The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 8

[Doc Ock]

I agree about the Raimi suit being just like the classic suit. I felt like it was the comics literally come to life!

 

[SpideyVille]

It seems to me to be fueled by the strong dislike (I won't say hatred) of the Raimi films that was spawned by both SM3 and the release of a reboot. The Raimi suit is superb... it looks like the classic Spider-Man suit. There's not much wrong with it. So why panic about the fact that the new TASM suit looks more like the Raimi / comics suit?

In other words... is it just because its the Raimi suit? Imagine for a moment that the Raimi films didn't exist. Would these same people be pitching a fit over the new TASM 2 suit?

I think the biggest complaint is that it looks like they are "copying" the Raimi suit, which would add on to the list of things people felt the first film "copied" from the Raimi films. Not to mention that there were people who hated the Raimi suit because of the webbing, which looks similar in this new one.

I think people learned to accept the suit from the first film because it was an attempt to be different, and now this goes in the opposite direction. But like I said, we still need to see how the whole thing is and how much they changed. And no, this probably wouldn't be an issue if the Raimi suit never existed. Instead, I think people would have praised this more for going in a more traditional style, including the eyes which look like they are straight out of the comics.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

It's the Raimi suit, slightly modernised... with better eyes and Garfield's slender physique.

That pretty damn cool and iconic if you ask me.

 

[Dragon]

With the reboot I certainly wanted the classic design, but not necessarily a replication of the Raimi suit, which I loved. They could have used the classic design but with different textures and tiny details added. They went too far with the Webb ASM suit. And I'm not necessarily thrilled with them merely reverting to the Raimi design either. Again, the decisions made in this reboot continue to confound me. Spidey is such and easy character to get right, and yet they seem to do almost everything wrong.

 

[SpideyVille]

Big question is, if/when they do Venom and the black suit, will they copy the idea of turning Spidey's suit black like they used in the video game (which is supposed to be canon), or will they try to do the comic black suit?

 

[Anno_Domini]

What are Raimi fans' thoughts on the new suit for ASM2? Pretty funny how far Webb & Co have gone in the old direction. Barely a trace of the last suit in the design at all.

The eyes are the best thing about the TAS-M 2 suit whereas the raised webbing, texture and the new chest symbol look terrible as it did with Raimi's suit. Even the vibrancy of the colors look like they're gone.

I'm shocked how similarly I feel about the films tbh. I wonder if opinions of TDKR will rot over time.

I could bet certain fanboys will continue to hate it over time, but I am loving TDKR more and more everytime I view it which is the same feeling with BB and TDK to this day.

Debatable.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=400643

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=452879
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=389297

Really?

Meh, critics. I enjoy Spider-Man 3 immensely regardless of what many critics and fans say. I did loathe it the very first time but after multiple rewatches I have come to love it. (The same thing might even happen with TDKR, although comparing the first viewings of each I didn't loathe TDKR at all like I did with SM-3 for the first time)

Hail Raimi's Spidey!

It's not only the critics, either. That was only an example of how much disapproval the film receives. I can't find one person outside of the SHH! boards that would say anything nice about Spider-Man 3, lol.

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

Excuse my ignorance, but WALLOPING WEBSNAPPERS THAT NEW SUIT IS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC AND AMAZING. But wow, just heard about it and saw it. Yeah, it looks a lot like the Raimi suit but I can look past the fact. From this photo it looks like they just changed the eyes and tweaked the logo. But hey, if it ain't broke don't fix it right? The eyes are really comic booky and I'm so glad they adopted the Raimi suit as a blueprint.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I actually like the raised webbing.

 

[Doc Ock]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=400643

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=452879
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=389297

Really?

Yes really, I don't understand what you're trying to show me? Opinions and polls are not facts.

It's not only the critics, either. That was only an example of how much disapproval the film receives. I can't find one person outside of the SHH! boards that would say anything nice about Spider-Man 3, lol.

I know several people who like SM-3 alot. Some even the most of the trilogy, which surprises me. But everyone has their own opinions, having a large group of people vocal about liking one thing against another doesn't make anything a fact.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I actually like the raised webbing.

I've always liked the raised webbing... it gives it some much needed definition.

 

[Doc Ock]

The raised webbing is a very sleek look, love it as well.

