Venom The Official Rate & Review Venom Thread (SPOILERS!!!)

Discussion in 'Sony Spider-Man Spin-Offs' started by Spider-Fan, Oct 1, 2018.

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Rate the movie!

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  3. 8

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  4. 7

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  6. 5

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  1. Nardz937 In The Chill Of Night

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    It was so bad. A 4/10 feels spot-on honestly.

    Lazy, messy, a butchery of the source material and they degraded Eddie and Venom to being nothing more than a dumb comedy character.
     
  2. Ihmago Civilian

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    I wouldnt said the CGI looked awesome but it was still really good, Venom himself looked great but there were some parts like when a symbiote tried to bond with a homeless guy that didn't looked that good.
     
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  3. BaronZemo Civilian

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    The users here are known to be way more forgiving. There were 8s in the suicide squad forum for crying out loud. I wouldn't take it as a sign of quality.
     
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  4. ludovica Daddy Feige notice me!

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    Some users may be a bit forgiving, but way more users around this forum, as is the norm online, are regularly especially hard and harsh on things.
    So it goes both ways: I woudn't take bad reviews as a sign a movie is automatically not for me, it is more variable than that.

    Who says they enjoyed themselves (very much) also acknowledges there are obvious issues, while the negative reviews here are more succinct and seem to have a problem with the comedic tone.
    That's my takeaway for now and it seems to me that's a good gauge for anyone on the fence to decide whether to go see it or not. :cwink:
     
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  5. Gamma Goliath Engine of Destruction

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    Saw it earlier, this isn't catwoman bad. But it's not good. It's like it belongs in 2007, only thing missing is a terrible uninspired tie in game to go with it. First off, the Trailers ruin most of it including the literal end of the movie. The final battle was really messy and the cgi is pretty spotty throughout. Plot is scattered, villain is about as run of the mill as he could get. Brock is very odd, I dont like what hardy did with him. Venom himself works pretty well and Is only thing that saves it. So I'm giving a 5. The post credit scene is terrible, One of the worst I've ever seen. Harrelson and the wig dont belong.
     
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  6. BaronZemo Civilian

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    No, most users here are forgiving. Go see the ratings for most dceu films, how many 8s and 7s there are. Also I see a pattern of many users mentioning cat woman which means they lowered their expectations so much because they anticipated catwonan level movie and just because it's not THAT awful, they are relieved. The takeaway is that you expected the worse but that doesn't mean it's good.
     
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  7. ludovica Daddy Feige notice me!

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    How do you know what I expected?
    You obviously are more than welcome to partecipate, but this is a reviews thread, not a "reviews review" thread. :o
    Some people genuinely like the movie, some don't, some are mixed, accept it and move on.
     
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  8. AVEITWITHJAMON Badass Cloud

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    The people who have those movies 7's and 8's probably just enjoyed said movies more than you did. Doesn't mean they are ''forgiving" we all don't share the same opinion and like different things.
     
  9. Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014/2019 Champion

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    Dude, stop trying to make excuses for people liking the movie. If they liked it, does expectations and such matter? If you want people to not make excuses for a bad movie, then stop making excuses for why people didn't think something is a bad movie. We get it, you have an ax to grind against this movie and think it is the worst movie since Battlefield Earth. That doesn't mean we have to agree with you.

    You're not the final authority on quality and how much people like things. Sorry.
     
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  10. wampa1 Sidekick

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    No, I thought it was great. I was saying that it was evidence that you get great movies if you let your director go a bit a crazy. Or at the very least, interesting movies, as opposed to middle-of-the-road bland ones with only glimpses of the crazy like in Venom.
     
  11. inomilan Civilian

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    It was okay, definitely a pre-MCU movie kind of quality. Probably a 6-7/10.
     
  12. Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014/2019 Champion

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    Venom Review


    From the moment this film was announced, the skepticism was real. Sony’s recent track record with the franchise has been spotty dating back to Spider-Man 3. There was collective disappointment with that film and the rebooted The Amazing Spider-Man series starring Andrew Garfield ended with a whimper when the first attempt at building a Spider-Man based cinematic universe died with that film. This led to the deal that brought Spider-Man home to Marvel, at least temporarily. But Sony has not given up this ambition of a shared universe based around Spider-Man, only now it seems like they’re building that universe without Spider-Man. Enter the new film Venom starring Tom Hardy in the role of Eddie Brock.

