The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

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Even if Disney doesn’t revive Luke Cage and or Iron Fist I do think they need to buy the past seasons from Netflix and here’s why...

In a minute everyone is going to have a streaming service and don’t think those companies aren’t going to capitalize on the Marvel brand.

Type Marvel on Netflix and you see the Netflix shows, Agents of SHIELD and a few Marvel films.

Warner starting their own guess we know where Blade going to be...Isn’t Disney fighting them over Star Wars streaming rights now.

That’s why I think now is the time for Disney to really push Hulu

Disney already owns the series but Netflix will probably want to hang onto the streaming rights until the end of the contract so as not to help a direct competitor.
 
eh its been out for a week. not spoilers.

Yes it has been out for a week but not everyone has seen it. So tag your spoilers. Next time, that's an infraction.
 
It would be interesting to know what's going through his head when he watches a season of Daredevil (if he does that is).
 
The Netflix series were/are invaluable to the MCU in my eyes for the sole reason that it offers a welcome contrast from the MCU we see twice a year in theaters, and I'm not talking tone. I'm talking about the street-level Marvel adventures that I grew up loving.

The movies are leaning more towards the cosmic side of things, which is awesome and I love watching Cap and Iron Man fight aliens and robots in the sky, but I need that grounded everyman look into the MCU to really hit me in my fanboy sweetspot. Yes, Ant-man and Spider-man are more "grounded" than the rest (and it's no coincidence Homecoming and Ant-man are two of my favorite MCU installments) but those are two movies out of twenty.

I want to see more of this Daredevil. I want to see Moon Knight. I want to see more of Luke Cage and Iron Fist and Jessica Jones after her next season. I want street-level Marvel to thrive in whatever form that comes in. With the exception of DD, the Netflix shows have worn out their welcome and I'm really hoping Marvel TV finds a new home soon for this corner of the MCU.
 
It would be interesting to know what's going through his head when he watches a season of Daredevil (if he does that is).

My hope is what goes through his mind is "Wow, this is amazing"
 
The Netflix series were/are invaluable to the MCU in my eyes for the sole reason that it offers a welcome contrast from the MCU we see twice a year in theaters, and I'm not talking tone. I'm talking about the street-level Marvel adventures that I grew up loving.

The movies are leaning more towards the cosmic side of things, which is awesome and I love watching Cap and Iron Man fight aliens and robots in the sky, but I need that grounded everyman look into the MCU to really hit me in my fanboy sweetspot. Yes, Ant-man and Spider-man are more "grounded" than the rest (and it's no coincidence Homecoming and Ant-man are two of my favorite MCU installments) but those are two movies out of twenty.

I want to see more of this Daredevil. I want to see Moon Knight. I want to see more of Luke Cage and Iron Fist and Jessica Jones after her next season. I want street-level Marvel to thrive in whatever form that comes in. With the exception of DD, the Netflix shows have worn out their welcome and I'm really hoping Marvel TV finds a new home soon for this corner of the MCU.
There was a lot of potential in this project and some of that has been achieved and the rest not so much. We know it can be done well so hopefully they find a good solution for the darker and dirtier street level stuff.
 
I honestly think the Netflix shows have succeeded on the street level more than they have failed. Outside of some changes I think they needed to do to Defenders and Iron Fist (and I do think Iron Fist is better than it is given credit for...even if flawed), I think they pretty much succeed all around. Luke Cage course corrected for me in season 2, which is why I didn't list it.
 
There's far more good than bad in the Netflix series, I just think the seams started to show around Luke Cage S1. I really think limiting the episodes would have gone a long way to improve the reception overall.
 
There's far more good than bad in the Netflix series, I just think the seams started to show around Luke Cage S1. I really think limiting the episodes would have gone a long way to improve the reception overall.
Only Daredevil really needed and used the 13 episode length without a load of filler. I would have preferred the others were 10 episodes each. Defenders on the other hand was too short and should have been at least 10 episodes, and they should have committed to it budget-wise and taken more of a risk IMO. The potential return would have been higher potentially making all the series a must-watch going forward.
 
There's far more good than bad in the Netflix series, I just think the seams started to show around Luke Cage S1. I really think limiting the episodes would have gone a long way to improve the reception overall.

This is true, most of the seasons could have benefited from being 10 episodes as opposed to 13. I think DD's seasons, JJ season 1, and Punisher are only ones where I felt the 13 episode count worked without too much filler.
 
There's far more good than bad in the Netflix series, I just think the seams started to show around Luke Cage S1. I really think limiting the episodes would have gone a long way to improve the reception overall.

As I mentioned yesterday, I felt like there were great moments, but a lot of it felt like "filler". I think either they should have told the same stories in half as many episodes, or made sure they had enough to keep things moving through the entire season.

Beyond that I think my biggest problem was related to the character's powers. All the characters have some pretty cool abilities, but other than Daredevil, they rarely seem to use them and the writers generally didn't give us villains that could match those powers and require them to use them.

I found that particularly glaring in "The Defenders", in which it seemed like super-strong and indestructible Luke Cage shouldn't have had any problems with a few ninjas. In the fight scenes I wondered why everybody didn't just hide behind Luke and let him handle it.

And I suspect many of us had the same annoyance I did with Iron Fist - in the first season, it seemed like he never had the ability to use his fist. He'd be fighting punks and I'd be screaming "Use your fist!", but he rarely did (and if he did, those punks wouldn't have even been a challenge). And then the second season came around and he didn't have the fist through most of it.

I suspect most of my biggest issues - stories that moved slowly, lack of powered opponents and lack of power-use by heroes - were budget related. Doing the things I wanted to see would have cost more money.

