The Official Tom Welling Thread

[AgentPat]

WTF is up with Gough and Millar doin' talkin' about the third season?

Annoying, isn't it?

NOTE: Didn't they used to asterisk out ass? Since when can we can put that in posts?

LOL! I never even thought about it, but now that you mention it...

That cover is drop dead gorgeous.

Indeed. What's funny is just how different they can make him look on the show verses IRL. I mean, it's clearly the same guy, but the make-up people are geniuses.

I'm looking forward to reading that interview. I actually hope he gets attached to something big I think he's ready.

Ditto! But I also hope he doesn't rush out of SV too fast. Getting an hour fix of new material every week - with him in the leading role no less - is far more desirable than a two hour film once a year, y'know?

Anyone catch EW's breakout stars of the future? They listed He Who Shall Not Be Named But Whose Name Sounds Like South...

LMFAO!!!

and directly underneath was featured good ole Lois, Erica Durance.

Just thought it was interesting that the editors of EW (a Time/Warner publication) would (subconsciously) link the Superman movie with Smallville.

Who said it was subconscious?

Goes to show, even the general public might be wondering why Superman's not playing Superman.

Goes to show that T/W may try some covert cross-promotion anyway. Audiences may or may not care who dons the tights in the end, but they do know there's a difference. They are curious, and they're definitely not stupid. It's going to be interesting to see how these projects' marketing departments dance around each other over the next 18 months.

 

[triplet]

Goes to show that T/W may try some covert cross-promotion anyway. Audiences may or may not care who dons the tights in the end, but they do know there's a difference. They are curious, and they're definitely not stupid. It's going to be interesting to see how these projects' marketing departments dance around each other over the next 18 months.

OK, I wanna bring up something that IT is Batgirl brought up REeeheaally late last night: She said that Warner's is keeping a tight leash on He Who Shall Not Be Named But Whose Name Sounds Like South thread over on the Superman forum.

She said they actually shooed him from a party early when it got out to the photogs that he was there...

I had argued earlier that his low profile-ness wasn't probably deliberate, and she came out with that anecdote.

With your experience, why would they care if the paparazzi take his picture? Her contention was that Warner's didn't want him overexposed, otherwise he wouldn't be an unknown anymore...

I thought that was silly, this isn't 1950 after all and he isn't under some draconian contract where he can't date people they don't approve or go to parties unless they OK it, or is he?

What are your thoughts on that?

 

[Thunder Emperor]

i don't think hiding brandon routh is nessacry. i mean when they announced bale as batman, he didn't go into hiding and. which i thought the should have done for that movie considering its history. think sommething is up with wb, casue i have the ew mag thta br was mentioned in. in there it say he was close to signing a deal not that he already has as we have been lead to believe . i would think a mag like ew will get their fact right or is something up. who knows.

 

[AgentPat]

What are your thoughts on that?

Gee Trip, I don't know what to think. Was it a Warners' party? If so, what industry party *doesn't* have Paparazzi waiting to snap elusive photos of unsuspecting stars? Does HWSNBN have bodyguards to shoo him away from the Paparazzi if and when they appear? But he's not even a "star" yet. There was more hoopla when Jake G. and James C. were rumored, and Brendan F. and Josh H. go without saying. If they wanted to keep him a secret, why announce his name AND release a publicity photo if they didn't want the public to "see" him yet?

Only thing I can think is that Warners didn't expect the initial negative reaction among fanboys and is now backpedaling any publicity the lead actor might receive until they deem him ready. Whatever. You can never be fully ready for a role like this. That said, some actors would have been more prepared and versed at handling it, I think. *ahem*

Anyhoo, the whole unveiling thing is ridiculous, IMHO. They've already announced him. What's left to unveil? How much of a make-over is necessary? Is he going in for plastic surgery? [snicker] But seriously, improvements in physique will easily be hidden under clothing - just look at the photos of Bale in that silk suit over in the drool thread. And hair color and style can be altered the day before they start shooting. Even eye color is "fixed" in post, or with the use of contacts. So what ELSE is there to make over? Honestly, I think the reason "we" haven't seen more photos of HWSNBN is because interest in him among the general public is low, and the Paparazzi knows it. Just a hunch.

