The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - Part 14

[Gamma Goliath]

Just wait for the acquisition announcement

 

[Rorschach2012]

I don't think we have anything to worry about regarding Constantin

 

[Big Bang]

After reading a few other message boards in regards to Constantin's rights...I am now starting to get a sick feeling in my stomach...what if the F4 rights aren't really part of this? What if now we have to contend with Constantin Films who I guess are the rights owners? I get they are a low budget German company but could they really take the rights and make a deal with someone else? I mean I still can't believe Doom, Galactus, Surfer, and the 4 are possibly still trapped in rights hell? Maybe I am freaking out for no reason, but somebody help me out here to calm me down lol

No. They signed some sort of deal with Fox that intertwined the rights with them somehow. Disney will inherit that. The rights aren't going anywhere.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I get they are a low budget German company but could they really take the rights and make a deal with someone else?

No.

What evidence are these other message boards offering to indicate Constantin gets anything more than a vestigal producer credit?

If Constantin has a say, why didn’t they partner with Marvel in 2010 instead of sticking with clueless Fox?

What real stake do these other message boards think Constantin has in this? Fox lost over $70 million on Fant4stic. How much did Constantin lose? How much did Constantin make? Why is Fox risking that kind of money for rights they don’t even control?

There’s absolutely no sense or logic behind the idea that Constantin controls the rights.

 

[ADollarADay]

No. They signed some sort of deal with Fox that intertwined the rights with them somehow. Disney will inherit that. The rights aren't going anywhere.

I think at worst you'll have to wait until 2022-23 to get FF as Disney/Marvel waits until the right expires and Constantin loses whatever rights they have left. I don't think it even comes to that though.

 

[Raiden]

I think at worst you'll have to wait until 2022-23 to get FF as Disney/Marvel waits until the right expires and Constantin loses whatever rights they have left. I don't think it even comes to that though.

I'm willing to wait if it means that we will finally get a FF movie that does the First Family justice.

 

[InCali]

I don't think we have anything to worry about regarding Constantin

You mean you don't think Disney is going to be blindsided in this deal by any rights Constantine has?

Surely you jest....

 

[DyfeddRex]

You mean you don't think Disney is going to be blindsided in this deal by any rights Constantine has?

Surely you jest....

No, some of us think this got dealt with earlier, during that move to have it sold or disbanded. The Mouse, and Fiege especially, would not have missed that trick.

 

[Boom]

The Black Panther premiere is about to be even more exciting.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Remember who owns this one.....

https://nypost.com/2017/12/11/disney-close-to-landing-mega-deal-for-fox-franchises/

They are mentioning board votes....

Get that bottle on the ice!

 

[DyfeddRex]

And somebody alert the ambulance crew closest to Willie, he might do a Fred Sanford.

 

[wobbly]

Regarding Constantin possibly posing a problem, unlikely.

Thing is when they went to Fox after realising they couldn't handle making any FF film post Corman fiasco they had to get Marvels participation on the terms for the new deal and consent to 'partner' up with Fox. Handing off all financing, production, and release of Marvels IP to another company entirely wasn't something they could just up and do without Marvel being on board with it all.

What's become abundantly evident since is that the only people Marvel has dealt with since concerning the FF rights is Fox: When the deadline for Fox to make an FF film was due to run out it was Fox who got an extension in 1999. See more on that here: http://variety.com/1999/film/news/marvel-fox-pact-for-pix-1117491127/

Zero mention and zero sh#ts given about Constantin.

And later when the Silver Surfer, who was never owned at any time by Constantin, was joined up with the FF package, they were not in on that loop at all. They are very much a silent partner in all this, if they can even be called that.

Bottom line, while Constantin got to keep a co producer credit and apparently distribution claims in Germany & Austria with their deal, that's it as far as their 'ownership' goes. All effective ownership and actions as such concerning the movie rights have been with Fox since they made that deal back in 94.

As Willie already noted: If Constantin had any power in this they would have used it before FFINO got greenlit, and gone begging Feige to cut them in on the MCU action then. But Fox's hold in that deal is airtight. All the perpetual deadlines Constantin were in possession of have been with Fox since 1994.

Which is why they are sh#t out of luck if this deal goes through. Constantin will have only 2 options. Pray that Disney, who would then be the owners of the deal they made with Fox (it would still be valid, which the click-bait sites are ignoring), cuts them a nice 'goodbye and ###k off' check, or they get absolutely nothing when Disney just wait for the deadline to go by.

I cant see any way Constantin can do bugger all about it.

 

[Surfer]

Regarding Constantin possibly posing a problem, unlikely.

Thing is when they went to Fox after realising they couldn't handle making any FF film post Corman fiasco they had to get Marvels participation on the terms for the new deal and consent to 'partner' up with Fox. Handing off all financing, production, and release of Marvels IP to another company entirely wasn't something they could just up and do without Marvel being on board with it all.

What's become abundantly evident since is that the only people Marvel has dealt with since concerning the FF rights is Fox: When the deadline for Fox to make an FF film was due to run out it was Fox who got an extension in 1999. See more on that here: http://variety.com/1999/film/news/marvel-fox-pact-for-pix-1117491127/

Zero mention and zero sh#ts given about Constantin.