    This film serves as a reboot of the character as well as the launch pad of the confusingly named Sony Universe of Marvel Characters, or SUMC. From the moment this plan was announced, fans all over wondered how could this work? In the comic books, Brock’s entire motivation as a character and the reason he and the symbiote bond is over their shared hatred of Peter Parker. So how will they integrate Spider-Man into the origin? Answer: they don’t. If Spider-Man is never involved in his story, why does he have is powers? Answer: he doesn’t basically. There is no webbing, spider logo, etc. He just uses the symbiote. If there is no Spider-Man, why does he call himself Venom? Answer: it’s the symbiote’s name. So, can this movie work without Spider-Man? Answer: kind of.

    Instead of adapting the more well-known Spider-Man vs Venom rivalry, the film is adapting the version of Venom that is first seen in Lethal Protector. He’s in San Francisco and is essentially an anti-hero in the various mini-series Venom was the focus of in the 90s. Even personality wise, Venom seems to act more like this version of Venom with all the talk of eating various organs and such. Sony just basically skips the entire backstory with Spider-Man. I do think making a Venom movie without Spider-Man is possible. Venom has been a solo-character in comics for a long time, so if he can handle his own books, then he can handle a movie. I had concerns coming into this movie, though. It felt like the production was being rushed. It was barely a year from them getting release date announced and then filming the movie and putting it out there for us to see. I also had some concerns over Sony’s ability to make this work based on prior history and failed attempts at this shared universe concept as well as Venom’s weaker selection of villains. Basically, he has Carnage and other less known symbiote based villains. Not much else. So, in the end, did Sony succeed in making this Venom? Again, kind of.

    Let me first start with the film’s issues. The biggest issue this movie has is the script. The story is all over the place, character motivations change for little to no reason, and the dialogue is outright bad or cliché overall. Michelle Williams and Riz Ahmed are good actors, but their respective characters in this movie are paper thin. There just is nothing in the material they’re given to mine anything. The character of Anne, played by Williams, basically serves as a vehicle to get Brock further along in the plot or an excuse for exposition dump. She lacks chemistry with Hardy and feels wasted. Ahmed’s Carlton Drake is worse. The film cannot decide if he wants to be a scenery chewing cartoon or a serious villain with a sympathetic motivation. So, he settles somewhere in the middle. That is sort of a common problem in the movie: it doesn’t go far enough in either direction. The film clearly is most fun when it is this sort of whacky, B-movie schlock. But it doesn’t go far enough with it. I felt like this could have been wackier and been the better for it. It also feels toned down. Rumors had it that an R-rating was considered for the movie. I think it would have helped if they made it edgier and given it more personality. I understand the thinking that there is a toll it would take on the film’s box office to do that, but the film needed something to push it out of center.

    Based on the above, it seems like it was a mess and couldn’t be salvaged, right? Well, that is why you get Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy made this movie work for me single-handedly. When the movie is focusing on this buddy dynamic between Brock and Venom, it shines. Brock’s hilarious antics and bonding with Venom give this movie a personality it otherwise lacks. The dialogue between them is not always good, as evidenced by the now meme worthy line in the trailer, but they’re an entertaining duo. I also like Venom’s overall design. Yes, he doesn’t have the iconic symbol on his chest, but otherwise he looks like Venom to me. While the major action beat of the 3rd act is a mess, the other action beats in the movie are quite good. There was also a worry that the film would lack the presence of Venom, and I feel like Venom is in the movie more than enough. There is a tease for a future sequel that I also found exciting. All said and done, the pros outweighed the cons for me.

    The movie has a plethora of issues, there is no denying that. But in the end, I found this movie entertaining. I hesitate to call it “good” though. I liked this movie in sort of the same way I enjoyed the 90s Mortal Kombat movie: it’s stupid as hell but fun. I think the movie needed to commit more in one direction or another to fully succeed and for future installments, I would like to see a more polished script. This movie is like they filmed 2 or 3 drafts too early. It’s not MCU quality or anything, but hardly a dumpster fire.

    Final Rating(s): 2.5 out of 5 on quality…..3 out of 5 on enjoyment
     
  13. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    That's nothing. Trank's F4 scored 8's and 9's here. BvS. Green Lantern. All the turds in the wind.
     
  14. nyyarod yippee ki-yay mf!

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    Saw it last night. The movie was a hot mess BUT I enjoyed it a lot lmao
     
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  15. Legendver2 Superhero

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    Wow some of you guys are brutal :D I honestly thought it wasn't that bad. It wasn't like mind blowing, but it was not what I would call a bad movie.
     