Wait till they start lensing. Interest *should* pick up when Warners releases some on-set photos like they did with BB. They'll HAVE to get the publicity machine in motion at some point. It's just too early right now, but I really don't think HWSNBN is actively being hidden under lock and key. How ridiculous. Even Tom Cruise is "seen" shopping in grocery stores The reason why HWSNBN isn't is because nobody knows who he is yet. And quite frankly, the general public probably could care less at this point.

 

[triplet]

Gee Trip, I don't know what to think. Was it a Warners' party?

She didn't say, but she said he wanted to stay but wasn't allowed or something...

If so, what industry party *doesn't* have Paparazzi waiting to snap elusive photos of unsuspecting stars? Does HWSNBN have bodyguards to shoo him away from the Paparazzi if and when they appear? But he's not even a "star" yet. There was more hoopla when Jake G. and James C. were rumored, and Brendan F. and Josh H. go without saying. If they wanted to keep him a secret, why announce his name AND release a publicity photo if they didn't want the public to "see" him yet?

Good point.

Only thing I can think is that Warners didn't expect the initial negative reaction among fanboys and is now backpedaling any publicity the lead actor might receive until they deem him ready. Whatever. You can never be fully ready for a role like this. That said, some actors would have been more prepared and versed at handling it, I think. *ahem*

Yeah, really... LOL!

Anyhoo, the whole unveiling thing is ridiculous, IMHO. They've already announced him. What's left to unveil? How much of a make-over is necessary? Is he going in for plastic surgery? [snicker] But seriously, improvements in physique will easily be hidden under clothing - just look at the photos of Bale in that silk suit over in the drool thread. And hair color and style can be altered the day before they start shooting. Even eye color is "fixed" in post, or with the use of contacts. So what ELSE is there to make over? Honestly, I think the reason "we" haven't seen more photos of HWSNBN is because interest in him among the general public is low, and the Paparazzi knows it. Just a hunch.

Wait till they start lensing. Interest *should* pick up when Warners releases some on-set photos like they did with BB. They'll HAVE to get the publicity machine in motion at some point. It's just too early right now, but I really don't think HWSNBN is actively being hidden under lock and key. How ridiculous. Even Tom Cruise is "seen" shopping in grocery stores The reason why HWSNBN isn't is because nobody knows who he is yet. And quite frankly, the general public probably could care less at this point.

Yeah, that was my general reaction until she said "but it is deliberate"... Glad I'm not foolin' myself that not I'm more clueless than I thought...

 

[Venom71]

Only thing I can think is that Warners didn't expect the initial negative reaction among fanboys and is now backpedaling any publicity the lead actor might receive until they deem him ready. Whatever. You can never be fully ready for a role like this. That said, some actors would have been more prepared and versed at handling it, I think. *ahem*

You don't really think that the Brother's Warner really care what the fans want? If so all the Wellingites would be jumping for joy because their "Superman" got the job and not the unknown. I don't know why ROUTH has not been out in public and is not getting much publicity but I highly dought that is because of the negitive reaction. Superman may have all that power but the Wellingites sure don't. JMHO

 

[triplet]

You don't really think that the Brother's Warner really care what the fans want? If so all the Wellingites would be jumping for joy because their "Superman" got the job and not the unknown. I don't know why ROUTH has not been out in public and is not getting much publicity but I highly dought that is because of the negitive reaction. Superman may have all that power but the Wellingites sure don't. JMHO

With the recent spate of "Superman IS Jesus," and HWSNBN IS Superman bs that I've seen lately (sometimes even in the same post - meaning, I guess that HWSNBN is actually Jesus!??? ) I've sorta lost any interest I may have had on that topic...

If that level of fanaticism is what it takes to be a "real" Superman fan, then I'm glad I'm not one and I actually hope that HWSNBN stays in whatever spider hole WB's have put him into.

Anyway, I thought Singer said he "was" Superman to anyone who looked at him...