And later when the Silver Surfer, who was never owned at any time by Constantin, was joined up with the FF package, they were not in on that loop at all. They are very much a silent partner in all this, if they can even be called that.

Bottom line, while Constantin got to keep a co producer credit and apparently distribution claims in Germany & Austria with their deal, that's it as far as their 'ownership' goes. All effective ownership and actions as such concerning the movie rights have been with Fox since they made that deal back in 94.

As Willie already noted: If Constantin had any power in this they would have used it before FFINO got greenlit, and gone begging Feige to cut them in on the MCU action then. But Fox's hold in that deal is airtight. All the perpetual deadlines Constantin were in possession of have been with Fox since 1994.

Which is why they are sh#t out of luck if this deal goes through. Constantin will have only 2 options. Pray that Disney, who would then be the owners of the deal they made with Fox (it would still be valid, which the click-bait sites are ignoring), cuts them a nice 'goodbye and ###k off' check, or they get absolutely nothing when Disney just wait for the deadline to go by.

I cant see any way Constantin can do bugger all about it.

Yeah, I agree constantin is nothing to worry about. Another example would be when Marvel went to Fox to ask to use Ego in Guardian's of the Galaxy 2. Marvel didn't go to Constantin to see if it was okay, they went to Fox. Fox has full control over the Fantastic Four properties, and if Marvel buys Fox then they will have full control over the Fantastic Four properties.

Surfer

 

[InCali]

No, some of us think this got dealt with earlier, during that move to have it sold or disbanded. The Mouse, and Fiege especially, would not have missed that trick.

Yeah. That was my point.

And somebody alert the ambulance crew closest to Willie, he might do a Fred Sanford.

He's coming Elizabeth.....this is the big one....

 

[ADollarADay]

Does anyone think that if a company that makes 200MM in revenue per year, i.e. Constantin, still owned the rights to FF that a company that makes ~15B in operating profit, i.e. Disney wouldn't have bought those rights way back when they bought those rights from Paramount? 200MM is average profit that an MCU film makes and they wouldn't have to pay that much.

Like I said, worst case scenario is a case where Disney/Marvel waits until after August 2021 to start production because the rights would 100% revert then. They would still probably be able to use FF characters on other movies. That would be the smart way to do it anyways, DOJ won't clear this until end of 2018, FF still has stench associated with it, and it just makes sense to wait it out anyways. Bonus point for saving money by not paying Constantin. Give me a certain surfer appearing in GoTG3 or a certain Torch in Spiderman HC2 or something like that to wet my appetite until then.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Give me Ben Grimm teaching Danvers to fly a bird.

Give me Reed lecturing a young Tony Stark on not being reckless with inventions.

Give me that Cap/Torch Bro Road Trip movie.

Give me a strong, confident, and very sharp Sue Storm.

But most of all...

Bring it Home, Mr. Fiege. Bring THEM home.

 

[InCali]

Give me Ben Grimm teaching Danvers to fly a bird.

Give me Reed lecturing a young Tony Stark on not being reckless with inventions.

Give me that Cap/Torch Bro Road Trip movie.

Give me a strong, confident, and very sharp Sue Storm.

But most of all...

Bring it Home, Mr. Fiege. Bring THEM home.

While I liked Thor:Ragnarok, this would be right up Taika's alley and more true to the characters.

Bet you weren't thinking about that.... Though I'd go Spidey/Torch.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

What if... They thread the FF characters through other films and then in the actual FF film that's when they get their powers? Anyone opposed to that?

 

[Dasher10]

Constantin would still work with Disney. The real issue is if Disney would work with Constantin and split the profits. The FF may remain on the backburner since Marvel won't get 100% of the box office revenue and they aren't as popular as Spider-Man.

 

[TheVileOne]

Constantin would still work with Disney. The real issue is if Disney would work with Constantin and split the profits. The FF may remain on the backburner since Marvel won't get 100% of the box office revenue and they aren't as popular as Spider-Man.

Considering the Spider-Man deal...the answer is yes. And they let Sony keep ALL the profits from the film. They simply profit from merchandise and other Spidey movie appearances instead.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

And somebody alert the ambulance crew closest to Willie, he might do a Fred Sanford.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/1994-fantastic-four-franchises-invisible-814310

"I went to lunch with Bernd, who told me he'd sold both the film and the rights to Fox, who was going to make a $60 million version and they didn't want this low-budget movie around," recalls Corman.

 

[Dasher10]

Considering the Spider-Man deal...the answer is yes. And they let Sony keep ALL the profits from the film. They simply profit from merchandise and other Spidey movie appearances instead.

You're forgetting about Hulk and Universal. It's been nine years without a sequel and Universal still won't let go of the rights.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

What if... They thread the FF characters through other films and then in the actual FF film that's when they get their powers? Anyone opposed to that?

I like the way you guys think.

That would be different. Establish the characters of Reed, Sue, Ben, and Johnny in other movies and then it would have a bigger impact when they get their powers. What a unique way to do it!

 

[First Avenger]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/1994-fantastic-four-franchises-invisible-814310

I mean, Marvel Studios got Ego directly from Fox. Kevin said part of the Skrulls are at Fox.