmer's wall-climbing batmobile?). Nothing about the film was realistic other than the atmosphere, and that's only in comparison to Burton's expressionistic and Schumacher's Disco-fantasy backgrounds. It's greatly overrated, and wasn't even that big a hit when released.
     
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    Man, you give me so much flack for loving BB and TDK but you can't even say one thing bad about Raimi's trilogy.
     
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    I too think BB is overrated. I love certain portions of the film, but Ra's Al Ghul's overall plan is silly and the shaky cam REALLY annoys me at very key points of the film, and that is a problem. I prefer SM1 to BB myself, but that is because SM1 is more in tone with the type of comics I prefer. BB follows the more dark/gritty path of Batman, which I do like (and certain characters like Batman NEED that). However, most of my favorites are guys like Spider-Man, Captain America, Superman, etc. Characters who are a bit more "fun" and this is one thing I love about SM1 and SM2. It has the tone of that era of comics I prefer and love. I too love Batman and enjoy Nolan's work on them, but I do think BB is not quite a "masterpiece." Really good movie, but flawed.
     
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  20. Dragon

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    Are you kidding? I can and have said lots of bad things about Raimi's trilogy. You should've been here when the films were first released.
    And on these recent discussions I've constantly ranked 3 as being sub-par.

    I tend to defend the films now, particularly 3 because there's just been a crazy bandwagon of people trashing the films ever since the reboot was announced. Especially all of the folks swearing that the reboot will crush the Raimi films without having seen them. I think in general fans tend to look at films with an unfair eye. When someone like yourself says that there's nothing about Spidey 3 that's good, when there are actually quite a number of great moments in the film I know it's an exaggeration. The same as people over-hyping Batman Begins.
     
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  21. The Joker

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    There's no movies on this list close to as brainless as Bay's.

    But that's just preference. The list I think is solidified by the fact 99% of these movies are at best brilliant and at worst good. For instance I hear you think X-Men 3 is the best of the X-Men movies? You don't care much for Spider-Man 1? You don't rate Batman Begins very highly?

    All unpopular opinions but I wouldn't call you wrong for it.
     
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    It definitely isn't flawless, which is why my personal score for BB is 8/10, but then again even my score for Spider-Man is 8/10.

    We definitely have striking opinions of eachother as I have never said there's nothing about Spider-Man 3 that's good. Overall, yes, I do not like the film, but I do give props, still to Franco and Simmons, as well as the two scenes that really come to mind overall when I think of the trilogy: the Birth of Sandman and the Creation of Venom. But, that also speaks that I really love the CGI in the film rather than really the film as a whole.

    But...I just don't get how BB is overrated. It's nowhere near as hyped as TDK is to this day and people don't automatically give credit to BB when someone asks what's a great CBM. It's just a good film and the start of what could end up being a fantastic CBM trilogy. Is it flawed? Certainly; one thing comes to mind is that dock fight when Batman finishes off every thug but you see someone still standing to the side. Or even the dialogue is cliched and problematic, but overall, there's more good than bad.
     
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    97. Star Trek VI: The undiscovered country
    64. Sin City
    53. The Truman Show
    48. Batman Begins
    44. Kick-Ass
    24. Star Trek (2009)
    15. The Fifth Element
    14. Inception

    These films shouldn't even be on this list. That they included Star Trek VI and didn't include III & IV at all says there's something really wrong here.

    And hell- I'd even say that as horrible as the Transformers films are, they expanded the genre more than any of these.
     
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    48, 24 and 14 definitely belong there, but I agree with the rest.
     
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    Since everyone is giving their opinion on what film should stay or go...

    100. Invasion of the Body Snatchers
    99. Rosemary's Baby
    98. Solaris
    96. The Birds
    95. Hugo
    94. Star Wars VI: Return of the Jedi
    93. Twelve Monkeys
    92. The Princess Bride
    91. The Crow
    90. Highlander
    89. Shrek
    88. Labyrinth
    87. Spider-Man
    86. Bride of Frankenstein
    85. Nosferatu
    84. Night of the Living Dead
    83. Spider-Man 2
    82. The Lord of the Rings: Two Towers
    81. Halloween (1978)
    80. Total Recall
    79. Castle in the Sky
    78. Batman 1989
    77. Toy Story 2
    76. The Wizard of Oz
    75. The Sixth Sense
    74. Mad Max 2
    72. A Matter of Life and Death
    71. Evil Dead II
    69. The Shining
    68. X-Men 2
    67. The Lost Boys
    66. Ghost in the Shell
    65. The Exorcist
    62. Let the right one in
    61. King Kong (1933)
    60. Groundhog Day
    58. The Wicker Man (1973)
    57. Escape from New York
    56. The Prestige
    55. Dawn of the Dead (1978)
    54. Children of Men
    52. Robocop
    51. Pirates of the Caribbean: The curse of the Black Pearl
    50. An American Werewolf in London
    49. Edward Scissorhands
    48. Batman Begins
    47. A Clockwork Orange
    46. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
    45. It's a Wonderful Life
    43. Superman: The Movie
    41. X-Men: First Class
    40. Dark City
    39. Brazil
    38. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
    37. Planet of the Apes (1968)
    36. The Day the Earth stood still (1951)
    35. ET The Extra-Terrestrial
    34. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
    33. Akira
    32. Spirited Away
    31. Forbidden Planet (1956)
    30. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2
    28. Pan's Labyrinth
    27. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    26. Avatar
    25. District 9
    24. Star Trek (2009)
    23. Donnie Darko
    22. Shaun of the Dead
    21. The Terminator
    20. Jurassic Park
    19. Ghostbusters
    18. Terminator 2: Judgement Day
    17. The Thing (1982)
    16. 2001: A Space Odyssey
    14. Inception
    13. Raiders of the Lost Ark
    12. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn
    11. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
    10. The Dark Knight
    9. Back to the Future
    8. Alien
    7. Serenity
    6. The Matrix
    5. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
    4. Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope
    3. Aliens
    2. Star Wars: Episode V The Empire Strikes Back
    1. Blade Runner
     
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