HWSNBN has been the annointed one for so many but if he is so worthy and IS Superman, why is it taking so long for him to be "prepped" for the role?

Why do they need to wait to unveil HWSNBN as Superman if he's so spot on for the part now?

You can't have it both ways.

It's all sanctimonious and rub it into Wellingite faces bull****....

I'll stay over here on the Smallville forum and be safely Tom obsessed without worrying over much about that other guy any more.

 

[AgentPat]

She didn't say, but she said he wanted to stay but wasn't allowed or something...

LOL. Okay.

Yeah, that was my general reaction until she said "but it is deliberate"... Glad I'm not foolin' myself that not I'm more clueless than I thought...

Well, it may HAVE been deliberate. My point though is that deliberate or not, it's just plain silly. People just don't care, and if Warners thinks the general public gives a flying you-know-what at this point, they're only fooling themselves.

...Or perhaps, they're trying to MANUFACTURE buzz?? By saying they're keeping their new golden boy under lock and key and out of the public eye, they may be trying to create interest. It's sort of reverse psychology, but sometimes it works. Of course, they already blew that plan when they released his promo photo.

Psssst... Hey Warners? Get a clue. We've already seen his picture. We aint impressed. Try again.

You don't really think that the Brother's Warner really care what the fans want?...

Umm... what part of my post made you arrive at that assumption, Venom? It's precisely because they DO care that all of the smoke and mirror stuff continues.

I don't know why ROUTH has not been out in public and is not getting much publicity but I highly doubt that is because of the negative reaction.

I didn't say that, but just to be clear, IF Warners is intentionally keeping the lid on further publicity involving HWSNBN, there must be a reason for it. And since a publicity mug has *already* been released, and Singer and Co. have *already* issued statements to press about their new wonder boy and how much he already looks like Superman *cough* yada yada, then SOMETHING is up. So either they're trying to keep potential bad buzz from continuing, or they're trying to manufacture good buzz through the mystique - or both. Regardless, I don't see it working.

...If that level of fanaticism is what it takes to be a "real" Superman fan, then I'm glad I'm not one and I actually hope that HWSNBN stays in whatever spider hole WB's have put him into...

LOL! Well, I'm a big Superman fan, and will more than likely see the film in the theaters, but I'm not bowing at the Singer altar until after I see the movie. And I can honestly say I won't be bowing at Routh's altar before *or* after. Warner's best promo photo of the dude is okay at best. Just don't put it next to anybody else's 'cause he'd be one of the first ones I'd vote off the island. LOL



PS: Is it me, or is the board server wigging out today?

Edited because spelling and grammar are too easily nitpicked LOL.

 

[muscles]

Pat do you think welling still has a shot?

 

[AgentPat]

Pat do you think welling still has a shot?

Maybe in a parallel universe, Muscles.

 

[triplet]

LOL! Well, I'm a big Superman fan, and will more than likely see the film in the theaters, but I'm not bowing at the Singer altar until after I see the movie. And I can honestly say I won't be bowing at Routh's alter before *or* after. Warner's best promo photo of the dude is okay at best. Just don't put it next to anybody else's 'cause he'd be one of the first ones I'd vote off the island. LOL

LOL!

PS: Is it me, or is the board server wigging out today?

Yeah, it's been doing that a lot lately. I had posted some long ass reply to one of your posts actually and lost it and lost interest in trying to recreate it when it kept crapping out on me trying to just get back on the forums....

I'm just all around cranky today, I guess, and am totally tired of people putting up HWSNBN up on that ****ing tall pedastal they got him on... When he falls off that sucker, it's not gonna be pretty.

And comparing him to Jesus (even by inference) was just the last straw.

I'll be better tomorrow. I promise.

 

[AgentPat]

Yeah, it's been doing that a lot lately. I had posted some long ass reply to one of your posts actually and lost it...

I've had that happen more times than I care to. Of course, ONCE is bad enough. Now I cut and paste to notepad before posting, just in case.

