The Penguin Appeciation Thread

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  1. RustyCage Come what may..

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    So, I just finally got 'round to reading Penguin: Pain and Prejudice. I have to say, I'm decently floored by how good it is.

    I was wondering two things:

    1) Does anyone know if they're planning a Hardcover release of this?


    Because it deserves it, and I would buy it.

    2) What are some other Penguin stories you'd recommend?

    Personally, I'd recommend Joker's Asylum: Penguin, but I think that's included with the Paperback collection of PAP.

    My two cents on Pain and Prejudice:

    I have a couple of nitpicks, such as the beheading early on being a bit of a corny and obvious 'shock factor' grab, and there are a few unnecessary 'BAM! KABLOOSH!' bits that take away from action panels that are more effective without them.

    It feels like the climax could have done with more growth, but the story is still told, both deeply and engagingly.

    The moral of the story is that the Penguin's own doing left him all alone. He did everything to be powerful, but he could never have an honest companionship .. because he didn't trust anyone to love him. Everything that he resented not having he, sadly, wound up pushing away out of his own paranoia and hatred. His existence is a sullen irony.

    Tragic end of it is, despite all he lost to this behavior, and even though he's visibly sorrowed for a moment by the result of it, he doesn't fully acknowledge or respect it, and continues on as he was. The lesson is lost on him. All he sees is red.

    The art wowed me. Penguin was portrayed more perfectly and poignantly than probably any other portrayal of a Batman villain that I'm witness to, and a lot of the set pieces oozed with their own personality and story. I particularly appreciated the page with Oswald's mother's funeral. There are autumn leaves drifting down the black patches of the page, framing the atmosphere. They use shadows and 'the little things' with a sense of poetry.

    Not always the best visual depiction of Batman, though. There are a few awesome panels that evoke a bit of Tim Sale (but do it arguably better, if you ask me - not sure if that's blasphemy), but most of it, while not bad, isn't as impressive. Either way, they capture all the appropriate elements of him they needed to tell the story.

    The artist cycled through several different chest emblems through the book, which was a fun distraction. The Nolan-style emblem makes an appearance in one or two panels, which brought me a smile. I love nods like that. Funny enough, even though he was chest-branded as Nolan's Batman, I mostly caught myself reading his lines with Michael Keaton's voice in my head rather than Christian Bale's. The attitude of his lines just felt more like Keaton's Batman than any other version.

    If I had to whip up a number to score this book, I'd give it a 9.8. Ounces away from perfection.

    It's short (5 issues), but it's so dense with thought-provoking content and emotional perspective that it feels like you've spent considerable time on it, experienced a lot, by the time you're through. The art is rendered with a care that reflects and expands this.

    Thumbs way up.

    And now, a pair of textless covers for your enjoyment.

    I have these two in larger sizes if anybody would like them.

    Pain and Prejudice #1:

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    Joker's Asylum - Penguin:

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  2. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    Pain and Prejudice is one of the best and most underrated Batman stories that has come out in years. At times I felt a bit bad for Oswald, and other times I found him terrifying and so vile. That's how the Penguin should be. A combination of villainy with a touch of the sympathetic.

    If you want recommendations for other great Penguin stories, I'd recommend:

    - Detective Comics #610 & 611. Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle greatness.

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    - Secret Origins Special #1. Penguin gets revenge on a childhood bully who tormented him mercilessly.

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    - Batman #548 and 549. A great story where Penguin gets tired of life in the Iceberg Lounge and misses the exciting days when he would challenge Batman as a the umbrella wielding, attack bird loving super villain.

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  3. RustyCage Come what may..

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    This one was clearly a huge inspiration for Pain and Prejudice. Even down to his father dying of pneumonia (come to think of it, my mom almost did..) and thus the umbrella.

    The Two-Face story in this book is one of the better ones I've read too. My fave of the set.

    Are these collected within GN volumes? Or should I just seek out the individual issues?

    Love the first Grant/Breyfogle cover. I could turn a number of their covers into posters. :up:

    Thanks for providing those. :woot:

    Edit: This is my top Grant/Breyfogle cover that I've come across so far. Had to share it!

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    If only I could find it in high-resolution...
     
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  4. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    Batman #548 covers this as well in a flashback Oswald has. It shows a scene where his mother forces him to carry the umbrella around even in the sunshine because the father died of pneumonia by walking out into a rain storm. Only the mother in this story is very unpleasant. A real biotch in fact. She smacks him viciously over the head with the umbrella when he refuses to take it. She even calls him a little freak.

    Seek the individual issues. If you have any good comic book store near you that sells back issues you should find them there. Or look for them on-line. They're not expensive. Both are from the 90's.

    Also if you're looking for another Penguin story where he's just pure ruthless evil, check out the first Detective Comics Annual written by Denny O'Neil:

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    I agree. Their run on Detective is my favorite of any era in the Batman comics. I have all of them except for one issue.

    Yeah, that's beautiful. Breyfogle really knew how to draw the best Batman.
     
