Comics The Real Possibility of MJ... *spoilers*

[Dangerous]

I was in the comic shop this week (unusual huh?).

My main comic dude was telling me that he has this belief (after talking to others) that MJ is going to be killed off during the Civil War as a precursor to SM donning the black duds (in mourning) and leaving Avengers, changing sides, and going back to being a loner etc.
This would be drastic and piss a hell of a lot of people off, but the stuff Joe Q has been talking about recently in interviews has sometimes hinted towards this type of thing.
Talking about how peeps like PP best as a swinging bachelor, which basically makes for more fun story telling (Not that I think it would be the right path to take).

I didn’t really think Joe Q would go that far but my comic man was explaining that he reckons Joe really does not care about character mythos and long time supporting cast, all he cares about is shock stories and sky rocketing sales. Looking at it like that (and his recent track record) I’m starting to think of this in terms of something that may actually happen.
Is anyone else concerned?

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

oh yeah..honestly..I've just about given up on the 616 universe. I dropped FNSM of my list yesterday, and picked up Spider-girl instead. I am just about to give up on 616 completly, and stick to Spidey loves MJ, USM, and other non-mainstream titles. The spider-marriage is one of the best things about ASM, and from Joe's diatribes, MJ is a goner. I'm am the point where I don't care anymore.

 

[Arach Knight]

Joe Q has said several things that are key to forming the most logical assumption.

-He hates the idea of Peter Parker being married
-Spidey returns to the black threads, as they are indicative of his mood

We have all, already seen the tomb stone photo of him holding MJ's slab. So really, we can just connect the dots. Now if Joe Q is really just throwing us for a loop so that we will have to buy the book when he says "MJ doesn't die" and we have to find out who it is...then we can rest easy. But in all likelyhood, he is going to get rid of Mary Jane. Joe Q has pulled rank like this before. Sins Past went from being a story that would have had Peter losing his virginity to Gwen and having kids, to a story about Norman Osborn ruining yet another element of Spider-Man's life and the books in general. That was all a Joe Q idea. Put nothing past this man, when it comes to the 616 universe. This is why I just don't read Marvel anymore.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Joe Q has said several things that are key to forming the most logical assumption.

-He hates the idea of Peter Parker being married
-Spidey returns to the black threads, as they are indicative of his mood

We have all, already seen the tomb stone photo of him holding MJ's slab. So really, we can just connect the dots. Now if Joe Q is really just throwing us for a loop so that we will have to buy the book when he says "MJ doesn't die" and we have to find out who it is...then we can rest easy. But in all likelyhood, he is going to get rid of Mary Jane. Joe Q has pulled rank like this before. Sins Past went from being a story that would have had Peter losing his virginity to Gwen and having kids, to a story about Norman Osborn ruining yet another element of Spider-Man's life and the books in general. That was all a Joe Q idea. Put nothing past this man, when it comes to the 616 universe. This is why I just don't read Marvel anymore.

I believe they said that the cover of MJ's tombstone is a different project.

 

[Majik1387]

I want Joe Q away from Marvel comics. I think he really thinks all stories need death of great characters.

 

[mre]

In the long run, when everyone has forgotten about MJ, I think it will be for the best.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

oh yeah..honestly..I've just about given up on the 616 universe. I dropped FNSM of my list yesterday, and picked up Spider-girl instead. I am just about to give up on 616 completly, and stick to Spidey loves MJ, USM, and other non-mainstream titles. The spider-marriage is one of the best things about ASM, and from Joe's diatribes, MJ is a goner. I'm am the point where I don't care anymore.

And therein lies the success of Joey Q and the Bendis' MASTER PLAN. Their legacies will supplant "The Man." Yeah, ride 616 into the ground boys.
Do those clowns think they'll be as revered in their old age as Stan? Every time they go to a Con, they'll need a hip replacement 'cause somebody else knocked 'em down!

 

[3dman27]

I want Joe Q away from Marvel comics. I think he really thinks all stories need death of great characters.

i heard that

 

[OSX]

of course you did, she just said it

 

[fangrl06]

I was in the comic shop this week (unusual huh?).

My main comic dude was telling me that he has this belief (after talking to others) that MJ is going to be killed off during the Civil War as a precursor to SM donning the black duds (in mourning) and leaving Avengers, changing sides, and going back to being a loner etc.
This would be drastic and piss a hell of a lot of people off, but the stuff Joe Q has been talking about recently in interviews has sometimes hinted towards this type of thing.
Talking about how peeps like PP best as a swinging bachelor, which basically makes for more fun story telling (Not that I think it would be the right path to take).

I didn’t really think Joe Q would go that far but my comic man was explaining that he reckons Joe really does not care about character mythos and long time supporting cast, all he cares about is shock stories and sky rocketing sales. Looking at it like that (and his recent track record) I’m starting to think of this in terms of something that may actually happen.
Is anyone else concerned?