I'm just all around cranky today, I guess, and am totally tired of people putting up HWSNBN up on that ****ing tall pedestal they got him on... When he falls off that sucker, it's not gonna be pretty.

Eh, don't let it get to ya. I was over at Blue Tights this morning myself and LMAO. Y'know, they're STILL arguing in the Welling thread over there? Who'da thunk! That just made my day. Hee!

And comparing him to Jesus (even by inference) was just the last straw.

Who did that? I musta missed that post, thankfully.

I'll be better tomorrow. I promise.

Oh, don't get "better" on our account. It's good when folks stay passionate about what they believe in, even if it IS just a silly movie.

 

[Venom71]

Pat do you think welling still has a shot?

I think he does...he has a great shot at being in CBTD 2

 

[Lara]

Guess what I was flipping channels today and in a live interview the View was asking Jude Law if he'll be Superman. WTF?... maybe alot of people still don't know. Ha maybe HWSNBN was drunk at the party now that would be bad. What's funny about that EW snippit lokomon was referring to they actually said "meanwhile".. clearly linking the two.

 

[AgentPat]

Guess what I was flipping channels today and in a live interview the View was asking Jude Law if he'll be Superman. WTF?

Indeed! More interesting would be Law's answer. (He should have said yes LMAO!!)

maybe a lot of people still don't know.

There's still LOTS of people who don't even know another Superman film is in pre production. I've had the weirdest reactions from people too. Some say why bother, as if there's no reason to re-make the Donner film. Well.... I may not agree with that mentality, but I can definitely understand where folks are coming from. I honestly don't see ANY live action comic book film ever beating the classic feel and epic qualities that Donner achieved in 1978. It really was a masterpiece.

What's funny about that EW snippet lokomon was referring to they actually said "meanwhile".. clearly linking the two.

Just wait! I KNOW they're not gonna let this marketing opportunity slip through their fingers. And if they do, they're more dumb than a box of rocks. (I'm sure James would vote for the latter LOL.)

 

[Pickle-El]

Well, it may HAVE been deliberate. My point though is that deliberate or not, it's just plain silly. People just don't care, and if Warners thinks the general public gives a flying you-know-what at this point, they're only fooling themselves.

Bring up the name Superman and it creates attention....they basically just gave a face to go with the 'Unknown' BR. That's pretty much all they did, nothing more.

...Or perhaps, they're trying to MANUFACTURE buzz?? By saying they're keeping their new golden boy under lock and key and out of the public eye, they may be trying to create interest. It's sort of reverse psychology, but sometimes it works. Of course, they already blew that plan when they released his promo photo.

Bingo. Get the name out....I don't see how they 'blew it'. Maybe in your eyes, but not in the general public.

Psssst... Hey Warners? Get a clue. We've already seen his picture. We aint impressed. Try again.

He's obviously not as good looking as the precious , but he does have a deeper voice and older look IMO. Everything else is just speculation at this point.

I didn't say that, but just to be clear, IF Warners is intentionally keeping the lid on further publicity involving HWSNBN, there must be a reason for it. And since a publicity mug has *already* been released, and Singer and Co. have *already* issued statements to press about their new wonder boy and how much he already looks like Superman *cough* yada yada, then SOMETHING is up. So either they're trying to keep potential bad buzz from continuing, or they're trying to manufacture good buzz through the mystique - or both. Regardless, I don't see it working.

Bad Buzz???? This is the internet, it's what people here do. Anonymously slander others....I doubt they have lost a wink of sleep over it. The now divine Batman script didn't get 100% positive feedback when that script was leaked.You had people who hated it...I doubt Nolan really cared. Besides, it's Batman's turn to shine....they aren't dumb enough to have Routh all over the place this early when Superman doesn't come out for another 1 1/2 years. 05 will be all about Batman, you don't throw a wrech in those wheels the size of Superman right now...THAT would piss of fans.

LOL! Well, I'm a big Superman fan, and will more than likely see the film in the theaters, but I'm not bowing at the Singer altar until after I see the movie. And I can honestly say I won't be bowing at Routh's altar before *or* after. Warner's best promo photo of the dude is okay at best. Just don't put it next to anybody else's 'cause he'd be one of the first ones I'd vote off the island. LOL

How does it go...oh yeah!




ps. See, I learned to use the quote thing!

