Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[Super78]

How old are Dougherty and Harris?

Can we please Dith these lames, but if Singer returns, you can bet they'll be back.

I wonder how they got the jobs in the first place.........

Alright, come on.

Its pretty much common knowledge that Doherty and Harris with Singer are "one the same" -- if you catch my drift.

All three did vacation in Hawaii together and came up with the story to SR.

Vacation in Hawaii TOGETHER.

Anyway, D&H must also EXIT the Superman franchise along with Singer.

I mean, these are the guys who thought of the great plan of having Supes LEAVE earth for 5 years, while making him into a deadbeat dad!

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

Alright, come on.

Its pretty much common knowledge that Doherty and Harris with Singer are "one the same" -- if you catch my drift.

All three did vacation in Hawaii together and came up with the story to SR.

Vacation in Hawaii TOGETHER.

Yup, cause gay people can't write or direct worth a crap, right?

 

[Substance D]

Yup, cause gay people can't write or direct worth a crap, right?

not those three. LOL.

 

[explode7]

I think there shouldn't be a sequel to SR.

 

[C. Lee]

Nobody here can honestly say that Lex's plan in SR was well thought out and made sense. Nobody here can explain why Superman almost died because of a kryptonite shank, but he could lift an entire island made of kryptonite. Nobody here can explain why Superman left and didn't say goodbye. He's Superman, he always does the right thing. Nobody here can justify Superman's ability to knock-up Lois, and not reveal himself to be Clark. It may be easier to let Richard be Jason's father, but it isn't the right thing to do. Superman always does the right thing. Who decided Lex wearing wigs was something that needed to be on film? That was lame and outdated. How can Superman have a 10 minute struggle with a plane, yet show little or less effort lifting an island. Why was it so easy for Lex to walk right into the Fortress of Solitude? Explain that to me. Go ahead, I'd like to see you try.

I believe that I've given a valid explanation for almost all of these things in these threads somewhere....that doesn't mean that I expect you to except them....just that I gave decent explanations.

 

[C. Lee]

Alright, come on.

Its pretty much common knowledge that Doherty and Harris with Singer are "one the same" -- if you catch my drift.

Caucasian?
American?
Short?
Brown haired?
In the entertainment business?

All three did vacation in Hawaii together and came up with the story to SR.

Vacation in Hawaii TOGETHER.

Like almost all college guys do on spring break? Cool!!



In case you are too dense to get my subtle sarcasm....try this.....keep your homophobia out of this site.

 

[Showtime]

Unbelievable. I bet most of these people criticizing the script, haven't actually even read the script. The script flowed much better than the movie in my opinion and I like their writing styles.

 

[igotatromboner]

I believe that I've given a valid explanation for almost all of these things in these threads somewhere....that doesn't mean that I expect you to except them....just that I gave decent explanations.

Wow, good argument. "I've given valid explanations elsewhere" isn't an argument. Until you give them here there is no argument. I don't have to accept anything, especially when you claim to have made an argument not in this thread. Try again, because like I said. Nobody can explain that crap on film.

 

[C. Lee]

Wow, good argument. "I've given valid explanations elsewhere" isn't an argument. Until you give them here there is no argument. I don't have to accept anything, especially when you claim to have made an argument not in this thread. Try again, because like I said. Nobody can explain that crap on film.

It wasn't meant as an argument (I like to discuss many things, argue nothing....arguing is a waste of time)....you said no one could explain those things...I stated that I had given decent explanations for it before. Now....you can either search for them....or, if you can be patient (and not so hurry to "start an argument")....you can wait until I have time to re-write them for you. Try to act civil and get the chip off of your shoulder and life will flow more smoothly.

 

[Showtime]

Wow, good argument. "I've given valid explanations elsewhere" isn't an argument. Until you give them here there is no argument. I don't have to accept anything, especially when you claim to have made an argument not in this thread. Try again, because like I said. Nobody can explain that crap on film.

Actually, he did explain it, I believe it was in more than one thread. He provided and explanation, and just as you don't have to accept it, he doesn't have to justify it again and again to please you. I notice you use the word "argument" instead of "debate".

 

[Super78]

Caucasian?
American?
Short?
Brown haired?
In the entertainment business?


Like almost all college guys do on spring break? Cool!!



In case you are too dense to get my subtle sarcasm....try this.....keep your homophobia out of this site.

Yeah, okay, whatever you say.

Again, Doherty and Harris were just as clueless as Singer as how to approach Superman.

I mean, come on, these guys actually thought that it was a good story to have Superman re-appear after a so-called 5 year disapperance and discover that he fathered a child with Lois. And then re-hash the same Lex storyline from Donner's STM (only this time to create a 'new krypton'?? WTF???)

Stupid stupid stupid.

 

[Showtime]

Yeah, okay, whatever you say.

Again, Doherty and Harris were just as clueless as Singer as how to approach Superman.

I mean, come on, these guys actually thought that it was a good story to have Superman re-appear after a so-called 5 year disapperance and discover that he fathered a child with Lois. And then re-hash the same Lex storyline from Donner's STM (only this time to create a 'new krypton'?? WTF???)

Stupid stupid stupid.

Thats actually a really good plotpoint and if the entire script was allowed on screen in it's entirety it would have been a better film. More rounded out, with Lex responsible for Superman's disappearance.

 

[Substance D]

Thats actually a really good plotpoint and if the entire script was allowed on screen in it's entirety it would have been a better film. More rounded out, with Lex responsible for Superman's disappearance.

yeah, show how the whole world was effected and not just lois.

