The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 22

[Chip Chipperson]

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Yes, soon the FoX-Men and FFINO’ers shall be deleted

 

[Flint Marko]

If the Venom flick is successful there's a reasonable chance Sony will threaten to pull Spidey to appear in that universe. Feige may look at all the new characters he has available and wish them good luck.

That'd be so absurd and sadly you're probably right.

It'd be the smart move for Sony to stay in line and let Marvel rake them in billions, but we all know Sony isn't known for usually making the smart move.

 

[Fallen]

The MCU shows flawed or hindered by Ike's pennypincching are still leaps and bounds above DC shows. Marvel truly dominates live-action in both fronts.

And Marvel Animation is hit or miss, haha.

Imagine Pixar doing Marvel animation.

 

[Big Bang]

So Disney buys out Fox to better compete with FAANG. Seeing how the market is going today, I think you can get the F out.

 

[MasterCat]

And Marvel Animation is hit or miss, haha.

Imagine Pixar doing Marvel animation.

Jeph Loeb is single-handedly responsible for making Marvel animation bad.
If Iger uses Loeb insisting they'll continue making Netflix shows for release after mid-2019 as cause to fire him, it'll be glorious.

 

[MasterCat]

so disney buys out fox to better compete with faang. Seeing how the market is going today, i think you can get the f out.

Well, DAANG?

 

[Marvel united]

That'd be so absurd and sadly you're probably right.

It'd be the smart move for Sony to stay in line and let Marvel rake them in billions, but we all know Sony isn't known for usually making the smart move.

So what would be the best thing to happen to Venom? I think it bombing would be good for the future of the MCU

 

[BaronZemo]

Sony wont pull Spider-man. Why is it that for every one good thing happening to you you have to infect it with negativity?

What exactly are they gonna do? Order Marvel to kill Holland's Spider-man? Good luck trying to sell audiences ANOTHER REBOOT OUTSIDE THE MCU.

I don;t know if some of you noticed fans have been asking for Spider-man to appear in his natural enviroment for years. Sony taking that away isn't gonna go very well for them.

 

[Detective Conan]

So what would be the best thing to happen to Venom

This question isn't directed at me but I'll answer anyway: the best thing would be that it bombs and it seriously discourages Sony from proceeding with their Spider-Man-less Cinematic Universe which will lessen the likelihood of Sony feeling confident enough to handle Spider-Man without Marvel's involvement.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Honestly, I am not hoping for Venom's failure. At the end of the day I would like it to be good and I want to see Carnage. I do hope Far From Home makes enough though to where Sony can't help but agree to a new contract, and who knows...if Venom is good, maybe we see Brock vs Parker down the road (or a team-up). We'll just have to see how it plays out, but I am not actively rooting against the Venom movie. I'll be there opening night, hoping for the best.

 

[BaronZemo]

Inhumans say hi.

They say hi about what? What the hell is your point here? The majority of the MCU shows are widely regarded better than the majority of the DC shows. Go to every poll or online forum and the contenders for best superhero tv shows ARE ALL MARVEL SHOWS. Either Legion or Punisher or AOS or Daredevil.

 

[Endeavor]

This question isn't directed at me but I'll answer anyway: the best thing would be that it bombs and it seriously discourages Sony from proceeding with their Spider-Man-less Cinematic Universe which will lessen the likelihood of Sony feeling confident enough to handle Spider-Man without Marvel'a involvement.

Bingo

 

[Fallen]

'Venom' Director Has Plans for Sequels.

https://***********/ComicBookNOW/status/1022244219593875456

I'm calling the police rn.

 

[Detective Conan]

Sony wont pull Spider-man. Why is it that for every one good thing happening to you you have to infect it with negativity?

You don't know that for sure, though. Sony having a successful cinematic universe competing with Marvel would certainly be a strong motivator to pull Spider-Man away from the MCU so they could feature him in crossovers with the Sony Marvel characters getting films. A Spider-Man versus Venom film alone could easily rake in a lot of dough and likely might be more profitable than any of Spider-Man's MCU efforts so far, imo.

What exactly are they gonna do? Order Marvel to kill Holland's Spider-man? Good luck trying to sell audiences ANOTHER REBOOT OUTSIDE THE MCU.

They don't have to do anything. They can easily just leave the character where's he at with Far From Home and have that be the last film in the MCU & just reboot him again in Sony's Marvel Cinematic Universe.

I don;t know if some of you noticed fans have been asking for Spider-man to appear in his natural enviroment for years. Sony taking that away isn't gonna go very well for them.

I sort of agree here, but I caution you that it's all strongly contingent on how Venom & Far From Home do. If Far From Home's box office intake is significantly bigger than the previous Spider-Man films under the MCU than even if Sony tries again after the potential failure of Venom then they will likely be compelled to renew their contract with Marvel/Disney for a long time to come.

 

[ADollarADay]

We'll see. If the exclusivity expires, it won't happen for a few years yet likely.

It will undoubtedly take a few years, yes.

My preference would be keep their solo outings as shows, and maybe allow them to be in the occasional MCU film when it makes sense. I don't want to see a Daredevil movie at this point. But I am perfectly happy if Matt Murdock ends up as somebodies lawyer in a future movie or something (and definitely my preference is the TV actors get to be in the movie as well). I am also okay if they want to try what Defenders wanted to be in a Hulu exclusive movie or something. Unless they want to go big and make that a theatrical movie, but Hulu may make more sense as to not confuse the audience.

