The Dark Knight The Oscar Push!

[ChrisB]

That's what I figured, good to know. Is it normal not to televise the grammy for a movie score?

yup

 

[scifiwolf]

Glad to see Newton Howard and Zimmer win the Grammy. I was also pleased to see John Williams win for "The Adventures of Mutt". Say what you want about that movie or that scene, but the track was brilliant.

 

[Anita18]

I disagree. Batman Begins uses flashbacks, which is a typical Nolan feature. TDK is the one that is different from his other movies since it's told in a straight linear style.

It actually isn't.

But not just the use of flashbacks - lots of directors use flashbacks. I was specifically referring to say, the ending or the overall tone. The endings of Nolan's movies tend to punch the viewer in the stomach, and TDK did that more than BB. BB also had one foot in the comic-book-movie formula and one foot out, while TDK basically took the formula and threw it out the window. The tone of Nolan's films also lend an air of dreaded inevitability. Like, you know it won't end well but the story is just so powerful that you have to see it all the way through. Again, TDK had this more than BB did.

 

[redfirebird2008]

It actually isn't.

But not just the use of flashbacks - lots of directors use flashbacks. I was specifically referring to say, the ending or the overall tone. The endings of Nolan's movies tend to punch the viewer in the stomach, and TDK did that more than BB. BB also had one foot in the comic-book-movie formula and one foot out, while TDK basically took the formula and threw it out the window. The tone of Nolan's films also lend an air of dreaded inevitability. Like, you know it won't end well but the story is just so powerful that you have to see it all the way through. Again, TDK had this more than BB did.

TDK very much had one foot in the comic book formula. There's a 20-30 minute portion of the movie (the climax with SWAT and ferry boats) that feels like something straight out of an over the top comic book movie. It felt similar to the climax of Begins.

 

[redfirebird2008]

of course! you got to have familiarity...

Well of course. The best part of the movie is when Depp is sailing after the Fountain of Youth in the dingy boat at the very end and the main COTBP theme starts playing. t:

 

[Anita18]

TDK very much had one foot in the comic book formula. There's a 20-30 minute portion of the movie (the climax with SWAT and ferry boats) that feels like something straight out of an over the top comic book movie. It felt similar to the climax of Begins.

But unlike every other comic book movie, the main part wasn't a one-on-one fight with the hero's arch enemy. The part where Batman and Joker went mano a mano lasted like, 15 seconds.

Plus the real climax happened on the ferries, not where Batman and Joker were at all.

 

[Boom]

A Critics' Choice Award.
A Golden Globe Award.
A Screen Actors Guild Award.
A BAFTA Award.

Heath has won all of the heavy hitters up to this point, with, perhaps, the exception of the Satellite Awards, but I don't know if that is considered one of the big awards. Does anyone know how relevant those awards are?

At this point, I would safely consider him a done deal for an Oscar victory. Considering his clean sweep at the televised award ceremonies, it would be a huge upset (and quite a mind****) if he doesn't win the big prize at this point.

 

[redfirebird2008]

But unlike every other comic book movie, the main part wasn't a one-on-one fight with the hero's arch enemy. The part where Batman and Joker went mano a mano lasted like, 15 seconds.

Plus the real climax happened on the ferries, not where Batman and Joker were at all.

Yeah but the "pick your poison" scenario has been done before, even if they did try to put a different twist on it by making the citizens and criminals choose rather than the superhero himself. Batman Forever and Spider-Man are two examples in the superhero genre with a "pick your poison" climax.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

A Critics' Choice Award.
A Golden Globe Award.
A Screen Actors Guild Award.
A BAFTA Award.

Heath has won all of the heavy hitters up to this point, with, perhaps, the exception of the Satellite Awards, but I don't know if that is considered one of the big awards. Does anyone know how relevant those awards are?

At this point, I would safely consider him a done deal for an Oscar victory. Considering his clean sweep at the televised award ceremonies, it would be a huge upset (and quite a mind****) if he doesn't win the big prize at this point.

The Satellites are not relevant at all...

This year's best actor:Richard Jenkins
Last year's best actor:Viggo Mortensen
Last year's best supporting: Affleck/Wilkinson

So,they are rarely if ever choosing the best or the consensus.