 

[matrix_ghost]

If WB has given Brian Singer soo much creative freedom and still sticks with him despite Sr not making the amount of cash they had hoped for , why didn't they just let brian shoot the movie as it was written.

Or better yet , why did brian singer then cut down more important which would then show that Lex luthor was responsible for Supes leaving earth

Why do i have a feeling that somewhere in the near future WB is going to cash out on a extended version of SR

 

[Showtime]

yeah, show how the whole world was effected and not just lois.

That's what I thought the original idea was, it got lost somewhere in the movie. I thought the world was going to be in shambles, and the people would now be resentful. Now Superman has to win back Lois and the world.

 

[Substance D]

That's what I thought the original idea was, it got lost somewhere in the movie. I thought the world was going to be in shambles, and the people would now be resentful. Now Superman has to win back Lois and the world.

singer and his cronies are always talking big, but never deliver.

 

[Showtime]

I dont know about that, according to box office and fan reaction they delivered big with Xmen and X2. On returns there are just as many that liked the movie to those who didn't. The box office was good, not great.

 

[Substance D]

I dont know about that, according to box office and fan reaction they delivered big with Xmen and X2. On returns there are just as many that liked the movie to those who didn't. The box office was good, not great.

i'm talking about with ideas. people complained about x1 not having enough action or teamwork. singer said x2 was going to be bigger and better. it was basically x1 with better special effects. we wouldn't get big, epic fight scenes and teamwork until ratner took over. and you already agree that sr missed alot of opportunities to show how supe's vacation effected the world. and added to that, it still lacked action. there's no reason why it couldn't have had drama and action, other than singer lacking vision.

 

[Showtime]

i'm talking about with ideas. people complained about x1 not having enough action or teamwork. singer said x2 was going to be bigger and better. it was basically x1 with better special effects. we wouldn't get big, epic fight scenes and teamwork until ratner took over. and you already agree that sr missed alot of opportunities to show how supe's vacation effected the world. and added to that, it still lacked action. there's no reason why it couldn't have had drama and action, other than singer lacking vision.

I wasn't a big fan of Xmen and X2 at first viewing, I have since grown to really enjoy Xmen. I think X3 was a jumbled mess compared to what Singer did with the franchise. Sure there was some cool sequences and it was a fun movie, but X3 had horrendous dialogue and a huge plothole that is ridiculous.

Superman Returns missed alot of opportunities in the editing room and also in subsequent script rewrites the main focus of their idea was watered down. Was it a horrible film, no, but it could have been better. Just like X3 could have been better.

 

[Substance D]

I wasn't a big fan of Xmen and X2 at first viewing, I have since grown to really enjoy Xmen. I think X3 was a jumbled mess compared to what Singer did with the franchise. Sure there was some cool sequences and it was a fun movie, but X3 had horrendous dialogue and a huge plothole that is ridiculous.

Superman Returns missed alot of opportunities in the editing room and also in subsequent script rewrites the main focus of their idea was watered down. Was it a horrible film, no, but it could have been better. Just like X3 could have been better.

i never said x3 was good. x2 was a waste and didn't progess the story any further. x3 should have been x2, leaving the third movie open for a new villian.

SR just sucked on too many levels. Singer really dropped the ball on that peice of crap.

 

[Showtime]

i never said x3 was good. x2 was a waste and didn't progess the story any further. x3 should have been x2, leaving the third movie open for a new villian.

SR just sucked on too many levels. Singer really dropped the ball on that peice of crap.

I didn't say you did? Did I?

I was giving my opinion on X3. Alot of people love X2, just like alot of people loved SR. I thought Returns was better than SR, and I liked it, I think more could have been done and I think they hacked off to much of the meaty stuff.

 

[Substance D]

I didn't say you did? Did I?

I was giving my opinion on X3. Alot of people love X2, just like alot of people loved SR. I thought Returns was better than SR, and I liked it, I think more could have been done and I think they hacked off to much of the meaty stuff.

well, all that stuff wouldn't fix what was left in. routh, bostworth, the kid, campy lex, land schemes, goofy henchmen, bumbling clark, routh, singer, the writers, ottman... they all have to go.

 

[Showtime]

well, all that stuff wouldn't fix what was left in. routh, bostworth, the kid, campy lex, land schemes, goofy henchmen, bumbling clark, routh, singer, the writers, ottman... they all have to go.

Not on your plane then I guess, I thought Routh was solid in the role of Superman and Clark. I thought Spacey was much less campy than Hackman, and he was fine for the role. The land scheme I could have done without, the hencheman seemed pretty brutal compared with previous renditions. I thought Singer did a decent job along with his writers, Ottman take it or leave it.

 

[Substance D]

Not on your plane then I guess, I thought Routh was solid in the role of Superman and Clark. I thought Spacey was much less campy than Hackman, and he was fine for the role. The land scheme I could have done without, the hencheman seemed pretty brutal compared with previous renditions. I thought Singer did a decent job along with his writers, Ottman take it or leave it.

yeah, but do you think it was worth a 20 yr wait? do you think it was as great as it could have been, or as great as a superman movie deserves to be? i really don't even think it was a decent superman movie. now we'll have to wait 20 more years for a restart, and by then no one will care, because we'll have the technology to make everyone like superman...

 

[Showtime]

yeah, but do you think it was worth a 20 yr wait? do you think it was as great as it could have been, or as great as a superman movie deserves to be? i really don't even think it was a decent superman movie. now we'll have to wait 20 more years for a restart, and by then no one will care, because we'll have the technology to make everyone like superman...

I don't believe anything could live up to what a Superman movie should be. I think it was a nice way to introduce him but could have been better. I think you'll only have to wait until 2009 for a sequel.