Comics The OFFICIAL: ICEMAN Discussion Thread

[HandOfFate]

I'm a huge Iceman fan... I hate it that the writers have abused his character and his power too for so long :/.

One day everybody will know Iceman > Storm. >_>.

Why you put Storm in that? She hasn't done anything to Iceman

I'm sure Profezzor would like to keep this from becoming a Storm Vs anybody thread.

 

[Icicle]

That's probably right >_>. But I still I like watching him dish out against Storm fans. And why Storm? Er.. Well, from another message board, I started a Storm Vs Iceman thread, and I keep getting bombarded with Storms fans claiming Storm can "rape" Iceman in a million ways.

But that's off topic. Yeah... I liked Iceman since I saw him build a bridge in the X-men Evolution series. Then, he's pretty cool in the movies too.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

That's probably right >_>. But I still I like watching him dish out against Storm fans. And why Storm? Er.. Well, from another message board, I started a Storm Vs Iceman thread, and I keep getting bombarded with Storms fans claiming Storm can "rape" Iceman in a million ways.

But that's off topic. Yeah... I liked Iceman since I saw him build a bridge in the X-men Evolution series. Then, he's pretty cool in the movies too.

It's useless to argue with Storm fans. I spent the better half of 15 or more pages explaining how Iceman is greater in a lot of different ways. But I digress....

 

[stormcloud03]

From my point of view they are both great characters!
I started liking iceman in the ultimate universe

 

[ironmaidenrules]

iceman can control fire too

he just hasn't done it yet

he has complete temp control

he can be fireman if he wanted too

he can wipe out all of existence if he wanted too

he can become the planet
all water will be him
all water vapor will be him


heck, give him time to control ur movements by messing with ur body since u have water in u.

my only question is what he can do on a cosmic level.
does he need to breathe when in his ice form? how would this affect space travel

would he need a suit?

 

[ProfeZZor X]

iceman can control fire too, he just hasn't done it yet, he has complete temp control, he can be fireman if he wanted too,
he can wipe out all of existence if he wanted too, he can become the planet, all water will be him, all water vapor will be him, heck, give him time to control ur movements by messing with ur body since u have water in u.
my only question is what he can do on a cosmic level. does he need to breathe when in his ice form? how would this affect space travel, would he need a suit?

Uh.......???

 

[HandOfFate]

iceman can control fire too

he just hasn't done it yet

Uh...no. You can't freeze fire. I'm going to let you marinate on that one...okay.

he can be fireman if he wanted too

How?!?

he can wipe out all of existence if he wanted too

Uh...no again

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Uh...no. You can't freeze fire. I'm going to let you marinate on that one...okay.

No you can't but what was the very first thing Iceman did in the first X-Men movie?..... Freeze Pyro's fire ball in class.

Uh...no again

Actually.... This is the actual quote on Iceman's profile from the "198 Files (Office of National Emergency)" book that came out back in November 2005:

"One of Charles Xavier's first X-Men, Robert "Bobby" Drake has long been insecure about the use of his mutant powers. Although encounters with Loki, Mikhail Rasputin and Emma Frost have repeatedly allowed him glances at his full potential as an omega-level mutant, Drake has never permitted himself to fully explore his abilities. While he could theoretically represent one of the greatest mutant threats in existence, the notion that Drake might realize his full potential in the foreseeable future seems remote, given the fact that he has been content with his skill level for years. Caution when dealing with Drake is still required, however. During Operation Zero Tolerance, he was one of a select few mutants to offer a meaningful resistance, leading a group of mutants right to Bastion's doorstep. He is expeceted to be among the first to oppose similar measures in the future."

 

[HandOfFate]

No you can't but what was the very first thing Iceman did in the first X-Men movie?..... Freeze Pyro's fire ball in class.

More then likely he extinguish the flames and replace them with an ice sculpture of a fireball. Fire is not something you can freeze, it doesn't work that way. There no water to freeze in fire.

Actually.... This is the actual quote on Iceman's profile from the "198 Files (Office of National Emergency)" book that came out back in November 2005:

I have the book and nowhere in there does it say anything about him destorying all of existence.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

More then likely he extinguish the flames and replace them with an ice sculpture of a fireball. Fire is not something you can freeze, it doesn't work that way. There no water to freeze in fire.

I was just messing with you on that one. I know you can't freeze fire.

I have the book and nowhere in there does it say anything about him destorying all of existence.

I never said that. I just pointed out verbatum what it said about him in his profile. Which was that he COULD BE one of the greatest threats in existence.