 

[Venom71]

Bring up the name Superman and it creates attention....they basically just gave a face to go with the 'Unknown' BR. That's pretty much all they did, nothing more.



Bingo. Get the name out....I don't see how they 'blew it'. Maybe in your eyes, but not in the general public.

He's obviously not as good looking as the precious , but he does have a deeper voice and older look IMO. Everything else is just speculation at this point.



Bad Buzz???? This is the internet, it's what people here do. Anonymously slander others....I doubt they have lost a wink of sleep over it. The now divine Batman script didn't get 100% positive feedback when that script was leaked.You had people who hated it...I doubt Nolan really cared. Besides, it's Batman's turn to shine....they aren't dumb enough to have Routh all over the place this early when Superman doesn't come out for another 1 1/2 years. 05 will be all about Batman, you don't throw a wrech in those wheels the size of Superman right now...THAT would piss of fans.


How does it go...oh yeah!




ps. See, I learned to use the quote thing!

Great post and some really great points!

 

[jas01724]

(I'm sure James would vote for the latter LOL.)

Even a box of rocks would know not to miss a cross-promotion opportunity like this.

This circuitous discussion is mind-numbing.

 

[AgentPat]

Pickle, I *think* we're probably arguing the same things here, eg: we shouldn't be arguing at all 'cause we're saying the same thing. We've both pointed out that it's too early to be doing ANY publicity for Superman, particularly because BB is due out in six months. So trying to foster any buzz over who they cast for their Superman film - a property not due to unspool for over a year and a half - is silly. The lead has already been announced, displayed (so to speak) and discussed openly in the media. The fanfare is over. If people really cared, journalists wouldn't be asking Jude Law if he was going to play Superman because they'd already know an unknown landed the part. So my point wasn't to come up with reasons why Warners *should* be playing smoke and mirrors with HWSNBN, but to point out how silly it is for them to be doing so, if they even are at all. People. Just. Don't. Care. And the only ones who do are the "anonymous" posters who frequent "Internet message boards" and like to "slander others."

BTW, if you don't think what's said in places like these matters, you should read that article recently posted over in the Supes' forum. Or did you forget about that un?

 

[AgentPat]

This circuitous discussion is mind-numbing.

Damn, you got THAT right! Why do I even bother? Don't answer that! LOL

 

[Pickle-El]

Pickle, I *think* we're probably arguing the same things here, eg: we shouldn't be arguing at all 'cause we're saying the same thing. We've both pointed out that it's too early to be doing ANY publicity for Superman, particularly because BB is due out in six months. So trying to foster any buzz over who they cast for their Superman film - a property not due to unspool for over a year and a half - is silly. The lead has already been announced, displayed (so to speak) and discussed openly in the media. The fanfare is over. If people really cared, journalists wouldn't be asking Jude Law if he was going to play Superman because they'd already know an unknown landed the part. So my point wasn't to come up with reasons why Warners *should* be playing smoke and mirrors with HWSNBN, but to point out how silly it is for them to be doing so, if they even are at all. People. Just. Don't. Care. And the only ones who do are the "anonymous" posters who frequent "Internet message boards" and like to "slander others."

BTW, if you don't think what's said in places like these matters, you should read that article recently posted over in the Supes' forum. Or did you forget about that un?

What article is that?

 

[Serene]

Ha maybe HWSNBN was drunk at the party now that would be bad..

Since we're playing spin the speculation...
I'm going with Lara's. Perhaps HWSNBN has public behavior issues. It would be unseemly to have your new Superman dancing on tabletops with a lampshade on his head.

(not that there's anything wrong with dancing on tabletops.. ahem)

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Pickle, I *think* we're probably arguing the same things here, eg: we shouldn't be arguing at all 'cause we're saying the same thing. We've both pointed out that it's too early to be doing ANY publicity for Superman, particularly because BB is due out in six months. So trying to foster any buzz over who they cast for their Superman film - a property not due to unspool for over a year and a half - is silly. The lead has already been announced, displayed (so to speak) and discussed openly in the media. The fanfare is over. If people really cared, journalists wouldn't be asking Jude Law if he was going to play Superman because they'd already know an unknown landed the part.

