The Avengers The Official Rate/Review Thread for Marvel's The Avengers! (TAG SPOILERS!!!)

[3 Dev Adam]

If Ronny hates aliens then he will despise a World's Finest film with Batman and that alien guy from Krypton.

 

[Hunter Rider]

GREAT review! Thanks!

Awesome review right there,Can't wait to see the midnight show tomorrow night!!

Great review, HR! I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Will you go back to see it a second or third time?

Thanks guys, I'm certain you'll all really enjoy it.

I never usually see any movie twice at the cinema Raiden, but I may make an exception.

With all do respect to the mods, some people really dont seem to understand, and therefore follow through on directions in regards to spoilers. I came into this thread anticipating well thought out, WELL EXECUTED reviews of the movie. Nothing is definitive, beause I havent seen the movie. But I think the scene I was most looking forward to was spoiled, judging by what I have been given to go by anyway. I dont know if there is a way to "crackdown", but if there is, that would be nice. Some people are just being very irresponsible with their language regarding detail. For all I know, Avengers 2 will be about Tyr leading an army of Skrulls against Surturs army of Kree, and the Avengers have to stop them from wiping each other out. Only Ive been led heavily (possibly spoiled) to believe otherwise.

Sorry but a lot of mods haven't seen it either so it's hard for them to patrol this type of thread. I've always went with the policy of just not looking at reviews if I don't want anything spoiled, just to be on the safe side.

 

[El Payaso]

If Ronny hates aliens then he will despise a World's Finest film with Batman and that alien guy from Krypton.

He hates aliens, not an alien.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

You humans are all racist.

 

[mace1]

what do you guys think of ebert review?



Ebert

Thor - 1.5
The Incredible Hulk - 2.5
Captain America - 3
The Avengers - 3
Iron Man 2 - 3
Iron Man - 4







Here it is.
http://rogerebert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120502/REVIEWS/120509997

other comments
The critic we have all been waiting for.. Roger Ebert
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/board/thread/198471340


ROGER EBERT=3 STARS
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/board/flat/198470325?p=1

 

[BigThor]

The only reason he hated Thor so much is because he didn't even understand it's basic plot points.

 

[HandofDoom]

Ok so on third (ish) watch the other day i noticed something:

Spoiler

When Loki is talking to the Chitauri General, the general says to him, "You think you know pain? HE will make you long for something sweet as pain"

HE?? Hmm wonder who.

After re-reading the Infinity Gauntlet last week, this brings to mind Eros and Nebula all piccaso - zombied out at that hands of Thanos. Even as powerful as Loki is, Thanos would own him.

Just a neat little bit of foreshadowing..

 

[El Payaso]

what do you guys think of ebert review?



Ebert

Thor - 1.5
The Incredible Hulk - 2.5
Captain America - 3
The Avengers - 3
Iron Man 2 - 3
Iron Man - 4

Not my list but I could understand that. Except that I'd put Iron Man 2 lower on the list.

The only reason he hated Thor so much is because he didn't even understand it's basic plot points.

Haven't read his review. Maybe he was annoyed by Jane and her idiotic friend as much as I was?

I mean, what is there to Thor's plot that difficult to understand?

 

[spider-neil]

what do you guys think of ebert review?



Ebert

Thor - 1.5
The Incredible Hulk - 2.5
Captain America - 3
The Avengers - 3
Iron Man 2 - 3
Iron Man - 4







Here it is.
http://rogerebert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120502/REVIEWS/120509997

other comments
The critic we have all been waiting for.. Roger Ebert
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/board/thread/198471340


ROGER EBERT=3 STARS
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/board/flat/198470325?p=1

1.5 for thor? ouch!

 

[Quasimod0]

He just didnt get it. He was describing things that you could only get wrong if you didnt pay attention to the film

 

[BigThor]

Haven't read his review. Maybe he was annoyed by Jane and her idiotic friend as much as I was?

I mean, what is there to Thor's plot that difficult to understand?

Just go read his review, you'll see exactly what I mean.

