The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Spider-Fan]

The Avengers 4 title reveal is coming much sooner than I thought. I was thinking end of October early November the train doesnt stop.

To be fair, he never said it was the title he spoiled. But, it could be.

 

[Darkprime]

To be fair, he never said it was the title he spoiled. But, it could be.

I dont see what else it could be? its a bit early for a poster. unless hes actually being serious about it being a spoiler. All tho its a bit early it lines up with Feige saying after the Captain Marvel trailer.

 

[Lilbaz]

To be fair, he never said it was the title he spoiled. But, it could be.

Or it could be a tiny thing and they are just trying to get hype going for the show.

Think they will announce the title officially, although i could be wrong.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

They just better let Ruffalo fight MCUverine.

 

[Art Freak]

Spoiling actual plot point over film titles fits in line with crazy Ruffalo’s modus operandi, though.

 

[Random490]

I am not speculating whether Sony will get that or not. I think the MCU could always exist without Spider-Man. I'm just wondering if this is something they will push for. Maybe that was Sony's long term game plan all along? Let Marvel redeem Spidey, associate him with the MCU and give Marvel a taste of using him, and then come time to renegotiate, weasel their way into a loose MCU association and force Holland into their films after he was associated with the MCU. I definitely think they will try and make that happen. This whole situation is unique and odd, and I can see this all going like 1000 different ways.

I don't think Sony will push it. They have a pretty much guaranteed good thing going with the Spider-man deal. A while Spider-man's presence in their "Sony-verse" films would give it a boost I don't think the benefits would outweigh the drawback and they'd probably loose money. I feel Venom wasn't made to be a make or break moment for them. It's not a disaster of a box office performance so they'll probably stay the course. Even if it was, it's not like the studio would collapse if Venom under preforms.

MCU Spider-man uses minimal Sony resources for them with a lot of profit returned. Venom is more like a bonus cherry on top for them. If it's a hit then awesome if not they don't loose too much and just try again. As long as there's a profit there's no reason to shake the boat. At least that's what it looks like to me.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Spoiling actual plot point over film titles fits in line with crazy Ruffalo’s modus operandi, though.

It does, but the secrecy of a film title has never been this big of a deal for marvel either. Its probably a purposeful "leak" of the title.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It does, but the secrecy of a film title has never been this big of a deal for marvel either. Its probably a purposeful "leak" of the title.

Agreed. This is very staged.

 

[Lilbaz]

Agreed. This is very staged.

Yep. Don't watch it but isn't it filmed in front of an audience? Sure someone would be tweeting by now.

 

[Dark Raven]

And giving the shield to bucky or falcon. They'll still be bucky and falcon, just now have a shield. It's not going to suddenly make them better characters.

Some people were expecting Spider-Man to die as soon as Marvel was able to use him in their films.

Remember Talion, who kept saying they were going to kill off Peter Parker and then use Miles Morales? He didn't want it to happen but was afraid it was going to.

Just expect the X-Men and the FF to die as soon as they're back home. Their days are numbered!

 

[Darkprime]

Yep. Don't watch it but isn't it filmed in front of an audience? Sure someone would be tweeting by now.

They may have signed an NDA not to say anything until it airs.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I mentioned this in the James Bond thread where several people are feverishly praying that they kill off Bond on-screen, but I really don't get the obsession of wanting to kill off these iconic characters all of the time. Whether it be Batman or James Bond or Indiana Jones or Mickey Mouse there will be a loud fanbase wanting them put in the ground.

Sometimes I wonder if it is just people who hate these franchises and want to see them end. Like all the people who have spent the last decade wanting Tom Brady or Lebron James to retire. I know there is at least one poster in the James Bond thread who has openly said they should never make another James Bond movie again. Ever.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I mentioned this in the James Bond thread where several people are feverishly praying that they kill off Bond on-screen, but I really don't get the obsession of wanting to kill off these iconic characters all of the time. Whether it be Batman or James Bond or Indiana Jones or Mickey Mouse there will be a loud fanbase wanting them put in the ground.

Sometimes I wonder if it is just people who hate these franchises and want to see them end. Like all the people who have spent the last decade wanting Tom Brady or Lebron James to retire. I know there is at least one poster in the James Bond thread who has openly said they should never make another James Bond movie again. Ever.

I don't get it either. I want to have that door open for Evans to come back when he wants to. I don't want it shut or done to where they need to retcon his surely amazing death scene that would exist if he died. Just keep him alive off-screen.

 

[Lilbaz]

I don't get it either. I want to have that door open for Evans to come back when he wants to. I don't want it shut or done to where they need to retcon his surely amazing death scene that would exist if he died. Just keep him alive off-screen.

They can do that while still having an amazing death scene. Have an after credit scene. Have him be absorbed by the soul stone or his body is taken by some nefarious alien etc.. but just let him be dead for a good few years.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

A good reason to not do it is Star Wars. Star Wars was the biggest film franchise in the world. Even moreso than the MCU. Then they killed Luke Skywalker and the fanbase turned on them immediately. Now Solo bombed, a bunch of Star Wars films were cancelled, and the franchise overall is at a crossroads. I happened to rather like TLJ (moreso than TFA), but it clearly divided the fanbase and the overriding complaint by far is how they handled Luke. Marvel should not make the same mistake.