 

[BlueLightning]

I love the new suit. I mean, there aren't many workarounds to Spider-Man suit. It would be nice to see if they kept the belt-like design from the comics. That's one of the things I disliked from TASM suit.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I know several people who like SM-3 alot. Some even the most of the trilogy, which surprises me. But everyone has their own opinions, having a large group of people vocal about liking one thing against another doesn't make anything a fact.

Yeah, alot of reaction i've seen is either it sucked, it was okay, or it was awesome. I've also had people tell me it was their favorite one, so I really think the GA doesn't mind it as much as fanboys here. Hell, my friend, a casual comic reader, really liked SM3 also. Really, SM3 isn't a flat out critical panning like Anno wants it to be, it's just very...mixed. Kinda like how QoS is made out to be a complete failure, but it's just a dividing movie.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Yes really, I don't understand what you're trying to show me? Opinions and polls are not facts.





I know several people who like SM-3 alot. Some even the most of the trilogy, which surprises me. But everyone has their own opinions, having a large group of people vocal about liking one thing against another doesn't make anything a fact.

Of course nothing is fact. Making a Top Ten list doesn't even make a film one of the greatest films in a certain year either, but it does tell of what a majority vote feels with regarding a film as much as those polls I used shows what a majority feels as well which does NOT show that S-M 3 and TDKR can be viewed as similar.

Yeah, alot of reaction i've seen is either it sucked, it was okay, or it was awesome. I've also had people tell me it was their favorite one, so I really think the GA doesn't mind it as much as fanboys here. Hell, my friend, a casual comic reader, really liked SM3 also. Really, SM3 isn't a flat out critical panning like Anno wants it to be, it's just very...mixed. Kinda like how QoS is made out to be a complete failure, but it's just a dividing movie.

It may not be critically panned, hell, we all know that there are way worse films, but it's a terrible film still, regardless. A huge step down from the other two Spidey films in Raimi's trilogy(which is not the case when TDKR is at least critically better viewed than BB). 63% rating from critics and 54% audience rating on RT which is FAR different from Raimi's first two films which cannot be said the same for TDKR comparing to BB and TDK, lol. And yes, I am using ratings and what not as an example, but it holds massive truth even if some don't want to believe it.

 

[roach]

Excuse my ignorance, but WALLOPING WEBSNAPPERS THAT NEW SUIT IS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC AND AMAZING. But wow, just heard about it and saw it. Yeah, it looks a lot like the Raimi suit but I can look past the fact. From this photo it looks like they just changed the eyes and tweaked the logo. But hey, if it ain't broke don't fix it right? The eyes are really comic booky and I'm so glad they adopted the Raimi suit as a blueprint.

There are some full body pics and its got the belt and boots of the raimi version as well.

 

[SpideyVille]

There are some full body pics and its got the belt and boots of the raimi version as well.

I just saw some of the set pics ,and the belt looks a bit wider, while the boots look more like Raimi's, but a bit shorter. The spider on the back looks like it might be the same, but I think they kept the front design thin like in the first one. The red on the arms look a look a little weird too.

 

[henzINNIT]

And yes, I am using ratings and what not as an example, but it holds massive truth even if some don't want to believe it.

The massive truth is a higher percentage of RT users like TDKR than they do SM3. That doesn't render comparisons between the two null and void. Whatever makes you feel better though.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Just saw Spider-Man 2 again, and here's an issue for some reason I never picked on:
Harry Osborn hears some laughs, then sees his father in the mirror, Norman tells Harry to avenge him but Harry rejects cause Peter is his friend
Mirror broken, secret GOBLIN lair, Harry kinda enjoy the discovery? Everything then builds to going downhill
I blame Spider-Man 3 for going on with it

I actually like the raised webbing.

Thank you

 

[SpideyVille]

Just saw Spider-Man 2 again, and here's an issue for some reason I never picked on:
Harry Osborn hears some laughs, then sees his father in the mirror, Norman tells Harry to avenge him but Harry rejects cause Peter is his friend
Mirror broken, secret GOBLIN lair, Harry kinda enjoy the discovery? Everything then builds to going downhill
I blame Spider-Man 3 for going on with it

Yeah, this was one of my biggest problems with how they handled this arc in SM3. The end of SM2 is ambiguous because you don't know if Harry took the serum or not, and I felt like they could have dragged that out a bit longer in a sequel, where Harry struggles to decide whether he should do it or not. But then the open SM3 up with him coming out of the chamber in the first 5 minutes and it wasn't dramatic at all. Not to mention it was very pointless since he gets amnesia slowly after (which is a horrible plot device) and he's basically useless for half of the film.