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  5. Cain Gentlebane

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    A lot of my favorite Penguin stories have already been posted. Here are some more:

    Detective Comics #824

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    Batman #257

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    Joker's Asylum: The Penguin #1

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    Batman #38

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    Batman #448, Detective Comics # 615, Batman #449

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    The Batman Adventures #1

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    Penguin Triumphant

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    Robin: To Kill a Bird

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  6. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    The ones Cain posted are all solid recommendations. I would also recommend this one from the classic Steve Englehart run on Detective Comics in the 70's:

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    It's collected in the TPB of that era called 'Strange Apparitions'.

    I've never read that one. What's the basic plot of it?
     
  7. Cain Gentlebane

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    Shortly after Tim Drake has lost his father and Stephanie Brown The Penguin decides to put out a contract on Robin's head while he's in the middle of his grieving. It was one of the best stories Bill Willingham wrote during his Robin run.

    Here's another cool Penguin story and a rare Batman & Joker team up. Where The Joker is framed for killing The Penguin and it ends up being a circumstance driven by a lot of fowl play (I did that on purpose lol).

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    These are not conventional Penguin stories but I found them to be a lot of fun as well

    The Silver Age #1

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    Teen Titans Silver Age #1

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    A few more of my favorite Penguin stories from Batman comics

    Detective Comics #171

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    Batman #155

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    Batman #169

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    Batman #190

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    Batman #287

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    Batman #374

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  8. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    Thanks. It sounds good. I'll have to track it down. How many issues did it run for?


    I love this one. It was used as a basis for Penguin's first episode in the 1966 Batman show.
     
  9. Cain Gentlebane

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    The entire story runs from Robin #134 - #139

    But the Penguin centric issues are #135 - #138
     
  10. Cain Gentlebane

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    After seeing all the Penguin talk over in the Batman (1989) thread I think it's time to bump this thread once again.

    Cobblepot Rules!
     
  11. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    ^Grim Reaper is that you? Nice name change :up:
     
  12. Cain Gentlebane

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    It's really cool that you've gotten into him through a lot of his classic golden age appearances. People usually overlook the golden age but there is so much great stuff available from that era it's not even funny. Especially when it comes to Batman.
     
  13. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    A lot of Burgess Meredith's Penguin was based off the Golden Age stories.
     
  14. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    Burgess is still my favorite Penguin out of all the on screen adaptions of the character. He was born to play him. Originally he wasn't even first choice. Mickey Rooney was. But he couldn't because of a scheduling conflict, thank god. So Burgess got the part, and he ended up being the favorite villain on the show (they always had a script written for him should Burgess ever be available to do an episode), and Bill Dozier, the show's executive producer, loved him best out of all the guest villains, too.

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  15. AnneFan Hathaway #1

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    Yeah, Burgess was fantastic. He really transformed for the character. I think his Penguin worked really well because he struck a nice balance of criminal and gentleman. He always had a scheme (and a reputation) but could still charm the ladies and slip into the social scene. This Penguin was really on the ball, too. For example he always detected listening devices that were planted. I liked that side of him. He was no fool.
     
  16. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    Yes true that. I recall several times where Batman and Robin tried to spy on Penguin and he always sussed it out. My favorite was when Bruce tried to bug his umbrella shop, and ended up being caught because Penguin had his shop alarmed for such a thing. Penguin gassed him and almost roasted him alive in his furnace.
     
  17. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    He had a little mini aviary of caged carrier pigeons in the back of his umbrella shop;

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    66 Penguin was amazing I loved every moment he was in the show and same as Joker, Catwoman and The Riddler.

    My favourite Penguin is Paul Williams in BTAS and live action is Danny DeVito plus DeVito is one of my actor.
     
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  19. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    The 60's show did that, too;

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    They were teamed up in a season 2 three part episode, and in the spin off movie, too.
     
  20. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    He used several. Gas, gun, one that shoots sparks, oh and he had a bulletproof one, too. He also had non weapon ones that were tricked out with devices like bug detectors, two way radios, even one that he used to light his cigarettes.

    You won't regret purchasing the show or the movie. They're class. Penguin is the lead villain in the movie. Nearly everything revolves around him with the villains.
     
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  21. titansupes Registered

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    So how many great Penguin stories are available in trade paperback/hardcover and on Amazon? Always been interested to read more on him and this thread's been great. :up:
     
  22. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    ^ I just bought that Annual in it's original format recently. Great story. And Breyfogle doing the art makes it even better. That must be one of his first Batman stories because that came out in 1987, the year before he started his regular run with Grant on Detective.
     
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  23. AnneFan Hathaway #1

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    I think birds are his true passion. The umbrella is a prop, but nonetheless much loved by him.
     
  24. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    Yeah it's the more the birds. He relates to them, he cares about them, they were his only friends as a kid. The umbrella came from his mother forcing him to always carry one, and later he found out what an effective weapon it can be. So while the umbrella is an obsession coming from a personal event in his life, the birds are way more personal to him because of the emotional attachment, and the fact that he resembles one himself.
     
  25. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    He even often calls the birds his friends. Batman has even mentally noted many times that he Penguin treats birds with more compassion than he ever has his fellow human beings.
     

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