 

[Raiden]

N

Haven't read his review. Maybe he was annoyed by Jane and her idiotic friend as much as I was?

I mean, what is there to Thor's plot that difficult to understand?

I was under the impression that Ebert didn't even give Thor a proper review, just a long rant about weird stuff.

 

[spider-neil]

He just didnt get it. He was describing things that you could only get wrong if you didnt pay attention to the film

I think I'll read his review. I always give ebert a pass as he gave SM2 4 stars



okay, have just read his thor review and he certainly doesn't pull any punches. to be fair to ebert I thought the second thor gets to earth the movie grinds to an absolute halt and when climax kicks in at the end it's blink and you miss it.

 

[Figs]

what do you guys think of ebert review?



Ebert

Thor - 1.5
The Incredible Hulk - 2.5
Captain America - 3
The Avengers - 3
Iron Man 2 - 3
Iron Man - 4

Personally I find Thor to be my second or third favorite Marvel film(haven't seen the Avengers yet). I'm sorry, but I find the movie to be a lot of fun. A lot of it does have to do with Hemsworth and Hiddleston's performances, but I just really enjoyed the movie despite all it's flaws. It was definitely better than the IM2 and TIH's theatrical version.

 

[Fenrir]

OK, so I got from seeing The Avengers a second time and after absolutely loving it the first time I will say this - this movie might not hold up as well during repeat viewing. Once the wow-factor of seeing so many comic book icons was out of the way, I realised that the jokes and humor played a huge role in how much you enjoyed the film the first time around. Today though, I already knew the jokes so I was ready to dig in deep to find some more meat and depth that I might have missed earlier but what I found was that without the deflecting power of humor, the film's flaws become that much more apparent. There is a lot of cheese in The Avengers, especially during the third act. Loki gets some moments to shine but by the end, he stops being a viable threat and devolves into a joke...

Spoiler

...especially that little whine he lets out and his silly facial expression after the Hulk smashes him around like a ragdoll. Making a mockery out of the main villain of the movie is generally not a good idea. When it comes to writing, Stark easily got the best lines followed by Banner (not the Hulk) and Thor (I absolutely love the way he mocks "you humans are so petty!". Comparatively, Captain America and Hawkeye got the shaft in the writing department and Black Widow often came off as too smug, pretentious and annoying.

I was also really cringing during some of the ending stuff such as news footage of that lone girl going "Captain America saved my life, so wherever he is, thank you". I mean, really? Tony's "one-way trip" sequence was just a complete miss, because a) Hulk catching his fall was spoiled in oh-so-many trailers and TV spots and b)nothing in the film gives any indication whatsoever that it was something that you might genuinely expect to happen. The tone of the entire movie is very playful and half-serious, and the fact that Iron Man 3 has already been announced, the scenes of Thor, Hulk and Cap looking at a presumed-to-be-dead Tony come off as emotionally artificial, forced and unnecessary. The first time, it was funny to see Hulk's scream waking Tony up and then the big green guy thumping his chest, but not so much the second time around.

The writing in general is not bad, it's just that its quality jumps up and down too much and too often like a rollercoaster ride, and the lack of consistency almost makes it feel like about one-third of the film was written by completely different writers.

I don't know, maybe I've lost my sense of humor. Maybe I am not using the proper criteria but I will be the first to say this - in the long term, The Avengers will be viewed far more favourably by the general audience than it would be in the fanboy community. That is because if there is one thing I know about hardcore devotees in general, is that we are very detail-oriented (obsessively so) and can be very unforgiving of minor flaws because they just tend to stick out more and more as time passes by. When you think of Marvel's best efforts to date - X2, Spiderman 2, First Class, Iron Man - they are considered fan favourites not because of the immense first impression they made, but because they withstood the test of time, because those films had a lot going on underneath surface and rewarded repeat viewings. If your second and third experiences with The Avengers turns out anything like mine, then I am willing to bet that us fanboy lot are going to throw The Avengers off its pedestal almost as quickly as we put it up there.

