The Penguin The Penguin on HBO - General Discussion

[shauner111]

I’m interested in the new Spawn. And I’ll check out what they got cooking with Ali’s Blade.

 

[signalman]

Colin Farrell gives us a bit of news on how much Reeves is involved.
"All Over"

The Batman's HBO Max Spin-off Receives Exciting Story Update (thedirect.com)

 

[Gandhi]

Colin Farrell gives us a bit of news on how much Reeves is involved.
"All Over"

The Batman's HBO Max Spin-off Receives Exciting Story Update (thedirect.com)

Very exciting to hear that Reeves is so involved. Between this and the news that it may not shoot until 2023, it does make me question when we’ll get the sequel. I was predicting June 2025 initially but knowing that Reeves is a self-admitted slow writer, there is an Arkham series also to come and two Avengers’ movies now releasing in 2025, I would maybe push my prediction to 2026. The good news though, is that this is not like the Nolan trilogy where we just had to wait for the movies. We have at least two tv shows to look forward to in the meantime.

What are the forum’s expectations for how much this is going to look like the movie and feel like the same world? Greig Fraser is obviously shooting Dune so won’t be involved. I never expected him to shoot the tv shows but it’ll be interesting to see who they get and whether they can make it look like a continuation of the movie with less money.

 

[Iceman]

That is good news. I certainly didn’t expect that level of involvement from him on shows.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Just hope he doesn’t get burnt out, but I love that he is hands on with everything.

 

[shauner111]

I want this guy to make a movie before the third film.

@Gandhi i don’t expect Greg to shoot Penguin however, Dune will be done shooting before The Penguin starts.

I’m still expecting a 2025 release for the sequel. Summer or fall.

 

[BatsAndNights]

At the absolute earliest, I'd say Winter 2024. And that's if Matt essentially got the best case scenario on writing the script where there's no hurdles to jump through. Otherwise, it wouldn't surprise me if we get a traditional summer of 2025 date

 

[shauner111]

At the absolute earliest, I'd say Winter 2024. And that's if Matt essentially got the best case scenario on writing the script where there's no hurdles to jump through. Otherwise, it wouldn't surprise me if we get a traditional summer of 2025 date

Sounds right to me.

The thing that I’m really curious about here is what season are we looking at here? Is The Penguin a winter or spring timeframe post-The Batman? Or both. I’m guessing it’s that winter since it’s a short season and Colin mentioned how the story picks up directly after The Batman.

So what does that mean for The Batman 2? Surely you can do an Arkham show set during the cold, isolated months of winter or it follows the Penguin show and Arkham’s set in the spring/summer which leads to a fall or winter Batman sequel. I’ll take a winter film too.

 

[Sawyer]

Colin Farrell gives us a bit of news on how much Reeves is involved.
"All Over"

The Batman's HBO Max Spin-off Receives Exciting Story Update (thedirect.com)

Who Matt hand-picks to direct this is what I’m most interested in.

 

[BatsAndNights]

Sounds right to me.

The thing that I’m really curious about here is what season are we looking at here? Is The Penguin a winter or spring timeframe post-The Batman? Or both. I’m guessing it’s that winter since it’s a short season and Colin mentioned how the story picks up directly after The Batman.

So what does that mean for The Batman 2? Surely you can do an Arkham show set during the cold, isolated months of winter or it follows the Penguin show and Arkham’s set in the spring/summer which leads to a fall or winter Batman sequel. I’ll take a winter film too.

I'd say spring for Penguin sounds the most reasonable. I think what makes most sense for Batman 2 and the future movies is that they're all set one year after the other. Potentially longer, if it makes sense within the overarcing story. That way, the continued evolution of Battinson is that much more apparent

 

[Lautox]

I find really interesting that 3 of the characters that will appear in the series have dealt with physical insecurities. Embracing who you really are could be a theme in the upcoming series.

 

[shauner111]

Clayface hides from it, Penguin chooses to embrace it.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Rob just started filming his new movie Mickey7. Maybe they can get Rob to film a small Batman cameo in February for this spin-off.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

If this is true, Zaslav lost his dang mind. Look like they just canceled Batgirl. They better leave Reeves’s batverse alone.

 

[C Prometheus]

If this is true, Zaslav lost his dang mind. Look like they just canceled Batgirl. They better leave Reeves’s batverse alone.

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God, this is absolutely bonkers. What an idiotic plan from Zaslav's part.

 

[shauner111]

I’m confused about the “no scripted” line. Does that mean all of the Warner related spin off shows would be canceled? Aka Penguin, Arkham. Or is Reeves’ spin off ideas safe here? It’s just throwing me off. Especially with the sudden delay for the Penguin, makes me think they’re all being wiped out.