I think people can't believe that this is really the guy who will be playing the role so they prefer to believe it hasn't been cast yet. Those who accept it do it out of loyalty for Singer and not so much because they believe in him.
What I really wish for Christmas this year is that someone inside Warner Bros. would link the promo shots Tom supposedly took with the suit during the McG era... Then we could have a real interesting discussion.
Oh and Pat when I do my little research with the TW as Superman t-shirt I decided I'm also gonna go on my country's biggest and most respected comic book shop. Those guys really know what they're talking about and are really hardcore about everything comic book related. I've already heard them mention SV once or twice regarding Loeb's involvement. I'm gonna be real interested in what they have to say when I come walking the door with the t-shirt.

 

[AgentPat]

What article is that?

Excerpt of interview with David Goyer:

Q: The Internet plays a big role in the marketing of films like Blade and Batman, but how does it affect you when something happens like the Batman script leak? How does it affect how you work?

Goyer: In the case of that leak, and again it was an early draft and I had done a draft after that, generally the response was so good it didn't matter. Warner Bros was happy - they weren't happy it leaked, but they were happy the response was good. It was sort of the polar opposite of what happened when the Superman script leaked. If it leaks and people generally say it's great, then fine.

But you just have to - there are pros and cons to what's happening with the Internet. The fan response on the Internet definitely pushed Warner Bros to make decisions about Batman and Superman because there was so much outrage about where things were being developed that they felt they needed to go with more credible directors. And a more fan-credible writer. The general response on Batman was so good that that emboldened Warner Bros to go for Bryan Singer, even though it was a very painful decision for them because they were very far down the line with McG. It does have an effect.

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=10837

 

[triplet]

I've had that happen more times than I care to. Of course, ONCE is bad enough. Now I cut and paste to notepad before posting, just in case.

I've been copying it just to the system clipboard, but hadn't been real good about it... it bit me in the ass earlier. (Hey, I really am getting to like being able to say ASS ... )

Eh, don't let it get to ya. I was over at Blue Tights this morning myself and LMAO. Y'know, they're STILL arguing in the Welling thread over there? Who'da thunk! That just made my day. Hee!

I don't like going over there, Wraith drives me batty.

Who did that? I musta missed that post, thankfully.

Over on Superman boards, I think it was in Sage's "are we ready to talk about this" thread - which is about Clark's or Superman's character and how human he should be played... it actually started out as a really cool discussion, where people were actually saying how much they liked what Smallville did with Clark's character... What a shock!

Then somebody posted some Mark Millar rant about how Superman is like Jesus and how he is godlike and then someone else said Routh IS Superman and then some Noob comes back and says the rest of us don't just get it unless we come to understand that Superman is Jesus...

So, to use the ol' equations that people are liking lately, this is how I saw that thread going:

If Routh=Superman and Superman=Jesus, then Routh=Jesus...

I'm not an evangelical or anything, but there's something about this line of reasoning that totally creeps me out....

Oh, don't get "better" on our account. It's good when folks stay passionate about what they believe in, even if it IS just a silly movie.

Well, I wasn't really talking about the topic, I was referring to my mood and how cranky I've been feeling all day.

My "wonderful" day at work didn't help that at all either...

I'll still think comparing a comic character to Jesus is stretching it, although I can see the parallels in a very vague way, but saying that he is Jesus is just going too far.

Yeah, I woulda loved Tom to get that part, but I doubt even my extreme joy and enthusiasm for that idea would have carried me to such self-serving, overblown sanctamonious bull**** as that.

And to say that ROUTH is SUPERMAN like he's some sort of gift from Heaven to all of Superman Fandom is reeaaheallly stretching it...

Not all superman fans love this guy, btw.

(I thought I'd just point that out, if all ya'll didn't get the memo... )