 

[spider-neil]

my unbiased opinion of the marvel movies is iron man is (or was) lightning in a bottle, absolutely one of the best superhero movies ever made and a movie you show someone who has absolutely no time for superhero movies if you want to convince them of the superhero genre (I'd add TDK, BB, SM2, X2 to that list).

then you have avengers which for me is the most 'fun' superhero movie ever.
the plot is flimsy (it is, let's be honest here) but none of that matters because you care about the characters and you ust want to see them blow **** up and they oblige..in SPADES.

and then you have the other marvel movies, which for me whilst entertaining are flawed in some way or another which stops them from being truely satisfying.

IM2 - too much time is spend laying the groundwork for the avengers.
TIH - the frankly shoddy CG took me out of the movie, repeatedly.
THOR - the movie grinds to halt on earth and the climax is over way too quickly.
CA:TFA - the origin is excellent but the movie ends too abruptly.

so I place the movies in this order

IM - by a mile
avengers
IM2
Thor/CA:TFA - a tie and I can't seperate them
TIH

 

[spider-neil]

I don't know, maybe I've lost my sense of humor. Maybe I am not using the proper criteria but I will be the first to say this - in the long term, The Avengers will be viewed far more favourably by the general audience than it would be in the fanboy community. That is because if there is one thing I know about hardcore devotees in general, is that we are very detail-oriented (obsessively so) and can be very unforgiving of minor flaws because they just tend to stick out more and more as time passes by. When you think of Marvel's best efforts to date - X2, Spiderman 2, First Class, Iron Man - they are considered fan favourites not because of the immense first impression they made, but because they withstood the test of time, because those films had a lot going on underneath surface and rewarded repeat viewings. If your second and third experiences with The Avengers turns out anything like mine, then I am willing to bet that us fanboy lot are going to throw The Avengers off its pedestal almost as quickly as we put it up there.

agree with this completely. my first viewing of avengers I was geeking out, I didn't enjoy avengers as much the second time where my love of the movies you mentioned actually increased with repeat viewings. I will say this though, my initial viewing of avengers was 9/10, no question about it.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Ok, I just got back from seeing THE AVENGERS for a second time (this time in i-MAX) and yes rating has gone up to 10/10 and it's arguably the greatest movie of all time.

I would like to thank all of you who gave this movie less than 8/10; you have just completely discredited yourselves and I now know not to waste a microsecond reading anything you have, or ever will have, posted. It took a lot of guts; thanx.

Going back to see it again tomorrow if i-MAX is not sold out.

 

[El Payaso]

OK, so I got from seeing The Avengers a second time and after absolutely loving it the first time I will say this - this movie might not hold up as well during repeat viewing. Once the wow-factor of seeing so many comic book icons was out of the way, I realised that the jokes and humor played a huge role in how much you enjoyed the film the first time around. Today though, I already knew the jokes so I was ready to dig in deep to find some more meat and depth that I might have missed earlier but what I found was that without the deflecting power of humor, the film's flaws become that much more apparent. There is a lot of cheese in The Avengers, especially during the third act. Loki gets some moments to shine but by the end, he stops being a viable threat and devolves into a joke...

Spoiler

...especially that little whine he lets out and his silly facial expression after the Hulk smashes him around like a ragdoll. Making a mockery out of the main villain of the movie is generally not a good idea. When it comes to writing, Stark easily got the best lines followed by Banner (not the Hulk) and Thor (I absolutely love the way he mocks "you humans are so petty!". Comparatively, Captain America and Hawkeye got the shaft in the writing department and Black Widow often came off as too smug, pretentious and annoying.

I was also really cringing during some of the ending stuff such as news footage of that lone girl going "Captain America saved my life, so wherever he is, thank you". I mean, really? Tony's "one-way trip" sequence was just a complete miss, because a) Hulk catching his fall was spoiled in oh-so-many trailers and TV spots and b)nothing in the film gives any indication whatsoever that it was something that you might genuinely expect to happen. The tone of the entire movie is very playful and half-serious, and the fact that Iron Man 3 has already been announced, the scenes of Thor, Hulk and Cap looking at a presumed-to-be-dead Tony come off as emotionally artificial, forced and unnecessary. The first time, it was funny to see Hulk's scream waking Tony up and then the big green guy thumping his chest, but not so much the second time around.

