The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Gamma Goliath]

Because even after fixing a timeline they still found a way to screw it up lol

 

[Raiden]

I found the DP trailer to be a giant Meh. The fact that Fox did the same story again makes it not worth watching, even if it's better than X3.

 

[Detective Conan]

Something to add: I completely forgot this movie is set in the 90s. It didn't have a scene that sets that up, like what Captain Marvel did with Blockbuster. To that I ask why this movie is set in the 90s? Why not just set it in the 80s again so I don't question why no one has aged in a decade.

I honestly forgot that this is a period piece film. It felt almost like it was set in present day to me. The period piece thing worked fine for First Class since it was a novel concept at the time to do a superhero film period piece(yes, I’m aware Captain America: First Avenger is the first superhero period piece) and I felt First Class and even DOFP to an extent made clever use of the time period they were set in but at this point there’s really no point for these movies to be period pieces other than a lame gimmick that really doesn’t inform the storytelling at all.

 

[Tymminator]

That trailer matched pretty much all rumored reports of what they say will happen thus far.

 

[Detective Conan]

Well...it doesn’t look horrible. And that’s about the niciest thing I can say about this “film” at the moment.

 

[Lilbaz]

Just going back to Venom success vs failure. wouldnt it be better if it was a success then sony would feel confident moving forward without spiderman?

Posted this in the venom thread but will copy it here:

Been thinking of the whole venom conundrum and how it all fits with the mcu. Can sony have a spideyverse without spidey? Would marvel let spidey appear both in the mcu and sony films they have no control over? Will sony take back spidey after far from home? If they don't then spidey in the mcu will run out of enemies and allies as they appear in their spiderverse.

I've come up with an answer and it has been staring us in the face. Miles morales. Welcome to the spiderverse is coming out december. It is animation but what if it was canon for the universe that venom, kraven etc... are in? Morales could appear or be mentioned in venom. That would mean that peter parker could stay in the mcu and sony's universe could have their own spiderman. The mcu could even use their own venom, kraven, black cat etc...

Thoughts?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I found the DP trailer to be a giant Meh. The fact that Fox did the same story again makes it not worth watching, even if it's better than X3.

It was all so painfully familiar. There wasn't a single thing in that trailer we haven't already seen. It's absolutely baffling that Fox chose this route. They must really think X-Men fans are idiots who will pay to see anything.

 

[Fallen]

The trailer looks like a remake of X-Men: The Last Stand.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think the trailer is a dumpster fire. But it also isn't amazing either. I think the word I am looking for is....okay

 

[Raiden]

It was all so painfully familiar. There wasn't a single thing in that trailer we haven't already seen. It's absolutely baffling that Fox chose this route. They must really think X-Men fans are idiots who will pay to see anything.

Exactly. And there are so many X-Men stories that have yet to be told; Mutant Massacre, Mister Sinister & the Marauders, X-Tinction Agenda, Genosha, Onslaught, etc., that Fox could have chosen instead of remaking X3 because TLS was a terrible movie. Plus Jean Grey appears to have a split personality again, just like in X3, instead of a cosmic entity from the comics. Why not make it more faithful to the source material if they really want to make a better DP Saga the second time?

 

[UltimatePyro9]

I don't think the trailer is a dumpster fire. But it also isn't amazing either. I think the word I am looking for is....okay

Well, if this is the last X-Men movie, just being okay is a decent way to go.

 

[Random490]

So how can Disney get back those rights now, if ever? You'd think that Marvel would want those back. Did it not even cross their minds?

Before, when the battle for who would own Fox was going on, Comcast said that they would've sold off certain assets to Disney, including part of the film division. Maybe they will still be willing to sell off things like the Universal theme park rights and Hulk and Namor. What need to they have for them?

And there's nothing about Dreamworks distribution rights at all?

Did Fox act too hastily?

It's important to keep in perspective how little movie rights matter to the people making these deals, I doubt they're even aware comcast holds those right. Specially for something like Hulk (whose already in the films) and Namor who is far more on the obscure side the priority for that in the eye of anyone outside of Marvel Entertainment is dirt low. I bet if you asked anyone involved in the deal "what about Namor?" they'd have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm surprised theme parks wasn't a part of it but as mentioned it could violate regulations, there could have been a separate closed door deal. Disney definitely could say "You'll get Sky for this amount then later relinquish these rights or we'll make sure sky goes to someone else for a cheaper price" but given all the regulation hurdles I'd doubt they'd risk it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The trailer looks like a remake of X-Men: The Last Stand.

Exactly. And there are so many X-Men stories that have yet to be told; Mutant Massacre, Mister Sinister & the Marauders, X-Tinction Agenda, Genosha, Onslaught, etc., that Fox could have chosen instead of remaking X3 because TLS was a terrible movie. Plus Jean Grey appears to have a split personality again, just like in X3, instead of a cosmic entity from the comics. Why not make it more faithful to the source material if they really want to make a better DP Saga the second time?

It's like a remake, but more (Simon Kinberg's favorite word) grounded.

It we had really seen something different, some really cool visuals etc., I might think I was wrong about Kinberg, but this looked every bit as bad as I expected.

