The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Chip Chipperson]

LOL

sony bracing for impact, all you can do is laugh

 

[Fallen]

Isn't that technically the day before release? Still, that's not exactly a great sign that this will be a critical darling and a fan favorite.

The movie will be released in the UK, Germany, etc., on October 3rd.

 

[ADollarADay]

It's important to keep in perspective how little movie rights matter to the people making these deals, I doubt they're even aware comcast holds those right. Specially for something like Hulk (whose already in the films) and Namor who is far more on the obscure side the priority for that in the eye of anyone outside of Marvel Entertainment is dirt low. I bet if you asked anyone involved in the deal "what about Namor?" they'd have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm surprised theme parks wasn't a part of it but as mentioned it could violate regulations, there could have been a separate closed door deal. Disney definitely could say "You'll get Sky for this amount then later relinquish these rights or we'll make sure sky goes to someone else for a cheaper price" but given all the regulation hurdles I'd doubt they'd risk it.

They undoubtedly, unequivocally know they don't have those rights and Comcast holds them.

There was no deal. Roberts and Iger did not sit down and talk. Disney just took the money. If they want Hulu 30% and Marvel rights they'll sit down and the leverage Iger will use is cash since Comcast is overleveraged and Disney will be almost to the levels they were before Fox.

 

[Zarex]

Writer/Producer/Director Simon Kinberg from an interview with Empire:

I was very inspired by what James Mangold did with Logan, and I felt like if I could bring a measure of that aesthetic in the film that all of the intergalactic and larger-scale things that happen in the movie would feel more shocking, more realistic, more emotional.

I'm not confident first time director Kinberg is the guy to mash together a cosmic comic book storyline with a 'grim and gritty' street level aesthetic. Pick a lane, Simon!

They undoubtedly, unequivocally know they don't have those rights and Comcast holds them.

Maybe. Feige has said that Namor's situation is complicated, and one reason may be that the character debuted in Motion Pictures Funny Weekly rather than Timely. Mr. McKenzie wasn't a "work for hire" creation, and Bill Everett's heirs may hold live action rights to the character that will need to be cleared.

 

[Smurphftw]

The movie will be released in the UK, Germany, etc., on October 3rd.

I see. Well I think it's highly likely that this movie is pretty much DOA. Little to no buzz and even less confidence from the studio.

 

[Smurphftw]

Writer/Producer/Director Simon Kinberg from an interview with Empire:

I was very inspired by what James Mangold did with Logan, and I felt like if I could bring a measure of that aesthetic in the film that all of the intergalactic and larger-scale things that happen in the movie would feel more shocking, more realistic, more emotional.

I'm not confident first time director Kinberg is the guy to mash together a cosmic comic book storyline with a 'grim and gritty' street level aesthetic. Pick a lane, Simon!

From the music and tone of the trailer it's clear Kinberg wanted to kind of piggy back off of Logan's success. You can tell they want you to feel tension and fear. I felt neither. For me it's just a giant plate of meh, covered in meh sauce.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Writer/Producer/Director Simon Kinberg from an interview with Empire:

I was very inspired by what James Mangold did with Logan, and I felt like if I could bring a measure of that aesthetic in the film that all of the intergalactic and larger-scale things that happen in the movie would feel more shocking, more realistic, more emotional.

I'm not confident first time director Kinberg is the guy to mash together a cosmic comic book storyline with a 'grim and gritty' street level aesthetic. Pick a lane, Simon!

This is one of his biggest problems. If you want a big, bombastic over-the-top space adventure with superpowers, then do that. If you want a realistic, dark and gritty hard sci-fi or noir film, then do that. Kinberg always tries to do both and IT DOES NOT WORK. It just ends up being a soul-less mishmash. He is like a corporate board that tries to do everything and please everybody at once and ends up pleasing nobody.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

This is one of his biggest problems. If you want a big, bombastic over-the-top space adventure with superpowers, then do that. If you want a realistic, dark and gritty hard sci-fi or noir film, then do that. Kinberg always tries to do both and IT DOES NOT WORK. It just ends up being a soul-less mishmash. He is like a corporate board that tries to do everything and please everybody at once and ends up pleasing nobody.

This is what I was thinking, and I think this is the root of the incongruity - claims of this being "cosmic" while not looking even vaguely cosmic etc.

