The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Gamma Goliath]

Change the name to midnight souls, and swap punisher, Damian, and hannibal out for say Wanda, Jennifer, and blades daughter and that's a move.

 

[Abudefduf]

Who's Jennifer? What about Elsa Bloodstone, I'm pretty sure she's a member of the team in the comics.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Jennifer kale, bloodstone could work too.

 

[Abudefduf]

Oh, that Jennifer. I don't know much about her.

 

[Zarex]

This has more to do with Sony wanting to double down on games and nothing to do with SPE. Sony itself was never a rumor for sale, SPE was.

A bit off topic, but this bodes with what I've been thinking for a couple of years. What we are seeing now is just the transformation that is taking place. Traditional game and movie companies should be very concerned if FAANG (plus Microsoft) are serious about gaming (streaming and dedicated), streaming video, and live sports. Traditional companies need to consolidate - and consolidate fast - or be acquired themselves.

There's a reason Iger and Murdoch talked in depth about scale and ability to compete.

A quick look will tell us the situation:

For streaming video we have:
Amazon = Amazon prime, LOTR series coming soon
Apple = Announcement on the 25th
Facebook = like youtube, ready to go at anytime. Rumored to be looking into it.
Google = Youtube red, which they haven't kicked into high gear, but if anyone can kick premium streaming video into high gear quick is Youtube. They would need to invest in content and it's a wrap
Microsoft = nothing.....yet. Azure gets them ready at a moment's notice
Netflix = worldwide leader

For games/streaming games
Amazon = Amazon studio, not serious about gaming yet. No streaming gaming plans announced so far. Ready at a moment's notice with AWS
Apple = app store is tremendous for mobile gaming, but not serious about gaming yet.
Facebook = games used to be bigger on this platform. Unknown plans. Big VR plans a couple of years ago.
Google = Announcement on the 19th. Plans for streaming and dedicated
Microsoft = Xbox, one of the three dedicated console. Big plans for streaming. Purchased some very good game developers very recently
Netflix = Nothing yet, but rumored to have considered it. Given the competition coming for streaming video, they need to diversify

For live sports
Amazon = Bezos is looking. They even hired an ESPN veteran last year. Minority buyers of YES (which is being sold by Disney)
Apple = Nothing yet.
Facebook = Nothing yet, but a lot of smaller sports already stream on it. Rumored to have been interested in NFL rights
Google = Nothing yet, but a lot of smaller sports already stream on it that I sometimes watch. UFC weigh ins get about 65K+ viewers. Oftentimes a lot more. Rumored to have been interested in NFL rights
Microsoft = Nothing yet
Netflix = Nothing yet, but rumored to have considered it. Given the competition coming for streaming video, they need to diversify

Biggest acquisitions
Amazon = Whole Foods (14B), Ring(1.5B), Zappos (1.2B), Twitch (1B)
Apple = Beats(4B)
Facebook = WhatsApp(19B), Oculus Rift (2B), Instagram(1B)
Google = Motorola (~12.5B), Nest (3.2B), Doubleclick (3.1B), Youtube(1.65B), Waze(1B)
Microsoft = LinkedIn(26B), Skype (8.5B), Github(7.5B), Mojang(2.5B)
Netflix = N/A

Let's take a look at market cap, revenue, and net profit of some major players in both industries and the above.

Japanese numbers are approximate due to JPY to USD conversion.

These tech giants absolutely dwarf the traditional companies. Netflix is the lone exception of the FAANGs, but their growth has been astounding and it'll continue to climb. If they are serious about it, they can purchase developers, publishers, movie companies without a problem. The writing is 200% on the wall. It's one of the reasons I'm confused why Iger said no to Disney publishing and developing games at the most recent financial call.

It is why I laughed when purists said Disney buying Fox (and before that Lucas, Marvel, Pixar) was selling out and whatnot. In my opinion Disney should be looking seriously at some of these game companies with attractive IPs after they balance their sheets.

Continuing to license video games makes sense. The Mouse has a rough track record in publishing and it makes much more sense to pump cash into areas where they already have a market advantage then expand into a hyper competitive area.

 

[Xeno]

That screams The Defenders to me. The real Defenders, from the comics. Marvel already has the Hulk and Valkyrie and will get Silver Surfer back next week, so the roster is set. There is no better time to start setting up one of the greatest (non)groups in history.

 

[ADollarADay]

Continuing to license video games makes sense. The Mouse has a rough track record in publishing and it makes much more sense to pump cash into areas where they already have a market advantage then expand into a hyper competitive area.

For the short term I agree, for the mid/long term I vehemently disagree. Disney has always half assed its efforts in the video game industry.