It was a complete waste of a storyline and I think the only reason they went with it right away was because on some level, they all felt like that would be the last film.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The massive truth is a higher percentage of RT users like TDKR than they do SM3. That doesn't render comparisons between the two null and void. Whatever makes you feel better though.

You would think people would like it less if TDKR were dull as well, wouldn't you say? I don't get how that idea just slips past you.

 

[henzINNIT]

Yeah, this was one of my biggest problems with how they handled this arc in SM3. The end of SM2 is ambiguous because you don't know if Harry took the serum or not, and I felt like they could have dragged that out a bit longer in a sequel, where Harry struggles to decide whether he should do it or not. But then the open SM3 up with him coming out of the chamber in the first 5 minutes and it wasn't dramatic at all. Not to mention it was very pointless since he gets amnesia slowly after (which is a horrible plot device) and he's basically useless for half of the film.

It was a complete waste of a storyline and I think the only reason they went with it right away was because on some level, they all felt like that would be the last film.

Didn't bother me, but there certainly could have been a lot more material for Harry and his descent. This is one of the things lost in the struggle to contain 3 seperate villains. Ultimately, Raimi & co were more interested in Harry's redemption than his fall and I'm happy with how that was handled. Shame Harry had to die though.

Watching the film over, I always find myself laughing at Harry's amnesiac attitude. I can see why people thought it was an act. It may as well have been too. Would have been more interesting.

You would think people would like it less if TDKR were dull as well, wouldn't you say? I don't get how that idea just slips past you.

Actually I've mentioned this before, and queried whether opinions would change over time, as they're pretty similar overall.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Yeah, this was one of my biggest problems with how they handled this arc in SM3. The end of SM2 is ambiguous because you don't know if Harry took the serum or not, and I felt like they could have dragged that out a bit longer in a sequel, where Harry struggles to decide whether he should do it or not. But then the open SM3 up with him coming out of the chamber in the first 5 minutes and it wasn't dramatic at all. Not to mention it was very pointless since he gets amnesia slowly after (which is a horrible plot device) and he's basically useless for half of the film.

It was a complete waste of a storyline and I think the only reason they went with it right away was because on some level, they all felt like that would be the last film.

Well, Harry didn't take the serum since his first appearance in SM3, he was in the theater angry at Peter, then he took the serum
I'm thinking now of why did he not think about his father tossing a bomb at the balcony he was in? And how did he come with the decision to kill his friend after "WTF? NO WAY AM I HURTING MY FRIEND"

Didn't bother me, but there certainly could have been a lot more material for Harry and his descent. This is one of the things lost in the struggle to contain 3 seperate villains. Ultimately, Raimi & co were more interested in Harry's redemption than his fall and I'm happy with how that was handled. Shame Harry had to die though.

Watching the film over, I always find myself laughing at Harry's amnesiac attitude. I can see why people thought it was an act. It may as well have been too. Would have been more interesting.

I think Harry's amnesia is the one thing Raimi films did better than the comics
Early Lee comics explained Norman Osborn is a bad guy long before turning green, going amnesiac and forgetting he's the Goblin is ridiculous
Harry at least was a nice guy turned mad, his amnesia story makes better sense

 

[SpideyVille]

Well, Harry didn't take the serum since his first appearance in SM3, he was in the theater angry at Peter, then he took the serum
I'm thinking now of why did he not think about his father tossing a bomb at the balcony he was in? And how did he come with the decision to kill his friend after "WTF? NO WAY AM I HURTING MY FRIEND"

Well that's what I mean. I've always said, it would have been much more interesting if they saved Harry's transformation for the next film. I always wanted to see Harry get an arc similar to what Eddie had in the 90's cartoon after he became Venom, where he kept stalking Pete and MJ just to get under Peter's skin. It would have also caused some trouble for Pete and MJ since she was still Harry's friend and didn't know that Norman was the Goblin, so she would think Peter was being unfair for being weary of Harry.

They could have used SM3 to have Harry really struggle with what he wanted to do, not to mention to really think about what his father being the Goblin meant. But it was like he saw the Goblin Lair and forgot about all of the evil things Norman did, just out of his love and loyalty to his father. But like I said, it was all rushed a bit because there was no guarantee for a fourth film.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Introduction of MJ + Costume that actually looks like Spider-Man = "We got it wrong/Raimi's was better!"

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Introduction of MJ + Costume that actually looks like Spider-Man = "We got it wrong/Raimi's was better!"