 

[javon]

"One of Charles Xavier's first X-Men, Robert "Bobby" Drake has long been insecure about the use of his mutant powers. Although encounters with Loki, Mikhail Rasputin and Emma Frost have repeatedly allowed him glances at his full potential as an omega-level mutant, Drake has never permitted himself to fully explore his abilities. While he could theoretically represent one of the greatest mutant threats in existence, the notion that Drake might realize his full potential in the foreseeable future seems remote, given the fact that he has been content with his skill level for years. Caution when dealing with Drake is still required, however. During Operation Zero Tolerance, he was one of a select few mutants to offer a meaningful resistance, leading a group of mutants right to Bastion's doorstep. He is expeceted to be among the first to oppose similar measures in the future."

You must have gone back and looked through that again...

 

[Gilpesh]

I have to say Iceman is awesome and gets the short end of the stick most of the time.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

You must have gone back and looked through that again...

No, "ironmaidenrules" made that assumption about Iceman, not me. I would never claim that Iceman could wipe out existence.... Unless there was something mentioned in the books directly that he could. Maybe Carey will do a brief story on that. Or at least mention something along that line.

But the real question is: Who is Iceman going to be dating in Carey's run?

All these stigmas about him being bi-sexual or gay is really pissing me off. Not that I have a problem with homosexuality, but for everyone that claims that he is, hasn't come up with one shred of proof that he is homosexual. Some people claim that his enounter with "Cloud" was plenty of proof, but what a lot of them failed to notice was that as soon as Iceman found out that Cloud could shift from male to female genders, Iceman split.... To me, that sounds like a heteralsexual man.

And although that X-Men #190 seems interesting, I find it hard to believe that it'll be Mystique.

 

[D-day]

In the Xorn storyline Iceman grew to a couple of hundred feet by absorbing all the moisture from the air around him. It's always been hinted that he is one of the most powerful members of the team (i.e X-men #50) Why doesnt he do stuff like that more often??

 

[HandOfFate]

In the Xorn storyline Iceman grew to a couple of hundred feet by absorbing all the moisture from the air around him. It's always been hinted that he is one of the most powerful members of the team (i.e X-men #50) Why doesnt he do stuff like that more often??

He Lazy. Which is odd considering Professor X and Scott are both hard-asses when it comes to teaching

 

[ProfeZZor X]

He Lazy. Which is odd considering Professor X and Scott are both hard-asses when it to teaching

Makes you wonder why should he bother being a superhero at all, if he's that half-assed about being a mutant, or exploring his abilities. My suggestion on another forum was for him to leave the X-Men universe and join up with a more serious team, like the Avengers.... Being around such a serious group ought to put some hair on his chest, and turn him into a hero instead of a zero.

I picture Cap. or Ironman pulling him aside and telling him to drop the constant humor, and to ship up or ship out. That's what should happen. Even if something like that happened between him and Cyclops, Emma or Mystique would be satisfactory. I'd be okay with that.

 

[javon]

Nah. I thjink he should stick to X-men. Even though he doesn't do much. Now if their just gona waste his Omeganess, then they might as well give it to someone who desrves it..(Wistles supisuously).

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Nah. I thjink he should stick to X-men. Even though he doesn't do much. Now if their just gona waste his Omeganess, then they might as well give it to someone who desrves it..(Wistles supisuously).

That's my point. He doesn't do ANYTHING other than be a background character or comedy relief. Put him on a team that takes the superhero business seriously (Avengers, Astonishing X-Men), and you turn him into a respectable character.

That whole rogue group of characters in Carey's run may work for a minute, but I don't see it lasting long-term. And then where will Iceman be?

 

[javon]

Well you do have a point there.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Well you do have a point there.

I wonder if Carey will address the aftermath of House of M, because there are still a lot of ex X-Men floating around out there without powers (Chamber). Milligan screwed his run up by not addressing it, and going with his "What Lorna Saw/Apocalypse" piece of crap. One of the biggest events in mutant history, and all he can do is write about a washed up and highly predictable villain.

By the way, when does Carey's first run hit news stands?

 

[Joaqenix]

I wonder if Carey will address the aftermath of House of M, because there are still a lot of ex X-Men floating around out there without powers (Chamber). Milligan screwed his run up by not addressing it, and going with his "What Lorna Saw/Apocalypse" piece of crap. One of the biggest events in mutant history, and all he can do is write about a washed up and highly predictable villain.