 

[scifiwolf]

Boom, I'd say the most significant of the awards you mentioned is the SAG award, followed closely by the BAFTA. I'd say the Golden Globes has lost all credibility with the public, and the Critics' Choice awards seem not to pay too much attention to the reviews from the year.

 

[NickyTea]

It actually isn't.

This depends on what you view as the movie proper, I suppose.
The only real element that is "messing up" the movie's almost completely linear structure (time stretch and juxtaposition of events aside) is the prologue. Perhaps so aptly named.

Plus the real climax happened on the ferries, not where Batman and Joker were at all.

I'll fight you on this till the day I die.

 

[Bim]

Glad to see Newton Howard and Zimmer win the Grammy. I was also pleased to see John Williams win for "The Adventures of Mutt". Say what you want about that movie or that scene, but the track was brilliant.

Totally agreed, i'm happy aswell

 

[MiniBond]

it would be a huge upset (and quite a mind****) if he doesn't win the big prize at this point.

honestly, after the snub for the rest of the movie in the major categories I'm prepared for the worse



to Zimmer and Howard for the grammy btw !

 

[Anita18]

This depends on what you view as the movie proper, I suppose.
The only real element that is "messing up" the movie's almost completely linear structure (time stretch and juxtaposition of events aside) is the prologue. Perhaps so aptly named.

I'll fight you on this till the day I die.

Yes, but then why is Batman's introduction shown before the bank heist investigation? That's the part that's out of order.

Well, that and the "views of the future" at the very end, but...anyway.

Yeah, I suppose the climax bit is arguable, but the overall fight is leading up to that moment - do the passengers choose to detonate the other boat? Batman taking away Joker's detonator won't make a difference if passengers on either boat decide to use theirs anyway.

 

[Dark Knight]

They just won the Grammy for best score for TDK!

Congratulations to Mr Zimmer and Mr Howard for being recognized with the Best Score and Soundtrack award with a Grammy.

That will make up for the Oscar bulls**t!

 

[Ibn]

Damn. Movie scores musta really sucked this year.

 

[byte19]

with the exception of TDK and Ironman, i think so....

 

[scifiwolf]

I liked the score James Newton Howard did for Defiance. If the score's not good enough to take notice of it while you're watching the movie, then it's not that good. TDK, Indy 4, WALL-E and Defiance were the only soundtracks that did that for me.

 

[hatebox]

I liked the score James Newton Howard did for Defiance. If the score's not good enough to take notice of it while you're watching the movie, then it's not that good.

hmm... I know a lot of film composers who would say the opposite - that a score should enhance the scene but not overpower it.

 

[Ibn]

with the exception of TDK and Ironman, i think so....

Oh no. I meant them too. Bland percussion and simplistic melodylines, and basically a rock soundtrack. Yeah i thought they sucked too. Tho Ironman music supervisor did have some decent taste.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Weinstein Tips Nine For Oscar Glory

12 February 2009 8:35 AM, PST

Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein is predicting Oscar success for his latest project - movie-musical Nine.

The film, starring Daniel Day-Lewis, Penelope Cruz and Nicole Kidman, recently wrapped shooting and is scheduled to hit cinemas in November.

The all-star cast is directed by Rob Marshall, who also helmed critically-acclaimed 2002 musical Chicago - which garnered six Academy Awards, including a Best Supporting Actress gong for Catherine Zeta-Jones.

And Weinstein is sure the winning formula will be repeated with Nine.

He says, "Most definitely. You'll see a lot of nominations. You'll see a lot of dancing too. Really, this is a great musical, a lot of great musical numbers.

"It's directed by Rob Marshall. We won the Oscar for Chicago; hopefully we'll get in the arena again."

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0677715/

 

[StylishHokie21]

Haha! He got nominated for one Oscar and thinks his films will be Oscar material now.

 

[jmc]

As we've learned it's not about which films are better it's about who campaigns and sucks up the most. Nine does look like a film directed squarely at winning Oscars, all star cast, musical, release in September, basically Oscar bait.

 

[Crook]

Haha! He got nominated for one Oscar and thinks his films will be Oscar material now.

His films have been at the Oscars for a while now.

I don't like the guy either, but admittedly some of the films his name is attached to, I like quite a bit.

 

[Figs]

It seems like he only makes movies for the sole purpose of getting nominated and/or winning.

I can't see this guy having any real kind of artistic passion in him at all.