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The Official WONDER WOMAN Discussion Thread - Part 3

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A very well-written take on the changes to wonder woman's mythos:

http://thecatastrophists.tumblr.com...ing-the-masculine-into-wonder-woman-and-other

I read that earlier. That's a darn good take.

The main problem with the assertion it puts forth is something anyone with a basic understanding of feminist theory would spot. You don't need to denigrate one side to make the other sex look better.

The book can't seem to make a revelation without some female character being a B---h. At least Lennox tried to help. Hermes is doing something(though he's probably working with the traitor storyline).

The Zeus reveal was made with Strife. The Amazons taunting Diana. Hera's revenge. The Amazon sex secret.

Who do we have in the opposite corner? Wonder Woman... the girl who apparently hasn't met a secret she could figure out. No other female gods to speak of. And Zola, who make have a strong spirit, is basically the damsel in distress.

I know he thinks Noir is the coolest thing ever but the reason those movies are depressing is cause everyone's an a-hole. Even the protagonist.
 
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The reader should get one feeling from the Amazons: that maybe the world WOULD be better if women were in charge. If a WW writer fails to give this impression, then they are doing it wrong.

He's a good writer for what he's good at, but like most male writers, he can't handle WW. There's no shame in that.
 
This new reboot creates more questions than answers some like -

1. If WW is just one of many children of Zeus how is she special ?

2. If Amazons who live on Paradise Island do not age and remain Immortal as long as they stay on the Island, why do they need babies ? I

(I am guessing the answer -It could be that they occasionally leave the Island to fight some war and there are casualties and some of them die, so then they need new female warriors, and for that they need babies, but there is one problem here, where do they fight in the Modern world and haven't they announced that they will have no ties with Man's world ?)

3. Why does Hephaestus need so many male workers at his weapon's forge ? As there is no War going on why would he be making so many swords, arrows etc. ?

4. Does does Diana know nothing about this business so far ?
 
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Sorry, but not being a *****e bag like the rest of her Sibs isn't all that special.
 
Sorry, but not being a *****e bag like the rest of her Sibs isn't all that special.

If the Amazons aren't the good people who sent their daughter to help find a better way, then why did she leave?

Cause she was bored and tired of being taunted?Go fight Demons for fun?
 
yeah this comic has totally lost me. azzarello is a great writer, but wonder woman is not the character for him. he doesnt understand her at all.
 
Sorry, but not being a *****e bag like the rest of her Sibs isn't all that special.

Isn't it, though? Especially given each of their own individual power. Because in Greek Mythology, out of Zeus' siblings, he was the only one would who would do anything to overthrow the Titans. Rallied up the others to fight back. In many cultures and mythologies the hero is no different than the ordinary person, just one who decides to actually do something.

So because this is a comic we can't accept it? Just because comics have 45433893456 heroes already in them? Her not being a *****e like the rest of her siblings and actually do something is a heroic trait still. Makes her different and special.
 
That's cuz his Sibs got eaten.

And yeah. Because it's Super hero comics that already has a bunch of people who do right for the sake of rightness, it's not special.
 
I would be more outraged, but I honestly don't think anything they do with the Amazons surprise me anymore. Admittedly, I didn't expect them to be turned into serial murderers, but then again, it seems pretty obvious DC has been wanting to turn them into pseudo-villains for more than a few years now, and a reboot like this was the perfect excuse to run headlong into that. I guess I'm more surprised that so few people don't see the problem with this, but I'm guessing that also means very few really gave a **** about these characters, because this is easily something as bad as what they pulled with Cassandra Cain during OYL, and people still harp on that pretty frequently. It'd be pretty interesting to see the reaction if a new writer revealed that Ma and Pa Kent were actually serial rapists, or if Alfred drowned babies in his spare time. My main hope is that Azz just leaves the Amazons dead, or in limbo, or whatever, because I just don't carry any hope that he's going to do anything with them that's going to put them in a good light. He seems pretty intent on demonizing them as being as bad as all of Wondie's new God siblings, if not more so. They really need to be off the table until someone can come along and try and to fix (or, at the very least, even out) them. It's a different interpretation, but definitely not one that I want to see continued.

Besides all of that, I'm still enjoying the series. They've basically character assassinated the Amazons, but all the other stuff is still good.
 
the only thing i've really got a problem with as far as the amazons go is, why kill the sailors at all? does a dead father make them more pregnant? that i just don't get, but the rest makes sense to me.
 
The reader should get one feeling from the Amazons: that maybe the world WOULD be better if women were in charge. If a WW writer fails to give this impression, then they are doing it wrong.

He's a good writer for what he's good at, but like most male writers, he can't handle WW. There's no shame in that.

No, I don't agree with that at all.

the only thing i've really got a problem with as far as the amazons go is, why kill the sailors at all? does a dead father make them more pregnant? that i just don't get, but the rest makes sense to me.

So they wouldn't tell, I assume. I doubt anyone would really believe a group of sailors had a random orgy with Amazons, but I guess it's best to be safe than sorry that they may lead them to Paradise Island.
 
Anyone who writes Wonder Woman needs to read this article:

http://www.wonderwoman-online.com/articles/fc-marston.html

They need to sell her in this manner. She needs to be marketed towards the LBGT and fetish set, along with basically being aimed at male readers inner need to be dominated by loving women. The "dark, gritty grim" bit doesn't work for her.
 
That pilot might well be the most awful unintentionally hillarious thing I've ever seen :awesome:

Me and my girlfriend made a drinking game out of watching it

Anyone who writes Wonder Woman needs to read this article:

http://www.wonderwoman-online.com/articles/fc-marston.html

They need to sell her in this manner. She needs to be marketed towards the LBGT and fetish set, along with basically being aimed at male readers inner need to be dominated by loving women. The "dark, gritty grim" bit doesn't work for her.

I would absolutely love it if DC did this

It would be a vast improvement for the character and probably the best thing to be done with her since Rucka's run

The reader should get one feeling from the Amazons: that maybe the world WOULD be better if women were in charge. If a WW writer fails to give this impression, then they are doing it wrong.

He's a good writer for what he's good at, but like most male writers, he can't handle WW. There's no shame in that.

This is why the book should have a female writer

Or be written by Greg Rucka who is one of the few if only male writers who has done a good job writing Wonder Woman post crisis
 
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Wait. Greg Rucka may be the only male writer who has done a good job of writing Wonder Woman?

You do realize William Moulton Marston had a penis, right?
 
Now that Diana is the daughter of Zeus.....that means Ares is now her brother, if anything it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
 
Eh, he was always characterized as her creepy uncle, anyway.
 
He's the ceeepiest creepy uncle of them all :o

Wait. Greg Rucka may be the only male writer who has done a good job of writing Wonder Woman?

You do realize William Moulton Marston had a penis, right?

Ah i meant to type post crisis male writers

My mistake I'll edit that now :)
 
This is why the book should have a female writer

Disagreed. We've had a female writer twice, and both times neither did too hot (you can argue it was editorial with Simone's run, but it was still pretty bad overall).

Or be written by Greg Rucka who is one of the few if only male writers who has done a good job writing Wonder Woman post crisis
I think that's a pretty big stretch. Perez? Jimenez? Even Messner-Loebs? I may not have particularly liked certain stuff from their respective stories, but I think you can make a case that all three of those did a pretty decent job of trying to handle Wondie herself.

And, though we tend to gloritize Rucka's run, it too really sucked a lot of potential hope out of the world around the character, much like I feel Azz's run has been doing lately.

I can't help but wonder why Etta Candy is now black.

Wuh? Where was this? JLA?
 
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