Honestly, NO one addressed Decimation except X-Factor. I get that Whedon has this big plan hes been working on, but the fact that the "flagship" X-men book is so out of continuity they can't even address possibly the biggest occurance ever in the mutant world is incredibly disappointing. Uncanny is doing some Braddock family thing, and X-Men is dealing with a washed up villain like you said.

I thought they kept saying that House of M was going to have massive reprecussions or whatever, when in reality its basically had no visible effect whatsoever. Even Generation M, which was supposed to focus on the mutants who lost their powers, instead focused on some new journalist and a pointless serial killer.

Sorry for that rant. On Iceman, Carey has reiterated over and over that Iceman will be a major part of his run on the book, so lets hope he keeps to that promise.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Honestly, NO one addressed Decimation except X-Factor. I get that Whedon has this big plan hes been working on, but the fact that the "flagship" X-men book is so out of continuity they can't even address possibly the biggest occurance ever in the mutant world is incredibly disappointing. Uncanny is doing some Braddock family thing, and X-Men is dealing with a washed up villain like you said.

I thought they kept saying that House of M was going to have massive reprecussions or whatever, when in reality its basically had no visible effect whatsoever. Even Generation M, which was supposed to focus on the mutants who lost their powers, instead focused on some new journalist and a pointless serial killer.

Sorry for that rant. On Iceman, Carey has reiterated over and over that Iceman will be a major part of his run on the book, so lets hope he keeps to that promise.

And I've said it many times over, that it seems like Joe "Q" is over at Marvel just to collect a paycheck, and doesn't care about the product, other than to put out meaningless stories to fill up comic book shelves. I wish Stan Lee was in his prime, so he could kick the living crap out of Joe "Q" for messing up his flagship magazine.

P.S. - When will Carey's X-Men book be on shelves?

 

[GreatWhiteWhale]

Hmm... Iceman has soooo much potential for a writer.

I'm amazed someone hasn't come along and taken him to the forefront of the X-books. The last great and challenging Iceman/X-Men story i remember was X-Men 65 -69, where he led Marrow and Cecillia reyes against the prime sentinels.

Yeah Led. He was a leader, better than Cyke and Storm even.

He was was also a father, and is an amazing powerhouse. But he just keeps on being the prankster so he doesnt have to deal with his reality of responsibility.

Man, we need someone to come along and deconstruct and redirect him like Whedon is doing for Cyclops. I just want to see some cool Iceman stories dammit!

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm amazed someone hasn't come along and taken him to the forefront of the X-books. The last great and challenging Iceman/X-Men story i remember was X-Men 65 -69, where he led Marrow and Cecillia reyes against the prime sentinels.

That was a good story, especially at the end when he created that clone of himself, and had Bastion thinking he was beating the crap out of Iceman. Good one.... Although I think X-Men Forever was a little better, because it dealt a little more on who he was as a person and mutant, and what he could achieve if someone (Prosh, the living space ship) showed him how great he could be.

Yeah Led. He was a leader, better than Cyke and Storm even.

I'm not too sure about him being a better leader than Cyke or Storm, simply because he had a hard time keeping Reyes and Marrow from ripping each others heads off most of the time.

He was was also a father, and is an amazing powerhouse. But he just keeps on being the prankster so he doesnt have to deal with his reality of responsibility.

The Iceman mini series was the absolute worst thing to happen to his Marvel career. I mean, he gets lured to Japan to help out an ex-girlfriend that he doesn't get along with so he can rescue a son he thinks is his, only to find out in the end that it really wasn't his. Then to add insult to injury, he says it's no problem and no hard feelings. What... The... ****ing... Hell? I guess it was a lot easier for Opal to have Bobby travel 7000 miles to Japan to rescue this bastard of a son of hers, instead of calling Sunfire, or Silver Samurai to do the same job.

What WOULD have made this story great, is if Iceman travelled to Japan to bring down that bio-engineering company, and it was defended by Sunfire, and shortly along the way they do battle, with it being a draw or Iceman defeats him. Now that's a better story.

Man, we need someone to come along and deconstruct and redirect him like Whedon is doing for Cyclops. I just want to see some cool Iceman stories dammit!

We still have yet to see if that'll happen with Carey's run, but I have faith.... My only concern is what the next writer AFTER Carey's run will do to Iceman.

 

[Iced_up]

I only got into comics these last few years reading Ultimate versions and Iceman immediatley became my favourite.

I do wish they'd give him a bigger role in the movies, he hasn't had much to do so far, but when he beat Pyro in X3 was really cool.