Comics The Official Storm vs Jean thread

[Valechan]

Feel the air of the new year!!! A new age dawns and long has been the day since this discussion took place in these hallowed forums of bickering!!! So I say, let us re-start anew and with more power than ever!!!

Actually what sparked me to create such a thread was something that my man, Javon, found somewhere and posted in the Official Storm thread (you haven't visited yet? Shame on you!) and I thought quite appropiate to start the Never-Ending battle of fans, so here is the little bit in question. It is from an interview with a certain Chris Claremont a long time ago (I doubt it was done in a galaxy far away though)

RB: Storm next...

Chris Claremont: Storm is basically what she is...a goddess, a three-dimensional goddess, if such a thing is possible.


RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?

Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.

Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways."

 

[Harlekin]

Could this be closed? We really don't want this to start up again, do we?

 

[Mike059jig]

long Time ago...what 1979.......2007...totally different....the characters have changed and evolved alot.........as for the winner...I know who it is already...but I'm not gonna start anything.....

 

[The Weather God]

Well on that killermovies forum someone said jean could attack first because thought equals execution. They also said storm is vulnerable to a psy bolt, seeing that storm was phased

Here in this scan


They've also said storm's power haves lag when HOF provided a scan of storm creating gale force winds in a split second before a car exploded she was in.


They then told him because it was Emma Frost in her body it doesn't count, no matter if it was storm's body and her powers.

Here it only takes storm a mere thought to create a hurricane

Here storm was able to create an electrical storm to block rachel's link, stopping her from doing any telepathic attack to her.


They've also said jean could blow storm's heart up with tk and shield herself from multiple powerful lightning bolts at the same time. This is all the argument presented at that forum, let's see if things go differently here.

 

[Havok83]

I think its moot point bc Phoenix can theoretically decimate any of the X-men without much sweat. If they were to go into a battle against each other, I dont think Jean would have much trouble taking Storm out

 

[The Weather God]

I think its moot point bc Phoenix can theoretically decimate any of the X-men without much sweat. If they were to go into a battle against each other, I dont think Jean would have much trouble taking Storm out

That's if we're talking jean with the phoenix force.

 

[Mike059jig]

Jean Phoenix not the same anymore ...........when did this all of a sudden happen

 

[supermarvelman]

Phoenix is Jean with th Phoenix Force.

And there is no question in my mind that Phoenix would destroy Storm, I dont even know how people can even compare the 2.

 

[weatherwitch]

I'll stand by what I have always said. Jean with the Phoenix Force would own Storm. It's damn near indesputable. The Phoenix can eat stars--I don't think any mutant is a threat to it.

Jean and Ororo without the intervention of powers... Storm would double-slap Jean all the way back to her prep school under-roos.

It's a ridiculous versus. They were best friends--beyond that--sisters in their own minds and hearts. The only people with a versus fetish are fanatics that only care about their favorite being the best. Who else cares? That's right, no one.

 

[The Weather God]

I'm pretty sure the poster of this topic was referring to jean without the phoenix force because we all know phoenix eat's storm.

 

[Havok83]

Jean's a telepath; a very powerful one at that. She has been stated to be the most powerful after Xavier and thats without the Phoenix Force. All she has to do is mentally crush Storm into thinking she's being buried alive. She can do that without much effort

 

[Mike059jig]

I'm pretty sure the poster of this topic was referring to jean without the phoenix force because we all know phoenix eat's storm.

 

[supermarvelman]

Jean's a telepath; a very powerful one at that. She has been stated to be the most powerful after Xavier and thats without the Phoenix Force. All she has to do is mentally crush Storm into thinking she's being buried alive. She can do that without much effort

Yes even without the Phoenix Force Storm should still not stand a chance, Jean also has Telekinesis. Storm might put up a fight, but no cigar, ever.

 

[weatherwitch]

Yes even without the Phoenix Force Storm should still not stand a chance, Jean also has Telekinesis. Storm might put up a fight, but no cigar, ever.

It's a moot point. Jean is dead. Regardless of her telekinetic power, or telepathic. Dead.