Disney also has a rough track record publishing and making hard PG 13 and R rated movies, both of which Iger admitted they didn't do right hence why they got out of it and the Fox acquisition allows them to go into it and making it the right way.

 

[TheVileOne]

For the short term I agree, for the mid/long term I vehemently disagree. Disney has always half assed its efforts in the video game industry.

Disney also has a rough track record publishing and making hard PG 13 and R rated movies, both of which Iger admitted they didn't do right hence why they got out of it and the Fox acquisition allows them to go into it and making it the right way.

LucasArts didnt half-ass things, and they shuttered the company.

 

[ADollarADay]

LucasArts didnt half-ass things, and they shuttered the company.

Thanks for strengthening my argument.

 

[TheVileOne]

My point is, they shouldn't have shuttered LucasArts, especially in light of what's happening with EA and Star Wars right now.

 

[Art Freak]

Marvel's 'Shang-Chi' Sets Director Destin Daniel Cretton

Brie Larson appearance as Carol confirmed.

 

[MbJ]

If Sony is really planning on Spider-Man TV shows, would they need Marvel's involvement. Sony no longer has any TV rights to Spider-Man.

If any of the shows are animated, I hope not. Spectacular Spider-Man is still better than any cartoon Marvel's done in-house by a country mile.

 

[Web-Head]

Hope it'd be more than a cameo in Strange
Namor Expected To Cameo In Black Panther 2 Or Doctor Strange 2

 

[Art Freak]

Luke Evans for Namor. Plays a great pompous prick.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Namor is the perfect opportunity to cast an Asian. Hope Marvel doesn't sleep on this.

 

[Web-Head]

Luke Evans for Namor. Plays a great pompous prick.

I wouldn't be against Evans, but I'm hoping they cast an Asian Namor

 

[ADollarADay]

My point is, they shouldn't have shuttered LucasArts, especially in light of what's happening with EA and Star Wars right now.

I agree. LA should have actually been built up as opposed to shut down and just being a licensing division with 10 people in it. It should be a major gaming house with 500+ resources a la Naughty Dog and Rockstar.

If any of the shows are animated, I hope not. Spectacular Spider-Man is still better than any cartoon Marvel's done in-house by a country mile.

Hate to break it to you, but short term animation reverted to Marvel in 2009. Sony cannot produce short term television shows (i.e. 30 mins shows or whatever) without Disney's approval. If the tv show is over a certain length, then Sony can make them without a problem.

 

[Web-Head]

Namor is the perfect opportunity to cast an Asian. Hope Marvel doesn't sleep on this.

Agreed!

 

[Marvel united]

Yeah, Ian Anthony Dale is my pick for Namor

 

[Art Freak]

Yeah, good point. An Asian should be cast.

 

[MbJ]

Hate to break it to you, but short term animation reverted to Marvel in 2009. Sony cannot produce short term television shows (i.e. 30 mins shows or whatever) without Disney's approval. If the tv show is over a certain length, then Sony can make them without a problem.

That sucks (as do most of Marvel's current animated shows).

 

[Web-Head]

Yeah, Ian Anthony Dale is my pick for Namor

I'd be cool with that

 

[Dark Raven]

That screams The Defenders to me. The real Defenders, from the comics. Marvel already has the Hulk and Valkyrie and will get Silver Surfer back next week, so the roster is set. There is no better time to start setting up one of the greatest (non)groups in history.

They do need the real Defenders in the MCU. They have some powerful foes too. No-one the Netflix Defenders could ever handle.

But they're not really a non-team quite in the way they were supposed to be initially. They were only meant to ever come together in times of crisis, otherwise they went their separate ways. But that's actually a bit like the MCU Avengers when they started. They just did their own thing and didn't all live in a mansion together.

 

[TheVileOne]

They do need the real Defenders in the MCU. They have some powerful foes too. No-one the Netflix Defenders could ever handle.

But they're not really a non-team quite in the way they were supposed to be initially. They were only meant to ever come together in times of crisis, otherwise they went their separate ways. But that's actually a bit like the MCU Avengers when they started. They just did their own thing and didn't all live in a mansion together.

I mean the team in Thor: Ragnarok was basically the Defenders, but Thor joked and called them Revengers instead because he couldn't think of anything.

 

[Dark Raven]

I mean the team in Thor: Ragnarok was basically the Defenders, but Thor joked and called them Revengers instead because he couldn't think of anything.

Revengers sounds more like a joke on Avengers than Defenders. And it was only Valkyrie with Hulk and Thor, and Hulk and Thor are in the Avengers.