That is exactly what my comic "supplier" told me....maybe we get our comics from the same guy...but, he also said that he thinks peter might be killed off as well causing this new kid that he has in his science class to take over as the new SM...I hope they don't kill of Peter or MJ. That would ruin everything for me. I think the killing of close friends of Peter should have stopped somewhere around Gwen or Harry...But, wouldn't it be ironic if Aunt May out lived them all?

 

[Majik1387]

of course you did, she just said it

Read the sig.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

^ LOL

This happen much? t:

And I think 3d was saying "I hear that"

To which I concur. Joey Q is a freaking dillweed

 

[Screenscribe]

Joe Q really doesn't understand what he is doing with character arcs. Unfortunately, the writers just agree with him and carry on with one stupid arc after another. JMS had ONE villain idea (bad guy dressed in black to "eat" Spidey) and did about 14 versions of that charcter. Spider-Man has been a terrible book since about issue 390. I still collect for the sole reason that I have every issue thus far. It is at the point where I just flip through most of the book. I read the first few pages, realize its the same dreck and put it away. marvel doesn't car because they have my money.

Joe Q said specifically that he is going to piss off fans. Well, that is what caused Marvel to go bankrupt. Now they have the revenue from Spider-Man and X-Men films. So the comics get screwed. If you want good stories focus on the Ultimate Universe. 616 is dead.

 

[fangrl06]

oh yeah..honestly..I've just about given up on the 616 universe. I dropped FNSM of my list yesterday, and picked up Spider-girl instead. I am just about to give up on 616 completly, and stick to Spidey loves MJ, USM, and other non-mainstream titles. The spider-marriage is one of the best things about ASM, and from Joe's diatribes, MJ is a goner. I'm am the point where I don't care anymore.

Amen. I if MJ dies or if SM dies then I'm done. I'm sticking to USM, SM loves MJ, and old school ASM.

 

[Arach Knight]

Joe Q said specifically that he is going to piss off fans. Well, that is what caused Marvel to go bankrupt. Now they have the revenue from Spider-Man and X-Men films. So the comics get screwed. If you want good stories focus on the Ultimate Universe. 616 is dead.

Joe Q wasn't even Marvel's EIC at the time of Marvel's bankruptcy. It was Bob Harras. Marvel's bankruptcy happened between 1994-1997 where as Joe Q took over in the year 2000. I'm the first guy on the "Joe Q has to go" bandwagon, but don't inaccurately contribute problems to him, that he isn't responsible for. Otherwise, I share the general sentiment of this thread.

 

[fangrl06]

I hope the people at Marvel are reading this.

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

Amen. I if MJ dies or if SM dies then I'm done. I'm sticking to USM, SM loves MJ, and old school ASM.

I feel the same way, but as I care more about USM, to tell the truth, I am more worried about Ultimate MJ at the moment. Her character is a dead-ringer for 616 Gwen's before they made her innocent and helpless. I know Bendis has said all this stuff about how he loves MJ..well..he's been known to be duplicitous to hide his intentions before. ( Think what he said about Gwen. )
If it truly is a re-telling..the first love will die. ( aka MJ. ) Hopefully Bendis will forgo that part. But, I used to love ASM, but with all the obsession about Gwen, and all the bad writing of MJ's character..she just isn't the same. This may sound silly, but as a female reader, I usually root for the hero-ine, more than the hero, because I can identify with her. The same way guys root for the hero because they can understand how he is feeling and his point of view.
but I find it hard to root for 616 MJ at the moment because of what they've done to her character.

 

[fangrl06]

I feel the same way, but as I care more about USM, to tell the truth, I am more worried about Ultimate MJ at the moment. Her character is a dead-ringer for 616 Gwen's before they made her innocent and helpless. I know Bendis has said all this stuff about how he loves MJ..well..he's been known to be duplicitous to hide his intentions before. ( Think what he said about Gwen. )
If it truly is a re-telling..the first love will die. ( aka MJ. ) Hopefully Bendis will forgo that part. But, I used to love ASM, but with all the obsession about Gwen, and all the bad writing of MJ's character..she just isn't the same. This may sound silly, but as a female reader, I usually root for the hero-ine, more than the hero, because I can identify with her. The same way guys root for the hero because they can understand how he is feeling and his point of view.
but I find it hard to root for 616 MJ at the moment because of what they've done to her character.

I agree. I love how they showed MJ grow and change, but I would like to see that she still has a bit of the care-free party girl in her. It just seems like it's not the same character. I really hope Bendis doesn't kill off MJ, and I don't think he will, because he already killed off Gwen. Anyway, I (as a female reader) also like to root for the heroine. That is why I am such a big MJ fan.