And it's been stated in more than one book on more than one occassion that Jean can't get into Storm's head all the way. Too much interference.

It would be a fight, no doubt, but given what circumstances and who is the author depicts the hypothetical outcome. There is no clear cut "no cigar" winner--ever. In any comic with any versus. Wolverine versus Spidey, Iron Man versus Cap, Mystique versus Magneto...etc, etc. It's all imaginary variables. To say yes or no with anything definitive is foolhardy and well, fanboyish.

It's a matter of opinion--not fact.

 

[supermarvelman]

Your right its a matter of opinion, and in my opinion, Storm gets obliterated.
It's my opinion that doesnt mean I'm a fanboy, cause I really dont care for Jean Grey that much. But I still think she would destroy Storm, to much interference my ass, if Prof. X can get into Magneto's head, Jean can definetly get into Storms.

 

[Havok83]

It's a moot point. Jean is dead. Regardless of her telekinetic power, or telepathic. Dead.

Jean is not dead. She was resurrected in Phoenix Endsong and was last seen very much alive at the end of that book

 

[Nature's Rising]

Why this again?

 

[Koalah]

Altough Storm is my fav. character, the Phoenix can destroy every X-Men including Storm. I wonder how can people compare the Phoenix to Storm , that is just ridiculous.

Now Jean Vs Storm is a very different story. Storm would win definetly.

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[javon]

Altough Storm is my fav. character, the Phoenix can destroy every X-Men including Storm. I wonder how can people compare the Phoenix to Storm , that is just ridiculous.

Now Jean Vs Storm is a very different story. Storm would win definetly.

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I would tell ya, but I wouldn't want to start a war....

Edit: And I think you mean "Storm to Phoenix".

 

[storm-x-fan]

Altough Storm is my fav. character, the Phoenix can destroy every X-Men including Storm. I wonder how can people compare the Phoenix to Storm , that is just ridiculous.

Now Jean Vs Storm is a very different story. Storm would win definetly.

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well i think if it was storm vs. phoenix, then 2 storm wud hav won.

 

[Nature's Rising]

As a Storm fan, still, Jean may not defeat Storm with her telepathic abilities (as proven with Ororo's battles with various telepaths), but she can defeat her with her Omega-level-molecule-manipulating telekinesis.

Ororo's willpower makes her resistant to telepathic probes/attacks, that's why sometimes she's resilient to even the powerful psychic attacks. Much like Magneto.

 

[Mike059jig]

Bleh.........its a draw.........either fan of the fight can make up anything they want in favor of their favorite.....

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Bleh.........its a draw.........either fan of the fight can make up anything they want in favor of their favorite.....

Sadly enough, eh.

I'm not exactly a Jean fan, but come on...

Jean VS Storm? Sure. Storm has one hell of a shot if Jean doesn't use her telepathy.

Dark Phoenix VS Storm? Puh-lease. As if Storm had a chance. The only reason she *might* have a chance is writers "nerfing" Phoenix.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ororo's willpower makes her resistant to telepathic probes/attacks, that's why sometimes she's resilient to even the powerful psychic attacks. Much like Magneto.

Jean owned Emma Frost as is she was nothing and represents a formidable challenge to f****n Xavier. Jean would crush Storm's mind with a snap of her finger.

And as for Mags... he had DECADES of practice.

Look, I like Storm. A lot.

BUT

Ro' fending off such psychic attacks was just writers feeling the need to tweak her as much as they could.

 

[Havok83]

Jean owned Emma Frost as is she was nothing and represents a formidable challenge to f****n Xavier. Jean would crush Storm's mind with a snap of her finger.

And as for Mags... he had DECADES of practe.

Look, I like Storm. A lot.

BUT

Ro' fending off such psychic attacks was just writers feeling the need to tweak her as much as they could.

And Storm has a serious case of claustrophobia that has taken her out numerous times in the past. I dont see how it would be too hard for Jean to create the perception that she's being buried alive. Heck even Lady Mastermind can do that to Storm and she doesnt have the power or skill that Jean does