Indeed, I thought you had actual valid points that were worthy of debate, but so far it's been pretty shallow and rather base.
We're trying to make POINTS. Our opinion ALONE isn't worth jacks**t. If you'll notice, Can, IAmLegend usually refer to the canon interpretation of Rogue that has lasted the longest and has defined the character the most. Black on white. We're not making this s**t up.
Well from X-Treme on has been quite some time and it's canon now. You are losing a lot of points here. From X-Treme on is CANON and just cause you don't like it doesn't make it so. "I'm sorry I didn't see the stop sign officer so it's not there!"
My point here was that anyone knowing anything about combat and psychology would agree that a short fuse and/or temper is NOT a good thing. You know, the whole being rational/objective thingy.
But see you are making references, without any way to substantiate them. You can't say four of five dentists think Rogue's a Mary Sue without a reference to the paper, report, essay. Hell I could claim that Psychologists actually say that persons of a more emotional disposition make better leaders. Infact, I will say that. According the Bruce Lee in his Essay on the Martial Artist, a fighter who's soul is more moved from the heart rather than the head makes for exceptional leadership skills. I rest my case!
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Hon, you *have* to stop shooting yourself in the foot.
Doll, I don't think your condescending assinine remarks make you look better. You don't make points, it's more a lot of hot air.
You're denying the fact that Carey has it bad for Rogue and that it shows in his writing. That would be like saying Whedon doesn't have it bad for Kitty nor made AXM mostly about her. You're refusing to aknowledge a *fact*. Whether it's a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion. But it's still there for all to see.
No I never denied Carey likes Rogue. Reread my posts. I denied that he has transformed her into a Mary Sue and is giving into character worship. In order for Rogue to be a Mary-Sue or for Carey to give in to character worship she has to by definition make everyone else look bad. She has to save the day.
The points you make, that Carey is a Rogue fan and that he has given her a storyline to explore her powers, do not be definition show character worship. It's just a dramtic story he has set for a character he likes.
And just so you a clear on what a "Mary Sue" is:
Mary Sue is any original or deeply altered character who represents a slice of his/her creator's own ego; s/he is treasured by his/her creator but only rarely by anyone else. More negatively, a Mary Sue is a primadonna (usually but not always badly-written) who saps life and realism out of every other character around, taking over the plot and bending canon to serve his/her selfish purposes.
The subtext was about character worship, not her leading the goddamn team. Why the hell would I even think *that* would qualify as subtext?
Now tell me how the subtext, showed the above. And please, spare us the already refuted "He changed her from being hot-tempered to a leader" point cause I already showed you that was not true. He kepts her hot-temper and he made her a leader. You even said she still jumps down people's throat. So you know Carey has not changed this.
I never said she was a full-fledged Mary Sue. I said she had the angst/drama angle going on for her, which is an incarnation of said archetype. And, amusingly enough, most likely what the next year will be all about for her.
So he is doing character worship, but she isn't a Mary-Sue? That is impossible. He is either doing both or neither. And again, a good dramatic story does not a Mary-Sue make.
I never said anything about anyone but Cyke, Hank and Emma because they were *right* and she basically told them off. Carey never adressed the fact that it was poor decision-making. Not only that, but she looked good while at it.
The only one she was smart to was Scott. She never told off Emma or Hank regarding the nano-sentinels. I don't even think Emma had an opinion. Moreover, she looked to Emma for how to deal with Creed in the opeining and it was Bobby who did the He-Man power play. Again, I think you are more blinded by unreasonable character Hate, that Carey is with character-worship.
As I've said before, that would be like Kitty gunning down Emma Frost (*wrong* decision) in AXM 18 and the guys not saying anything (her getting away with it). You can't possibly NOT see the similarity between the two scenes.
Rogue had no scenes in all of Carey's run that was as plain *****-ass cool as the one Whedon wrote for Kitty in AXM. And I am no Kitty fan, but even I acknowledge how damn awesome that scene was!
The last two arcs were custom-made for her and the trials she has to go through!!! How does that NOT qualify as playing favorites????!!!!
God forbid that Carey focus some story to Rogue since the next arc will be all about Bobby and Sam. OMG, Carey has Sam-worship!!!!!
The point isn't about goddamn uberness. It's about arbitrarily getting rid of a major flaw that has defined the character for DECADES.
Here's an example: Scott and Emma have issues in about every book. Writers didn't just NOT aknowledge the ghost of Jean for kicks. Ignoring Rogue's temper is basically the same thing.
Carey has shown Rogue flaws and all. She is still hot-headed and mouthy. She had to have Cannonball, Bobby and Cable kinda hold her back, she smarts so much! He is also showing her power issues. I think you expect these things to be stated in a way that makes folks hate her. But it's the quirks and flaws people like. If she was perfect and reasonable and not mouthy, then you'd have a point. But she is all those things. You keep rehashing points that are already refuted. You are kinda sounding repetitive. Again, if you can't see how off the mark you are, then stop reading the book. You will be so much happier you moved on.