I don't think, and this is only reinforced by the cliche elements of the trailer, that Kinberg has a unique voice or vision. He's trying to copy things others have done. A little Bryan Singer, a little Matthew Vaughn, a little James Mangold.

Whenever I've read his thoughts, on either Fant4stic or Dark Phoenix, it sounds like he's trying to fit a bunch of different elements into those films that he thinks are cool, but there's no clear focus or unique vision.

 

[Detective Conan]

Can a mod please change the Dark Phoenix discussion thread title in the X-Men forums to “X-Men: Let’s get this over with”?

 

[Spider-Fan]

No

 

[Iceman]

Isn't that technically the day before release? Still, that's not exactly a great sign that this will be a critical darling and a fan favorite.

Lol. I doubt many were expecting this to be a critical darling.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Can a mod please change the Dark Phoenix discussion thread title in the X-Men forums to “X-Men: Let’s get this over with”?

The trailer really feels like that, though.

 

[Dark Raven]

The movie will be released in the UK, Germany, etc., on October 3rd.

Dark Phoenix comes out on Oct 3 in the UK? That's only 6 days away - next week! What kind of film has their first trailer a week before it comes out?

Can a mod please change the Dark Phoenix discussion thread title in the X-Men forums to “X-Men: Let’s get this over with”?

X-Men: Mind the Corpse.

 

[Detective Conan]

Yeah, I’m totally going to watch Venom for the lolz on opening night(not sober though). Who knows? This movie might become a bad movie cult classic in the same way The Room did. I think it’s going to be funniest unintentional comedy of the year.

I think the line, “a turd in the wind” will go down as one most quotable bad movie dialouge. Up there with “You’re tearing me apart, Lisa!” Just watch.

 

[PsylockeBlackWidow]

Why do Mergers and Acquisitions of American companies like Disney and Fox require international approval? It sucks we have this hurdle because I want the X-Men and FF so effing bad.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Because this type of transaction will effect other countries as well. FOX has assets and dealings not just in the US.

 

[WeaponXCII]

Alright guys, I've watched the Dark Phoenix trailer, and something (well, lots of things have, but that goes without saying) has been bothering me.

The one thing (we all knew this would be a retread) that had me excited about this was answering a question I excitedly asked myself from the moment the director was announced: "What does a Simon Kinberg film look like?" Now, I'm not someone with a fancy film degree. I don't consciously know a lot of things about cinematography and directing. I just know when I think a movie looks good or bad. I'm just a guy who likes movies.

That said, I do know that directors tend to have certain stylistic choices to their films, such as the transitions that Vaughn uses in FC, as well as his others. The directors of the X-Universe, even though not all of them have been good, bring unique identities to their X-films, so that one could fairly easily tell "These were directed by the same person". Hell, even Origins has a lot in common visually (at least to my untrained eye; maybe use of filters?) with Ender's Game, another film by Hood. Even the worst director of the group was able to carve out a unique cinematic space. Now, this might be because these two films of Hood share a cinematographer, but I can't be sure.

Tried as I might, I couldn't find any unique directorial or visual flair in Kinberg watching the Dark Phoenix trailer. In fact, the one it really reminded my of, DOFP, used the same slow-mo, and even closeups of eyes. The one curiosity I had for this film was robbed from me. And I don't know what to make of it. Does Kinberg in fact lack identity as a director? Is the studio forcing him to mimic Singer's directing trademarks for better reception? Is what we thought was Singer's directing style really the choice of Kinberg as producer? Did I just miss things because of my lack of background? Am I going crazy????

I think I might be. Or at least this movie is making me. I should end this post before I rant any further. Anyone have any thoughts?

 

[Detective Conan]

So Simon Kinberg states that Gambit will start filming early next year.

Sure Mr. Kinberg whatever you say, we believe you just as much as we believe you when you say you’ll do a sequel to Fan4stic with the same cast.

He also states that the James Franco attached Multiple Men movie script is still being worked on.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Alright guys, I've watched the Dark Phoenix trailer, and something (well, lots of things have, but that goes without saying) has been bothering me.

