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The opening montage should be done over Desolation Row

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Seriously. This?
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Cliche, overdone, not even close to Dylan's best work. Plus, in relation to the montage, the lyrics are pretty ****ing trite.

This?
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One of Dylan's best songs. The lyrics work so much better "Einstein disguised as Robin Hood" "And the Good Samaritan, he's dressing/He's getting ready for the show/He's going to the carnival tonight" and, of course "At midnight all the agents/And the superhuman crew/Come out and round up everyone/That knows more than they do". Obviously the better choice.
 
Has Snyder commented on what song he wants to use for the Montage?

I do agree, however.
 
I had heard that they were going with The Times They Are A-Changin'.
 
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Just to get an idea of how Snyder might be approaching the montage.
 
Bob's superficial contributions to the cultural zeitgeist have always dwarfed his actual talent, but I suppose its unavoidable having his music in the film. They can make up for this by including "Beautiful World" by Devo during the Dan & Laurie doing it on the couch intermixed with scary war-laden newscasts.
 
Okay, The Times They Are A-Changin' is the first Dylan song I ever liked.

I wouldn't mind if they used it in the film.
 
Bob's superficial contributions to the cultural zeitgeist have always dwarfed his actual talent, but I suppose its unavoidable having his music in the film. They can make up for this by including "Beautiful World" by Devo during the Dan & Laurie doing it on the couch intermixed with scary war-laden newscasts.

I agree. The only Dylan I really like is from when he was playing with The Band. That said, Desolation Row is probably his best song, and the lyrics work so well with Watchmen that it would be criminal to not use it, especially if it's to work in a much crappier and overused Dylan song.

I love the Beautiful World idea.
 
I agree that Desolation Row would probably work better with an opening credits montage, but I don't think the movie should be over-stuffed with musical scenes. Maybe a few, but over saturating the movie with songs that go along with certain scenes probably won't be as effective as it is in the graphic novel.
 
All the songs in the novel could work easily on film. I'm looking forward to listening to Billie Holiday while Laurie and Dan make love in Archie.
 
I really don't like Times Are A-A changing. I can't stand his voice in the song but Desolation Road is good and one of my favorite songs ever is Like a Rolling Stone. But I can't claim to be a Dylan fan and if other songs were chosen instead, I'd be fine with that
 
I had heard that they were going with The Times They Are A-Changin'.

I believe that was from some draft of a script... But there has been nowhere near anything even resembling "confirmation" on this. IMO, it's the most obvious and pedestrian choice -- sort of inherently un-Watchmen-y... Let's hope Snyder and co don't go that route.
If they go with this montage thing, I run it along with "Hero of the War" by Scott Walker. Which none of you have ever even heard of. Unless you're in the UK and either supercool or pushin' 40. But not likely.
 
Alan Moore could've written that song himself. That's probably why he likes it.
 
indeed desolation row would be the superior choice. i would worry about its 10 minute run time though. sure, it could be cut down, but would you be able to do so and get everything out of it that you need? mayb, i dunno. but yeah....i love the times are a changing, but desolation row would own for this.

Bob's superficial contributions to the cultural zeitgeist have always dwarfed his actual talent, but I suppose its unavoidable having his music in the film. They can make up for this by including "Beautiful World" by Devo during the Dan & Laurie doing it on the couch intermixed with scary war-laden newscasts.

please dont criticize bob. you wouldnt like me when im angry :hulk:
 
please dont criticize bob. you wouldnt like me when im angry :hulk:

I didn't wanna have to do this, but it's sorta my job to defecate on all sacred cows. And for a guy like Dylan whose track record is less than spotless, you're only setting yourself up for heartbreak.

Without further ado...
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indeed desolation row would be the superior choice. i would worry about its 10 minute run time though. sure, it could be cut down, but would you be able to do so and get everything out of it that you need? mayb, i dunno. but yeah....i love the times are a changing, but desolation row would own for this.



please dont criticize bob. you wouldnt like me when im angry :hulk:

Oh good, yet another person stepping up to tell me what i can and cant say here.
 
I didn't wanna have to do this, but it's sorta my job to defecate on all sacred cows. And for a guy like Dylan whose track record is less than spotless, you're only setting yourself up for heartbreak.

Hey, in 40+ years of pushing the limits of popular music there's bound to be some missteps. Saved springs to mind for me. His willingness to take risks is why he is what he is--an absolute genius and American cultural icon. (That said, Kurtis Blow? Ouch).

Anyway, I think if they want to use some 60s folk-Bob, but don't want to use 'The Times They Are-A Changin' (which I also think would be a little cliched), then 'A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall' could work really well.
 
To be honest, though Bob Dylan's lyrics suit the themes of the film well, virtually none of his actual music fits particularly well. Both Desolation Row and Times would be awkwardly placed.
 
Hey, in 40+ years of pushing the limits of popular music there's bound to be some missteps. Saved springs to mind for me. His willingness to take risks is why he is what he is--an absolute genius and American cultural icon. (That said, Kurtis Blow? Ouch).

Anyway, I think if they want to use some 60s folk-Bob, but don't want to use 'The Times They Are-A Changin' (which I also think would be a little cliched), then 'A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall' could work really well.

Cultural icon yes, but genius? Mozart was a genius, Bob Dylan...not so much.
 
Eh, I could never really get into Dylan--as long as it fits with the movie, I really don't care.
 
and for a guy like Dylan whose track record is less than spotless, you're only setting yourself up for heartbreak.

Without further ado...


so bloody what? what does this mean? Dylan's freinds with alot of musians from all styles and he's never been afraid of looking stupid. this was the 80's, he was off his head. there's alot of dodgy stuff from around then.

he's not a 'sacred cow'. I understand the term and it's value because there are alot of bullshiit 'icons' out there, but Bob is not one of them. he is IT.


I had heard that they were going with The Times They Are A-Changin'.

agreed it's overplayed, out of time and very very cheesy on film. iDesolation Row is far and away a better choice.
 
so bloody what? what does this mean? Dylan's freinds with alot of musians from all styles and he's never been afraid of looking stupid. this was the 80's, he was off his head. there's alot of dodgy stuff from around then.

he's not a 'sacred cow'. I understand the term and it's value because there are alot of bullshiit 'icons' out there, but Bob is not one of them. he is IT.

Wow. It is invariably shocking to find myself actually surprised at a response as belligerent as yours -- after all, these boards wouldn't exist if it weren't for paranoia, histrionics and the like.

The whole Curtis Blow thing was a joke, brother. It was meant to be funny. And it is. So relax.
 
well thats why i was belligerent i thought you were for real. sorry i havn't seen you post much i don't know your style. next time use a damn smiley

like this....

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Of course they should use Desolation Row! The title of the first chapter of the novel is taken from its lyrics.
 

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