But my feeling is: If you've got super-powered characters, write stories in ways that have them using their powers to fight challenging foes. And if you can't afford to do that, don't use characters who have powers.
 
As I mentioned yesterday, I felt like there were great moments, but a lot of it felt like "filler". I think either they should have told the same stories in half as many episodes, or made sure they had enough to keep things moving through the entire season.

Beyond that I think my biggest problem was related to the character's powers. All the characters have some pretty cool abilities, but other than Daredevil, they rarely seem to use them and the writers generally didn't give us villains that could match those powers and require them to use them.

I found that particularly glaring in "The Defenders", in which it seemed like super-strong and indestructible Luke Cage shouldn't have had any problems with a few ninjas. In the fight scenes I wondered why everybody didn't just hide behind Luke and let him handle it.

And I suspect many of us had the same annoyance I did with Iron Fist - in the first season, it seemed like he never had the ability to use his fist. He'd be fighting punks and I'd be screaming "Use your fist!", but he rarely did (and if he did, those punks wouldn't have even been a challenge). And then the second season came around and he didn't have the fist through most of it.

I suspect most of my biggest issues - stories that moved slowly, lack of powered opponents and lack of power-use by heroes - were budget related. Doing the things I wanted to see would have cost more money.

But my feeling is: If you've got super-powered characters, write stories in ways that have them using their powers to fight challenging foes. And if you can't afford to do that, don't use characters who have powers.

I only really felt the budget on powers with Iron Fist and his ability to never be able to use his own power and in Defenders. Like you said, they needed to find ways to make the Hand a threat for Luke. But Luke in JJ and his own show I thought was done just fine for powers. Super strength and durability are easy to do. Other than those examples, the powers use and levels have not bothered me.
 
This is true, most of the seasons could have benefited from being 10 episodes as opposed to 13. I think DD's seasons, JJ season 1, and Punisher are only ones where I felt the 13 episode count worked without too much filler.

Huh? The Publisher dragged on forever. I thought it could easily have done with only 10 episodes, or even 8. I fell asleep in a few towards the beginning and middle. Only later on in the season did it start picking up more.
 
Huh? The Publisher dragged on forever. I thought it could easily have done with only 10 episodes, or even 8. I fell asleep in a few towards the beginning and middle. Only later on in the season did it start picking up more.
The Publisher was just lazy, piling all the work on the interns.
Didn't even put out a book until the very end.
Very comic book inaccurate.
 
Huh? The Publisher dragged on forever. I thought it could easily have done with only 10 episodes, or even 8. I fell asleep in a few towards the beginning and middle. Only later on in the season did it start picking up more.

The Punisher was slow burn, but it kept me engaged. It felt like a true crime drama, so I liked how it was paced. There is a difference between a show being padded and it just being a slow burn. Punisher I felt worked as a slow burn.
 
The Publisher was just lazy, piling all the work on the interns.
Didn't even put out a book until the very end.
Very comic book inaccurate.

Sorry, it always autocorrects that word when I'm typing quickly. Not even typing but swiping the word on my phone.
 
The Punisher was slow burn, but it kept me engaged. It felt like a true crime drama, so I liked how it was paced. There is a difference between a show being padded and it just being a slow burn. Punisher I felt worked as a slow burn.

I would have preferred if everything involving Microchip's family had been edited out of the series. The "Mysterious Stranger Flirting With the Wife of the Creepy Guy Watching on a Hidden Camera" version of Frank was turrible. I think they could have easily cut it down to 10 episodes - maybe even 8 - and improved the program.
 
I would have preferred if everything involving Microchip's family had been edited out of the series. The "Mysterious Stranger Flirting With the Wife of the Creepy Guy Watching on a Hidden Camera" version of Frank was turrible.

I was actually quite entertained with the "Is he going to bang Micro's wife subplot" lol!!!
 
I loved that as well.

I also liked the pace of the Punisher and the Defenders - slow, but deliberate and structured. If it doesn’t work for you it doesn’t work for you but both shows earned that slow burn without anything feeling like padding IMO. I know some will disagree, but Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Jessica Jones S2 were full of meandering subplots and boring side characters.

But my feeling is: If you've got super-powered characters, write stories in ways that have them using their powers to fight challenging foes. And if you can't afford to do that, don't use characters who have powers.

Agreed 100%.

There’s really no excuse for Iron Fist in particular. When the most interesting character in a show about a guy who fauht a magic dragon to get an iron fist is a drug-addicted businessmen then you know you’ve got a problem.
 
Iron Fist was mishandled at the start and because of that, I can see where it choked the momentum of Marvel-Netflix in general.

I actually overall liked Defenders although they had taken some missteps on it. Since it was right after Iron Fist, I know some folks who only recently checked it out. They also didn’t dig Iron Fist then when they heard Defenders “didn’t do well”, they were in no rush to see it. Funny thing is when they did, most of those guys liked it well enough.

I have to admit, I still have not seen Iron Fist Season 2. Prior to Iron Fist S2 I would take the day off to binge the new season of a Netflix-Marvel show, but when I was following what the show’s creatives and it came out about how certain aspects of how this season was going to be, I majorly lost interest.

I really enjoyed Daredevil Season 3. Jessica Jones I really liked Season 1 and liked half of Season 2 so I’ll give it a chance. If they legit make Trish Hellcat that will go a long way with me.
 
If you want something to succeed and come out with top quality, you don't allow Scott Buck in the same building, never mind give him the keys to one of your main shows. And if for some reason they weren't aware of Buck's toxic touch, Inhumans should have been the absolutely biggest wake up call possible.
 
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