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

I know..Bendis seems dedicated to following his own new path,and good for him. I've read some places, that Gwen's death was entirely a case of bad writing. Gerry Conway was young, and didn't like the character, and decided to go for the shock ending. Bendis is by no means a bad writer, so hopefully he won't follow this event, even though it is a classic, and an irreplaceable piece of the Spider-man history. USM MJ is my favorite character though, and her absence would be irredeemable. It's like they took the best parts of MJ and Gwen, put em together, and came up with a kick-butt character.
Back to 616 MJ, honestly..the MJ we all liked ceased to exist years ago. Ironically, it seems that what took Gwen down will get MJ too. bad writing.

 

[fangrl06]

I know..Bendis seems dedicated to following his own new path,and good for him. I've read some places, that Gwen's death was entirely a case of bad writing. Gerry Conway was young, and didn't like the character, and decided to go for the shock ending. Bendis is by no means a bad writer, so hopefully he won't follow this event, even though it is a classic, and an irreplaceable piece of the Spider-man history. USM MJ is my favorite character though, and her absence would be irredeemable. It's like they took the best parts of MJ and Gwen, put em together, and came up with a kick-butt character.
Back to 616 MJ, honestly..the MJ we all liked ceased to exist years ago. Ironically, it seems that what took Gwen down will get MJ too. bad writing.

I thought that the writing in issue 121 was the best I've read in a long time. I love that Peter thought he saved Gwen at first. It just breaks your heart. I also loved the scene with MJ after Gwen's death. I think people are jumping to some conclusions saying that MJ is die. It looks like she might, but you never know. I don't think any writer in their right mind could kill off MJ. A lot of people would stop reading the comics.

 

[Arach Knight]

If all of the bad things that have happened to Spider-Man comics in the past, have yet to phase Marvel readers, then nothing really will. As much as bad writing (JMS) and bad editorical choices (Joe Q) can get under my skin, the real enemy here are Marvel fans themselves. Rather than quickly responding by dropping titles when things get bad, they mostly seem to idle by and just complain on a message board, while they go back for more punishment. It gives Marvel the feeling that they can get away with publishing these stories, without major fan reprocussions. Otherwise, they wouldn't repeat this same sad cycle over and over again. Killing MJ wouldn't be the end of the books readership. It would just spurn more forum debate on "MJ needed to go, she was holding Spidey back" or "Killing MJ doesn't fit continuity." Trust me, at this point, Marvel can pretty much get away with anything they want to, which is why I dont' even waste my time buying their books at the moment.

 

[fangrl06]

If all of the bad things that have happened to Spider-Man comics in the past, have yet to phase Marvel readers, then nothing really will. As much as bad writing (JMS) and bad editorical choices (Joe Q) can get under my skin, the real enemy here are Marvel fans themselves. Rather than quickly responding by dropping titles when things get bad, they mostly seem to idle by and just complain on a message board, while they go back for more punishment. It gives Marvel the feeling that they can get away with publishing these stories, without major fan reprocussions. Otherwise, they wouldn't repeat this same sad cycle over and over again. Killing MJ wouldn't be the end of the books readership. It would just spurn more forum debate on "MJ needed to go, she was holding Spidey back" or "Killing MJ doesn't fit continuity." Trust me, at this point, Marvel can pretty much get away with anything they want to, which is why I dont' even waste my time buying their books at the moment.

double post

 

[fangrl06]

If all of the bad things that have happened to Spider-Man comics in the past, have yet to phase Marvel readers, then nothing really will. As much as bad writing (JMS) and bad editorical choices (Joe Q) can get under my skin, the real enemy here are Marvel fans themselves. Rather than quickly responding by dropping titles when things get bad, they mostly seem to idle by and just complain on a message board, while they go back for more punishment. It gives Marvel the feeling that they can get away with publishing these stories, without major fan reprocussions. Otherwise, they wouldn't repeat this same sad cycle over and over again. Killing MJ wouldn't be the end of the books readership. It would just spurn more forum debate on "MJ needed to go, she was holding Spidey back" or "Killing MJ doesn't fit continuity." Trust me, at this point, Marvel can pretty much get away with anything they want to, which is why I dont' even waste my time buying their books at the moment.

Trust me, if they kill of MJ I'm dropping SM for a while. If they don't, then I'll stick around until things get better. Maybe for now the fans can stick to USM and other SM titles worth while. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will drop the series if they kill off MJ, but lets just wait and see what happens.

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

You are not the only one...It's been all talk here too..but I WILL drop ASM and the mainstream titles I am hanging on too, if MJ dies.

 

[OSX]

Read the sig.

Maybe you shouldnt call yourself MAJIK and have a girl in your sig, an unattractive one