I'm not opposed to lower budgeted movies to just come out on streaming. That will wet our appetites. I also want to see them on the big screen, so maybe on some cross overs.

On the other side, besides continuing with shows with more obscure characters, I would want to see some smaller stories from the established MCU characters. A 6 episode Spider-man Origins or Hulk origins would be great since those got skipped in the movies and are never happening. Even Black Widow or Hawkeye Budapest would be pleasing to me. Considering the budget for shows can go up to 10MM per episode depending on what it, it could be easily doable.

I'm curious what will happen with Spider-Man after they release the Graduation film in Summer 2021. How long of a new contract would Sony sign with Disney and Tom Holland, and where would Disney use him? Just Avengers 5 & 6?

Marvel's toy box is about to get significantly bigger. Tom Rothman is greedy and Sony will either a) want to get back to prominence or b) Sell their assets. It depends on what the 2015 contract entailed, how much Marvel/Disney really want SM movie rights, how much Sony really values those rights and if they are willing to take fair market value for them, and what they want to do with SPE.

I also don't think Sony will be able to use Holland without Marvel's approval so they'd have to recast SM yet again.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I'm calling the police rn.

Lmao.

Pride comes before the fall. Don't worry. You just can't have a Spidey-less Venom movie. I'm sorry kids.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Lmao.

Pride comes before the fall. Don't worry. You just can't have a Spidey-less Venom movie. I'm sorry kids.

I don't see why not. We have had Spider-Man less Venom comics in the past.

 

[ADollarADay]

Venom is gonna do well. I'm still debating whether it'll do better or worse than Antman domestic and WW, but it'll do well enough.

 

[BaronZemo]

You don't know that for sure, though. Sony having a successful cinematic universe competing with Marvel would certainly be a strong motivator to pull Spider-Man away from the MCU so they could feature him in crossovers with the Sony Marvel characters getting films. A Spider-Man versus Venom film alone could easily rake in a lot of dough and likely might be more profitable than any of Spider-Man's MCU efforts so far, imo.
They don't have to do anything. They can easily just leave the character where's he at with Far From Home and have that be the last film in the MCU & just reboot him again in Sony's Marvel Cinematic Universe.
I sort of agree here, but I caution you that it's all strongly contingent on how Venom & Far From Home do. If Far From Home's box office intake is significantly bigger than the previous Spider-Man films under the MCU than even if Sony tries again after the potential failure of Venom then they will likely be compelled to renew their contract with Marvel/Disney for a long time to come.

I do know for sure people won't tolerate Spider-man outside the MCU. That era has passed. The era of standalone universes has passed.The backlash will be so huge, Fan4stic level huge. You don't send someone to Disneyland after 20 years and the last minute you revoke his ticket.

 

[MasterCat]

They don't have to do anything. They can easily just leave the character where's he at with Far From Home and have that be the last film in the MCU & just reboot him again in Sony's Marvel Cinematic Universe.

... what? They have a contract to produce one more Sony film after Far From Home, with a Marvel guest star (1 = Iron Man, 2 = Nick Fury, 3 = ???). They could always just re-hire the actors and shoot Spidey in college films at their own studio if they don't like the Marvel contract when it expires.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Venom is gonna do well. I'm still debating whether it'll do better or worse than Antman domestic and WW, but it'll do well enough.

I think Sony will be happy if they're even in Ant-Man's ballpark (even if it goes slightly under it). Which is a benchmark I think Venom can make. It doesn't have to match/beat Homecoming to be successful.

 

[Marvel united]

How cool would it have been to have Spider-Man get the Symbiote in Infinity War and then lead into his own film with the suit corrupting his mind, fighting Mysterio and shedding the suit in the climax setting up Venom as the main villain in Spider-Man 3. Only this time, it's an adaptation of Web of Shadows (in keeping with Marvel going big with the 3rd film in the trilogy) which centers around the Symbiote taking over New York City:

All of that potential WASTED because of a Venom solo that nobody wanted or asked for.

 

[Big Bang]

I do know for sure people won't tolerate Spider-man outside the MCU. That era has passed. The era of standalone universes has passed.The backlash will be so huge, Fan4stic level huge. You don't send someone to Disneyland after 20 years and the last minute you revoke his ticket.

I think this shouldn't be underestimated. The general audience has seen him interact with the larger Marvel universe. The Rubicon has been crossed. Pulling him back would make him look diminished.

 

[ADollarADay]

Disney, Fox file for deal approval in Brazil
Jul. 26, 2018 2:26 PM ET|By: Jason Aycock, SA News Editor
A day ahead of their key shareholder vote on a $71B asset deal, Walt Disney and Twenty-First Century Fox have filed for approval from Brazilian regulators. The companies filed a control acquisition deal with antitrust regulator Cade, Bloomberg notes.

Brazil approval should be a breeze, I think.

 

[Dark Raven]

Venom is gonna do well. I'm still debating whether it'll do better or worse than Antman domestic and WW, but it'll do well enough.

Why will Venom do better than Wonder Woman? Her movie was huge last time.