 

[Darkprime]

I don't get it either. I want to have that door open for Evans to come back when he wants to. I don't want it shut or done to where they need to retcon his surely amazing death scene that would exist if he died. Just keep him alive off-screen.

Sending him back to New York 1945 would do just that. Then Doctor Strange can go pick him up 10 years down the line for a cameo .

 

[Zarex]

The problem fans had with Johnson's treatment of Luke had much more to do with his rejection of the Jedi and hermit behavior than it did his death. If Mr. Skywalker had immediately signed up for Rey's quest and died while gutting Kylo Ren fans would have been tickled pink. I also wouldn't blame the disappointment of Solo - which featured a recasting of one of fiction's most iconic characters, was a prequel, came 6 months after TLJ and was overshadowed by Infinity War - on the fans rejecting the prior wildly successful film.

I don't want to see characters die, but it's inevitable in order for the whole thing not to feel silly, like the comics often do. Spit happens. People have kids, get older, retire and yes, die. I would prefer Evans stick around, but if he decides to hang up the Shield I don't want the MCU to issue a casting call for a twenty something up and comer to portray Steve Rogers. Let him rest in peace.

 

[Lilbaz]

The problem fans had with Johnson's treatment of Luke had much more to do with his rejection of the Jedi and hermit behavior than it did his death. If Mr. Skywalker had immediately signed up for Rey's quest and died while gutting Kylo Ren fans would have been tickled pink. I also wouldn't blame the disappointment of Solo - which featured a recasting of one of fiction's most iconic characters, was a prequel, came 6 months after TLJ and was overshadowed by Infinity War - on the fans rejecting the prior wildly successful film.

I don't want to see characters die, but it's inevitable in order for the whole thing not to feel silly, like the comics often do. Spit happens. People have kids, get older, retire and yes, die. I would prefer Evans stick around, but if he decides to hang up the Shield I don't want the MCU to issue a casting call for a twenty something up and comer to portray Steve Rogers. Let him rest in peace.

Will not happen. They may kill him and tony off but in 10 years time they'll be back. There is too much money to be made from it.
This isn't reality. This is the mcu death doesn't have to be the end and the incredibles might get away by showing a film about a superhuman family but i don't think the mcu will.

 

[Limonade]

The problem fans had with Johnson's treatment of Luke had much more to do with his rejection of the Jedi and hermit behavior than it did his death. If Mr. Skywalker had immediately signed up for Rey's quest and died while gutting Kylo Ren fans would have been tickled pink. I also wouldn't blame the disappointment of Solo - which featured a recasting of one of fiction's most iconic characters, was a prequel, came 6 months after TLJ and was overshadowed by Infinity War - on the fans rejecting the prior wildly successful film.

I don't want to see characters die, but it's inevitable in order for the whole thing not to feel silly, like the comics often do. Spit happens. People have kids, get older, retire and yes, die. I would prefer Evans stick around, but if he decides to hang up the Shield I don't want the MCU to issue a casting call for a twenty something up and comer to portray Steve Rogers. Let him rest in peace.

That is all and well... but given that there are still more stories about Captain America than years an actor can have playing the character... it's a bit presumptuous to say that because you like the actor playing the character is gone... there's no need to tell more stories about Steve Rogers.

 

[ADollarADay]

It's happening!

https://seekingalpha.com/pr/1729272...nge-offers-consent-solicitations-21st-century

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Will not happen. They may kill him and tony off but in 10 years time they'll be back. There is too much money to be made from it.

Exactly. The characters are too big to stay dead. So at that point there are two options that will inevitably result out of this:

1. Retcon the death by bringing them back alive with a new actor in the part.
2. Reboot the MCU from scratch with new actors in the parts.

It will be one or the other. Tony Stark and Steve Rogers sitting on the shelf for all eternity is never going to happen. It may be several years or even a couple of decades. But eventually they will be back.

 

[Darkprime]

It's happening!

The Walt Disney Company Announces Commencement of Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations for 21st Century Fox America, Inc. Notes | Seeking Alpha

Does this mean they're confident in gaining approval from the remaining countries?

 

[Darkprime]

Also worth noting. Disneys Q4 earnings call will take place on November 8th @ 4:30 p.m. EST / 1:30 p.m. Hopefully we get a proper update on where things are in terms of approval.

Disney’s Fiscal Full Year and Q4 2018 Earnings Results Webcast - The Walt Disney Company

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It's happening!

The Walt Disney Company Announces Commencement of Exchange Offers and Consent Solicitations for 21st Century Fox America, Inc. Notes | Seeking Alpha

So I infer, with a first transaction date of March 1, they must be planning on the closing happening prior to that date, correct?

*edit* It looks like that's a maturity date, not (necessarily) a transfer date. Don't they need to close before they start doing anything?

 

[Darkprime]

Damn no Avengers 4 title announcement on Fallon. But we must be getting close if their already teasing it.