The writing in general is not bad, it's just that its quality jumps up and down too much and too often like a rollercoaster ride, and the lack of consistency almost makes it feel like about one-third of the film was written by completely different writers.

I don't know, maybe I've lost my sense of humor. Maybe I am not using the proper criteria but I will be the first to say this - in the long term, The Avengers will be viewed far more favourably by the general audience than it would be in the fanboy community. That is because if there is one thing I know about hardcore devotees in general, is that we are very detail-oriented (obsessively so) and can be very unforgiving of minor flaws because they just tend to stick out more and more as time passes by. When you think of Marvel's best efforts to date - X2, Spiderman 2, First Class, Iron Man - they are considered fan favourites not because of the immense first impression they made, but because they withstood the test of time, because those films had a lot going on underneath surface and rewarded repeat viewings. If your second and third experiences with The Avengers turns out anything like mine, then I am willing to bet that us fanboy lot are going to throw The Avengers off its pedestal almost as quickly as we put it up there.

I'm afraid this is going to be my feeling after a second view. Once the razzle-dazzle is gone, there's not much behind. Good stuff, sure, but not the kind of material that makes a truly great movie.

And I don't think you've lost your sense of humour. It's just that humour here plays a big role where something else should be playing it.

 

[Lone]

Classy retort.

Why not just respect his opinion and move on?

Where's the fun in that?

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

OK, so I got from seeing The Avengers a second time and after absolutely loving it the first time I will say this - this movie might not hold up as well during repeat viewing. Once the wow-factor of seeing so many comic book icons was out of the way, I realised that the jokes and humor played a huge role in how much you enjoyed the film the first time around. Today though, I already knew the jokes so I was ready to dig in deep to find some more meat and depth that I might have missed earlier but what I found was that without the deflecting power of humor, the film's flaws become that much more apparent. There is a lot of cheese in The Avengers, especially during the third act. Loki gets some moments to shine but by the end, he stops being a viable threat and devolves into a joke...

Spoiler

...especially that little whine he lets out and his silly facial expression after the Hulk smashes him around like a ragdoll. Making a mockery out of the main villain of the movie is generally not a good idea. When it comes to writing, Stark easily got the best lines followed by Banner (not the Hulk) and Thor (I absolutely love the way he mocks "you humans are so petty!". Comparatively, Captain America and Hawkeye got the shaft in the writing department and Black Widow often came off as too smug, pretentious and annoying.

I was also really cringing during some of the ending stuff such as news footage of that lone girl going "Captain America saved my life, so wherever he is, thank you". I mean, really? Tony's "one-way trip" sequence was just a complete miss, because a) Hulk catching his fall was spoiled in oh-so-many trailers and TV spots and b)nothing in the film gives any indication whatsoever that it was something that you might genuinely expect to happen. The tone of the entire movie is very playful and half-serious, and the fact that Iron Man 3 has already been announced, the scenes of Thor, Hulk and Cap looking at a presumed-to-be-dead Tony come off as emotionally artificial, forced and unnecessary. The first time, it was funny to see Hulk's scream waking Tony up and then the big green guy thumping his chest, but not so much the second time around.

The writing in general is not bad, it's just that its quality jumps up and down too much and too often like a rollercoaster ride, and the lack of consistency almost makes it feel like about one-third of the film was written by completely different writers.

I don't know, maybe I've lost my sense of humor. Maybe I am not using the proper criteria but I will be the first to say this - in the long term, The Avengers will be viewed far more favourably by the general audience than it would be in the fanboy community. That is because if there is one thing I know about hardcore devotees in general, is that we are very detail-oriented (obsessively so) and can be very unforgiving of minor flaws because they just tend to stick out more and more as time passes by. When you think of Marvel's best efforts to date - X2, Spiderman 2, First Class, Iron Man - they are considered fan favourites not because of the immense first impression they made, but because they withstood the test of time, because those films had a lot going on underneath surface and rewarded repeat viewings. If your second and third experiences with The Avengers turns out anything like mine, then I am willing to bet that us fanboy lot are going to throw The Avengers off its pedestal almost as quickly as we put it up there.