The one thing (we all knew this would be a retread) that had me excited about this was answering a question I excitedly asked myself from the moment the director was announced: "What does a Simon Kinberg film look like?" Now, I'm not someone with a fancy film degree. I don't consciously know a lot of things about cinematography and directing. I just know when I think a movie looks good or bad. I'm just a guy who likes movies.

That said, I do know that directors tend to have certain stylistic choices to their films, such as the transitions that Vaughn uses in FC, as well as his others. The directors of the X-Universe, even though not all of them have been good, bring unique identities to their X-films, so that one could fairly easily tell "These were directed by the same person". Hell, even Origins has a lot in common visually (at least to my untrained eye; maybe use of filters?) with Ender's Game, another film by Hood. Even the worst director of the group was able to carve out a unique cinematic space. Now, this might be because these two films of Hood share a cinematographer, but I can't be sure.

Tried as I might, I couldn't find any unique directorial or visual flair in Kinberg watching the Dark Phoenix trailer. In fact, the one it really reminded my of, DOFP, used the same slow-mo, and even closeups of eyes. The one curiosity I had for this film was robbed from me. And I don't know what to make of it. Does Kinberg in fact lack identity as a director? Is the studio forcing him to mimic Singer's directing trademarks for better reception? Is what we thought was Singer's directing style really the choice of Kinberg as producer? Did I just miss things because of my lack of background? Am I going crazy????

I think I might be. Or at least this movie is making me. I should end this post before I rant any further. Anyone have any thoughts?

While I have zero faith in Kinberg, and while I generally agree with everything you said... to be completely fair, it's very difficult to tell from a trailer. So many scenes are edited together so quickly, a terrible movie can be made to look good and vice-versa.

To really judge how well the film is directed, we'll have to see how the story flows, how sound and lighting and pacing and camera work etc. all work together to create a certain mood and how well that mood fits the story. If I want to judge how well a film is directed, I'd like to watch a five-minute, minimum, uninterrupted, unedited clip.

I have zero faith in Kinberg's directorial skills, but I also think it would be unfair to judge based on the trailer.

But some things the trailer does tell us is, whether the film is well directed or not, there either aren't a lot of great, exciting, fresh moments in the film, or if there are, for some reason they chose not to show us.

 

[Frankeh]

Judging by the footage in the trailer, his direction seems very consistent in style with Singer's, which isn't really a bad thing since this is a sequel after all. However it also doesn't hurt when directors bring their flair into the franchise to make it feel fresh.

Nothing about the visuals or the action showcased is eye grabbing to me. Not the costumes, not the sets (except for Cerebro but we've seen that ad nauseum), not the vfx. The space sequence might be a stand out, but so far I'm not convinced.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Simon Kinberg talking about Gambit happening and continuing his “business as usual over here at Fox” mumbo jumbo really is adorable

Probably just a coping mechanism for when he’s eventually shown the door in regards to the marvel properties he’s been questionably tasked with for so long.

Another fine example of failing upwards in Hollywood

 

[Frankeh]

Writer/Producer/Director Simon Kinberg from an interview with Empire:

I was very inspired by what James Mangold did with Logan, and I felt like if I could bring a measure of that aesthetic in the film that all of the intergalactic and larger-scale things that happen in the movie would feel more shocking, more realistic, more emotional.

I'm not confident first time director Kinberg is the guy to mash together a cosmic comic book storyline with a 'grim and gritty' street level aesthetic. Pick a lane, Simon!

Yup, we're getting an extremely watered down version of this story.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So Simon Kinberg states that Gambit will start filming early next year.

Sure Mr. Kinberg whatever you say, we believe you just as much as we believe you when you say you’ll do a sequel to Fan4stic with the same cast.

He also states that the James Franco attached Multiple Men movie script is still being worked on.

I don't see how they can film Gambit early next year when they don't even have a director for the project.

 

[Fallen]

I don't see how they can film Gambit early next year when they don't even have a director for the project.

How many directors have left Gambit? 5?

Gambit - written and directed by Simon Kinberg. Problem solved .

 

[Dark Raven]

Can a mod please change the Dark Phoenix discussion thread title in the X-Men forums to “X-Men: Let’s get this over with”?

How many directors have left Gambit? 5?

Gambit - written and directed by Simon Kinberg. Problem solved .

Gambit. Written, directed by and starring Simon Kinberg.