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  16. Iron_Stark Pepperony 3000

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    I was no where near the mess people were making it out to be. I really liked the movie. I want to watch it again, to give proper thoughts on it, but for now, I all I can say is that it's not a bad movie and enjoyed the hell out of it.
     
  17. Another_Fool Sidekick

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    Make no mistake. This is a BAD movie. There are things in this film that make no sense or I couldn't care less about. There are moments I legitimately turned away, facepalmed and chuckled during a scene because it was too painful to watch it play out.

    However this movie is not dull experience whatsoever. It's strange. Catwoman, Elektra, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Xmen Origins, Suicide Squad, maybe Justice League; all bad movies that were very dull and a chore to sit through. There are better made movies where it angered me to the point of hating it like Iron Man 3 or X-men Last Stand. Venom is in this weird middle place where I'm entertained/fine with its existence even though it is an unintentionally bad movie.

    Tom Hardy is good. I'll just say it. It's a bizarre portrayal but he is still very fun to watch and I don't think it craps on the character. In fact the one good thing that the movie does is it doesn't feel like a mockery of Venom - and at least the title character is enjoyable to watch. Everything else though is just kind of there to drive Venom.

    I guess ultimately the biggest critique I have of Venom is that Ruben and company could've determined earlier that the script was unsalvagable garbage and adjust it to be a stylized parody of the 90s straight to video comic book B-movies satirizing Lundgren's Punisher or Captain America the way Black Dynamite parodied blaxpoitation films. Then it could've been a legitimately good film. However, it is what it is and I actually had fun with it surprisingly.

    6 out of 10 for me. Tom Hardy brought in 4 points all by himself.
     
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  18. terry78 My name is Stefan, sweet thang

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    I can't believe they actually did She-Venom and gave Weying the symbiote for a while.
     
  19. Scarlet Spider Superhero

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    Anyone else catch the John Jameson easter egg? A nice nod.
     
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  20. Gamma Goliath Engine of Destruction

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    Yep. Full name was in the credits too.
     
  21. rogue trooper Sidekick

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    Yep. Man-Wolf here we go!;)
     
  22. Ihmago Civilian

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    Yeah, i didn't expect that at all. I guess that's what Kevin Smith was teasing about the third act.. she looked pretty awesome as She-Venom

    Yeah, there were quite a few nods to the comics.. I like how the symbiote asked for chocolate when they went to the store

    [​IMG]
     
  23. BlackFox Warrior

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    What a bizzare film this was, cant honestly say its a good film but it was more entertaining than it had any right to be or after the first drab 30 minutes I thought it would be.

    The writing is pretty terrible it has to be said and does feel very mid 90's in its story telling and I think it suffers most from a film that started out or wanted to be R rated but got cut back to the bone and perhaps left some better stuff on the cutting room floor, that might be being overly optimistic but Hardy's performance as Eddie/Venom almost makes up for the rest of the movie which is mediocre at best but the main character is at least engaging and entertaining but it needed to be a bigger part of the film really to be anything worthy of note but at least they have come up with a character and actor that I would consider seeing again but just hire some decent writers next time.

    Its a hard film to judge with such a mixed bad of good, bad and awful but that even sort of fits in with how schizophrenic the character is to a degree but cant really excuse it and always feels like it pulling its punches rather than really embracing the horror or crazy that at times it promises but never really delivers.

    At best its like a 6/10 film dipping below that hard whenever Hardy/Venom isnt on the screen but there are some decent moments to cling to and character that would be worth seeing again but as a standalone its going to be more of a guilty pleasure rather than something thats going to stand any where near the big boys in the genre as it is such an odd ball film at times mixed with totally generic stuff, seen and done much better.
     
  24. Lighthouse Fairness, Equality, Bacon

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    I will say, of all the bad films I've seen this year, this one was at least interestingly bad. I could not help but feel that the filmmakers(and especially Tom Hardy) realized how stupid this project was and just decided to run with it. All of the weird, out of place, silly and stupid scenes in this movie were by far the most entertaining. It's bad and I can't in good conscience recommend it, but at least it wasn't boring.

    By far the biggest mystery of this film is why in the hell Michelle Williams ever agreed to this.
     
  25. Scarlet Spider Superhero

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    Hardy pretty much saved this film and carried it on his back. He was worth every penny, they paid him.
     
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