 

[Filmfreak]

I’m confused about the “no scripted” line. Does that mean all of the Warner related spin off shows would be canceled? Aka Penguin, Arkham. Or is Reeves’ spin off ideas safe here? It’s just throwing me off. Especially with the sudden delay for the Penguin, makes me think they’re all being wiped out.

Maybe they'll put them on HBO. I don't have a clue what Discovery is doing and I doubt they have either. I'm afraid it's going to get really ugly for WB in the future.

 

[J.Drangal]

With all this restructuring, even if Reeves trilogy is most definitely "safe", I think all the side projects are "on hold", to say that without being alarmist....

We talked the other day about how studios sometimes announce projects too early, creating long months of silence that can be misinterpreted as troubled development when it is simply the normal process. Well, to be honest, for some time, I've had some suspicions about what is going on with the Penguin series.
Sure, its pre-production could have been done quietly, but the lack of substantial information about it, such as the casting of talent in front of or behind the camera, the synopsis or anything else, bothered me a bit. Especially considering WB's track record

And tonight, they just cancelled a fully shot movie.
So, yeah. I have a bad feeling about this. At least, when it comes to shows, I think anything else apart Penguin is probably "dead" (ok, now I'm alarmist ).

 

[Filmfreak]

I think the lack of news regarding Penguin, and the inevitable delay is happening exactly due to Discovery taking over and not the other way around. It was supposed to start filming in June and the whole thing froze since the announcement. Additionally the companion series to Dune was supposed to start filming in September and there have been zero news about that too. JJ Abrams' Demimonde would also start production in the same month, they even cast the lead actress for the show, and it was completely canned. All projects that were at the bring of happening, until Zaslav took over. No one knows for sure what is happening but it kind of have started showing a pattern.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Everyone thought Jason Kilar was the bad guy lol

 

[Filmfreak]

Well, every single time a new regime takes over in WB, people think it can't possibly be worse than the previous one. And every single time it is.

 

[BatsAndNights]

Possible, but I'm not quite in full doomposting mode over it yet. A limited series following a very successful movie is very different to a 90 million movie exclusively made for streaming

 

[shauner111]

The thing I keep coming back to in my head is this: Matt had the concept for the sequel with Penguin, rise of Scarface etc and Warner straight up told him “let’s do that as a tv show instead”. Which means the 8 hour version of what we could be getting next year (or not?) could have been a 2.5 hour movie.

So now, Matt’s sequel is basically the follow up to that idea. So my question is: What if Matt’s only a couple of months into his first draft (still working on Act 1) when hypothetically he gets the call about Penguin’s cancellation. What does he do now? Does he keep doing his thing with whatever new villains he’s thought up? Or does he start over and merge his current ideas with his original intention for the Penguin show?? There’s a way to take the “greatest hits” of the Penguin episodes, trim the fat, eliminate some of the side characters and subplots, run with the main Cobblepot/Sionis gang war stuff. Mix it into whatever Batman/Gordon details he’s hammering away at..

 

[J.Drangal]

The thing I keep coming back to in my head is this: Matt had the concept for the sequel with Penguin, rise of Scarface etc and Warner straight up told him “let’s do that as a tv show instead”. Which means the 8 hour version of what we could be getting next year (or not?) could have been a 2.5 hour movie.

So now, Matt’s sequel is basically the follow up to that idea. So my question is: What if Matt’s only a couple of months into his first draft (still working on Act 1) when hypothetically he gets the call about Penguin’s cancellation. What does he do now? Does he keep doing his thing with whatever new villains he’s thought up? Or does he start over and merge his current ideas with his original intention for the Penguin show?? There’s a way to take the “greatest hits” of the Penguin episodes, trim the fat, eliminate some of the side characters and subplots, run with the main Cobblepot/Sionis gang war stuff. Mix it into whatever Batman/Gordon details he’s hammering away at..

Are these actual facts?
If so, this series would be less of an appendix than I thought and these spin-offs would actually be very much tied to the story of the films (which I'm not very sure about, I admit to being a bit stupidly conservative/snob about this).
And in that case, like you said, a cancellation of the series would surely mess up Reeves' plan for the sequel...

I just hope that whatever happens behind the curtain, the studio won't destroy its relation with Reeves and Pattinson and let their take on Batman took its time to developp to its full potential. The report about Batgirl being cancelled especially because it would lack "spectacle" is kind of a red flag to me...

 

[shauner111]

Are these actual facts?
If so, this series would be less of an appendix than I thought and these spin-offs would actually be very much tied to the story of the films (which I'm not very sure about, I admit to being a bit stupidly conservative/snob about this).
And in that case, like you said, a cancellation of the series would surely mess up Reeves' plan for the sequel...

I just hope that whatever happens behind the curtain, the studio won't destroy its relation with Reeves and Pattinson and let their take on Batman took its time to developp to its full potential. The report about Batgirl being cancelled especially because it would lack "spectacle" is kind of a red flag to me...

Yeah Matt said it on a podcast.