He's going to take as many X-Men tropes as he can, shove them into a dull pointless film and hope there are enough people still out there who will see anything with "X" in the title to make back the small budget.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a wild guess at the story: In the beginning of the film, Charles and Erik will be on the outs. But in the second act, both of them will reluctantly agree that the threat is so great they need to work together. But in the third act, we will find out (gasp) Erik has his own plan.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's like a remake, but more (Simon Kinberg's favorite word) grounded.

It we had really seen something different, some really cool visuals etc., I might think I was wrong about Kinberg, but this looked every bit as bad as I expected.

He's going to take as many X-Men tropes as he can, shove them into a dull pointless film and hope there are enough people still out there who will see anything with "X" in the title to make back the small budget.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a wild guess at the story: In the beginning of the film, Charles and Erik will be on the outs. But in the second act, both of them will reluctantly agree that the threat is so great they need to work together. But in the third act, we will find out (gasp) Erik has his own plan.

Tag those spoilers Willie!!!

 

[Dark Raven]

It's like a remake, but more (Simon Kinberg's favorite word) grounded.

It we had really seen something different, some really cool visuals etc., I might think I was wrong about Kinberg, but this looked every bit as bad as I expected.

He's going to take as many X-Men tropes as he can, shove them into a dull pointless film and hope there are enough people still out there who will see anything with "X" in the title to make back the small budget.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a wild guess at the story: In the beginning of the film, Charles and Erik will be on the outs. But in the second act, both of them will reluctantly agree that the threat is so great they need to work together. But in the third act, we will find out (gasp) Erik has his own plan.

Kinberg needs to do a remake of those old Leslie Nielsen movies. It can be Airplane: Grounded.

The plane never takes off, because it's not a disaster movie. It can just be in a flight deck simulator. The actors will say "Surely you can't be serious", to which Kinberg will reply "I am serious. And don't call me Shirley grounded."

 

[Detective Conan]

That trailer looks like it confirms the leaked description that...

Spoiler

Mystique bites the dust judging from the shot of Beast holding what appears to be Raven’s presumably lifeless body.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

It's like a remake, but more (Simon Kinberg's favorite word) grounded.

It we had really seen something different, some really cool visuals etc., I might think I was wrong about Kinberg, but this looked every bit as bad as I expected.

He's going to take as many X-Men tropes as he can, shove them into a dull pointless film and hope there are enough people still out there who will see anything with "X" in the title to make back the small budget.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a wild guess at the story: In the beginning of the film, Charles and Erik will be on the outs. But in the second act, both of them will reluctantly agree that the threat is so great they need to work together. But in the third act, we will find out (gasp) Erik has his own plan.

You're missing one crucial piece -- to save the day, Beast will confess his love for Mystique, intending to sacrifice himself for the greater good, but Mystique will incapacitate him somehow to sacrifice herself - thus ensuring that Mystique goes out the hero of the entire revamped X-Men series of films.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

That trailer looks like it confirms the leaked description that...

Spoiler

Mystique bites the dust judging from the shot of Beast holding what appears to be Raven’s presumably lifeless body.

Damn... I didn't know there was leaked info.

 

[Frankeh]

It's like a remake, but more (Simon Kinberg's favorite word) grounded.

It we had really seen something different, some really cool visuals etc., I might think I was wrong about Kinberg, but this looked every bit as bad as I expected.

He's going to take as many X-Men tropes as he can, shove them into a dull pointless film and hope there are enough people still out there who will see anything with "X" in the title to make back the small budget.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a wild guess at the story: In the beginning of the film, Charles and Erik will be on the outs. But in the second act, both of them will reluctantly agree that the threat is so great they need to work together. But in the third act, we will find out (gasp) Erik has his own plan.

Agreed, it looks like a very, very watered down version of the comic story as I expected. And Kinberg patting himself in the back saying he kept the cosmic elements of the story. The minimal effort of getting the X-Men out into low Earth orbit is supposed to be groundbreaking?

Aside from a couple of good shots, the action and the visuals don't look remotely eye-grabbing, which I guess I shouldn't be surprised about because it's a first time director.

At least the Horsemen were cool-looking in the last one, the wardrobe is pretty flat in this one. Taking a page from Logan I guess?

 

[Fallen]

Guys, the Venom review embargo lifts at 3:00 a.m. on the day of release, LMAO.

 

[Fallen]

 

[Dark Raven]

You're missing one crucial piece -- to save the day, Beast will confess his love for Mystique, intending to sacrifice himself for the greater good, but Mystique will incapacitate him somehow to sacrifice herself - thus ensuring that Mystique goes out the hero of the entire revamped X-Men series of films.

Instead of Jean sacrificing herself it will be Mystique.

 

[Fallen]

 

[Smurphftw]

Guys, the Venom review embargo lifts at 3:00 a.m. on the day of release, LMAO.

Isn't that technically the day before release? Still, that's not exactly a great sign that this will be a critical darling and a fan favorite.

 

[Endeavor]

Seen the Fox Phoenix trailer just now.
I can at least say it's better than the Venom trailers. So it's got that going for it.
I do not like the implication Jean was responsible for her parents' death, which seems like is one of the changes they're going for...
I still would prefer it got released straight to streaming.