Have to disagree with this, especially the bolded part.

To me, while the humor definitely one of the best thing about the movie, it's not the biggest thing that made the movie enjoyable...or even, judging by the critics,what made the movie works. The one thing that most people seems to responds to ( beside the actions) is the characterisations.

Even if you take out ALL the humor, there are still stand out 'character'
moments that make the movie more than just having these people together for the sake of just putting them together, Banner and Stark dialogue about their 'mutual problems' for example. If you're a comic fan,you'd appreciate that little exchange because it's just a great character monets for those two characters...and i'm betting you'll still appreciate them ten years from now.

Another thing that in my opinion is great about the movie is definitely the action scenes. Ultimately, you go to these movies because you'd want to see some kickass moments...i don't care what anybody else say, just like, ultimately,you go see Batman movie becaue you wanna see batman...preffereably him kicking ass.Not because you wanna see Bruce Wayne personal life.

Getting back to the Avengers action scenes...the only way i can describe it is that it's just brilliantly choreographed. The humor is just the cherry on top. Great pacing, you can see everything-none of thse shaky cam crap-that even if you take ALL the humor out, it's still one heck of a thrill ride.

So, yeah, if this movie is just an excuse to put all those characters together,without great writing, an actually lame action scenes, the yes.It'll be forgotten within a couple of years. But that is clearly not the case here.And judging by the reviews, it's safe to say that the movie got SOME quality

 

[First Avenger]

^this.I loved it even more the second time.

 

[Chewy]

Spoiler

...especially that little whine he lets out and his silly facial expression after the Hulk smashes him around like a ragdoll. Making a mockery out of the main villain of the movie is generally not a good idea. When it comes to writing, Stark easily got the best lines followed by Banner (not the Hulk) and Thor (I absolutely love the way he mocks "you humans are so petty!". Comparatively, Captain America and Hawkeye got the shaft in the writing department and Black Widow often came off as too smug, pretentious and annoying.

I was also really cringing during some of the ending stuff such as news footage of that lone girl going "Captain America saved my life, so wherever he is, thank you". I mean, really? Tony's "one-way trip" sequence was just a complete miss, because a) Hulk catching his fall was spoiled in oh-so-many trailers and TV spots and b)nothing in the film gives any indication whatsoever that it was something that you might genuinely expect to happen. The tone of the entire movie is very playful and half-serious, and the fact that Iron Man 3 has already been announced, the scenes of Thor, Hulk and Cap looking at a presumed-to-be-dead Tony come off as emotionally artificial, forced and unnecessary. The first time, it was funny to see Hulk's scream waking Tony up and then the big green guy thumping his chest, but not so much the second time around.

The writing in general is not bad, it's just that its quality jumps up and down too much and too often like a rollercoaster ride, and the lack of consistency almost makes it feel like about one-third of the film was written by completely different writers.

I don't know, maybe I've lost my sense of humor. Maybe I am not using the proper criteria but I will be the first to say this - in the long term, The Avengers will be viewed far more favourably by the general audience than it would be in the fanboy community.

Seems that way. And you're certainly not the first to say that, nor will you be the last.

Also, writing is not poor solely because it plays against expectations a tad. Nor can a sequence be qualified as "a mess" based on it having appeared in trailers.

 

[Raiden]

I'm afraid this is going to be my feeling after a second view. Once the razzle-dazzle is gone, there's not much behind. Good stuff, sure, but not the kind of material that makes a truly great movie.

And I don't think you've lost your sense of humour. It's just that humour here plays a big role where something else should be playing it.

I'm not that surprised about your comment, because you've made it clear that while the movie surpasses your expectation, you've never fully appreciate the movie. But as I said, the fact that this movie actually make you like it in spite of yourself and your Batman fandom is quite an accomplishment by itself.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

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