The Penguin The Penguin on HBO - General Discussion

[Kane52630]

Because I'm greedy:


The Batman Part II
The Officer Martinez Show
Catwoman
The Penguin S2
Arkham Asylum
The Batman Part III

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[Boom]

fixed

"Police action."

 

[Kane52630]

"Police action."

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

The Penguin complete first season is available on digital platforms.

Even though it's available to watch on HBO Max at any time, I'll wait for a hopefully physical release. Would go nice to have a collection for this universe.

 

[Sawyer]

Goddamn right.

 

[Boom]

Goddamn right.

Feasting.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

I find it interesting that Oz's girlfriend's last name is Karlo. She dressed up as other women for Oz. The name is too specific, it's not a coincidence.

 

[Boom]

I find it interesting that Oz's girlfriend's last name is Karlo. She dressed up as other women for Oz. The name is too specific, it's not a coincidence.

I think she's meant to be a nod to Clayface and nothing more. Unless they introduce her brother Basil...

 

[DeadlyWest]

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Is it just me who thought the guy behind the Chief was Gordon at an immediate glance

 

[Luke995]

The boy who played baby Oz did so well that in Farrell's scene at Monroe's I absolutely saw him... older.
The quality of this entire production and of thisuniverse is pure gold.

 

[DCDAVE]

A few questions from me that needs to be answered. Thanks in advance. Gordon is the only one that uses the Bat signal in Reeves Batman universe it appears. Why is nobody asking where Gordon was in the Penguin series? Question for fans who believe Batman should have shown his shadow. Batman only comes out at night to avenge the innocent. Who did the Penguin or Sofia come across that Batman would have avenged? Why did the Bat signal ignite at the end of the Penguin? What happened that Gordon needed to contact Batman at the end of the series?

 

[Venom 1988]

@DCDAVE I would spoiler tag all that.

 

[elgaz]

Spoiler

This show was so good.

The best thing about it? The show was unapologetic and didn’t try to make Oz into some conflicted villain, or anti-hero. Sure, you have to root for the show’s lead but they achieved that by showing him emotional at times, praising Vic, seemingly showing generosity of spirit in his underdog-against-the-Gotham establishment story. But as the show progressed, we learn he lies about everything and plays everyone against everyone else and none of these moments were truly genuine for the right reasons; they were all part of his manipulation tactics. The show essentially played the audience also as it progressed through the 8 episodes.

Having him and Vic sit alone, triumphant after beating Sophia and just talking it out, only for him to kill Vic, shows that he truly is only out for himself. Which is how it should be - he can’t become one of Batman’s greatest villains and the crime Kingpin of Gotham by being even mildly compassionate. It’s a shocking move that we perhaps didn’t expect, but knowing the character after all these episodes, it’s not that hard to accept that he is capable of this. I don't think he even truly loves his mother, because nothing he did was truly in her best interests - it was all about her opinion of him, and thus his opinion of himself.

There is some irony also that in the end, he kills his most loyal ally - who considers Oz his ‘family’ - by choking him out, just like Carmine Falcone did to all those women. He doesn’t go with a bullet to the back of the head or something else painless, but inflicts a slow death on Vic. He becomes the hangman that Sophia was falsely accused of being.

 

[Sawyer]

 

[Rod]

4k Steelbook announced:


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Amazon already taking pre-orders (region free) as per UK shop:

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[kguillou]

This may sound like a silly question but I'll ask this anyway, does a season 2 of The Penguin work now that we all hate protagonist? I feel like the empathy we had for Oz during most of season one was part of what wanted us to go on this journey with him and even root for him at times. Now, that we know he's a despicable POS, do we as viewers want to follow this character on another journey?

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

4k Steelbook announced:


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When the order goes up in the US, I will definitely, positively order.

 

[Gothamsknight]

4k Steelbook announced:


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Waiting for the US version to drop, which is always dead last for some reason

 

[elgaz]

This may sound like a silly question but I'll ask this anyway, does a season 2 of The Penguin work now that we all hate protagonist? I feel like the empathy we had for Oz during most of season one was part of what wanted us to go on this journey with him and even root for him at times. Now, that we know he's a despicable POS, do we as viewers want to follow this character on another journey?

Good question. I think a second season would have to take a different stance. He can't play the underdog any more, and the audience would need a different reason to root for him (for want of a better phrase). Plus the story would no doubt have to involve him retaining or consolidating his power. I guess they could factor in remorse of some kind, show some kind of humanity, but I'd worry that would be a backward step after the show unapologetically allowing him to go full blown villain.

 

[Venom 1988]

This may sound like a silly question but I'll ask this anyway, does a season 2 of The Penguin work now that we all hate protagonist? I feel like the empathy we had for Oz during most of season one was part of what wanted us to go on this journey with him and even root for him at times. Now, that we know he's a despicable POS, do we as viewers want to follow this character on another journey?

I dunno I watched Succession for 4 seasons and I hated all the main characters lol. I don't need to have empathy for a character to be engaged in a story.

 

[kguillou]

I dunno I watched Succession for 4 seasons and I hated all the main characters lol. I don't need to have empathy for a character to be engaged in a story.

Sure, but you do have to be invested in their journey if they're your protagonist. To a degree. When you absolutely hate your protagonist you run the risk of not wanting them to achieve their goals, you just wanna see them get taken down. Most shows about bad people circumvent this by giving these bad people a "code" of some sort or a line they will never cross. We now know Penguin has no lines.

 

[RockSP]

I dunno I watched Succession for 4 seasons and I hated all the main characters lol. I don't need to have empathy for a character to be engaged in a story.

Yeah it's interesting to me that some viewers somehow didn't know Oz was a piece of ish until the Victor thing. He's been garbage the entire show. Having said that, I don't think the series needs another season. If it happens, I'd check it out, of course.

 

[chintai80]

This may sound like a silly question but I'll ask this anyway, does a season 2 of The Penguin work now that we all hate protagonist? I feel like the empathy we had for Oz during most of season one was part of what wanted us to go on this journey with him and even root for him at times. Now, that we know he's a despicable POS, do we as viewers want to follow this character on another journey?

i just want to see batman beat his ass in the sequels now.
justice for Vic!

 

[Enriquespy]

Season Two? After all that talk from our man Coming about not wanting to wear the prothesis again? What could possibly change his mind

The series was great.

A couple points:

The show decided to pull no punches, an excellent decision.

Gotham: where mommy/daddy issues are as abundant as doctorates.

Colin and Milloti are great, but both the actresses that play Francis also did a superb job.

 

[Sithborg]

Season 2 is easy. He's trying to fit into the higher class of Gotham. And if Fall of the House of Usher is anything to go by, we do love watching rich *******s get killed.