The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 5

[Kanon]

They showed the cast of Black Panther (MBJ won't be Human Torch ), a skit of Thor Ragnarok and some actual stuff, and now something for Strange. The Hulk clip won't be online (most likely), so they better step up if they want to set the interwebs on fire

 

[AvegningSpider]

Patiently waiting for the Four

 

[BatsDC]

Ah well. Always next year!

 

[ADollarADay]

So I hear Marvel will announce their reacquisition of F4 this weekend.

Well, you got some explaining to do...

 

[Flint Marko]

I didn't expect it to happen but I'm still kind of disappointed we didn't hear anything. Oh well. Next year, maybe.

 

[Kanon]

Looks like the panel is over, and they are not even uploading all the clips!

 

[Boom]

Assuming they even got the rights back at all, there's no need to announce it this early. Phase Three just started, and the earliest we'd see them is Phase Four.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Ah well. Always next year!

Or NYCC?

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Well, you got some explaining to do...

Well you see what had happened was..........Look man, I blame Fox!

 

[Spiderine]

I wasn't expecting an announcement about the Four. They are focusing on the immediate projects coming up.

 

[Aztec]

Looks like this sig is sticking around a little while longer...

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I didn't expect it to happen but I'm still kind of disappointed we didn't hear anything. Oh well. Next year, maybe.

Nothing really new at all. I was at least hoping we'd get something about new films on the schedule. I guess they were too busy with all the films currently in-process.

 

[Flint Marko]

Nothing really new at all. I was at least hoping we'd get something about new films on the schedule. I guess they were too busy with all the films currently in-process.

True. In fairness they have 9 films coming out in the next few years on top of the Netflix series all coming to a head. Phase 3 is packed to the brim, so I understand them not wanting to release anything about phase 4 this early in the game.

 

[Kanon]

I was expecting at least (besides the Strange trailer we got) a teaser online for GotG2, and some clip of Thor Ragnarok (or image of gladiator Hulk) or Spidey.

 

[Chris B]

I am a little disappointed that we didn't get the news tonight, but I think it'll happen eventually and we did get a bunch of other cool stuff to hold us over in the meantime.

In light of not getting news tonight, I think when Marvel announces the Phase IV line-up in two or three years might be the next best chance to hear something. I just really hope that they try and make a deal instead of trying to wait Fox out again.

 

[ADollarADay]

I am a little disappointed that we didn't get the news tonight, but I think it'll happen eventually and we did get a bunch of other cool stuff to hold us over in the meantime.

In light of not getting news tonight, I think when Marvel announces the Phase IV line-up in two or three years might be the next best chance to hear something. I just really hope that they try and make a deal instead of trying to wait Fox out again.

Deal should be to outright purchase the rights back.

The Sony deal is too one sided for Sony right now. Besides all the stuff I have previously mentioned, Marvel can't use SM on promo materials for the theater or for home sales of the movies spidey is in and can't use any footage of him in the new logo. Unless the Sony deal gives the full rights back to Marvel after this trilogy, it is one of the worst deals Marvel has made after their early 90s firesale deals. And definitely one of the worst deals a Disney subsidiary has ever made.

Full Fantastic Four rights back or bust.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Looks like this sig is sticking around a little while longer...

Wow! And you know what...
Kung Fu Panda and Deadpool have been their only hits this year.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Deal should be to outright purchase the rights back.

The Sony deal is too one sided for Sony right now. Besides all the stuff I have previously mentioned, Marvel can't use SM on promo materials for the theater or for home sales of the movies spidey is in and can't use any footage of him in the new logo. Unless the Sony deal gives the full rights back to Marvel after this trilogy, it is one of the worst deals Marvel has made after their early 90s firesale deals. And definitely one of the worst deals a Disney subsidiary has ever made.

Full Fantastic Four rights back or bust.

I have to agree with this.

 

[Zarex]

Deal should be to outright purchase the rights back.

The Sony deal is too one sided for Sony right now. Besides all the stuff I have previously mentioned, Marvel can't use SM on promo materials for the theater or for home sales of the movies spidey is in and can't use any footage of him in the new logo. Unless the Sony deal gives the full rights back to Marvel after this trilogy, it is one of the worst deals Marvel has made after their early 90s firesale deals. And definitely one of the worst deals a Disney subsidiary has ever made.

You're only thinking in the short term. Marvel got creative control of the live action rights to their flagship character. That's priceless, and something no one thought was possible a few years back. The deal has made it virtually impossible for Sony to ever remove Spidey from the MCU, making it much more likely that Marvel will eventually gain full control of Peter.

A few years ago Sony controlled Spider-Man animation and live action and owned a 25% share of all merchandise through the Spider-Man Joint Venture. Disney/Marvel has done a fantastic job over the past few years gaining control of the world's most popular super-hero.

 

[ernesth100]

Okay. Not today, but maybe next year. They had alot of other stuff to run through this year anyways. But next year Comic Con the schedule for 2018-19 is less packed so they should have more announcements.

 

[ADollarADay]

You're only thinking in the short term. Marvel got creative control of the live action rights to their flagship character. That's priceless, and something no one thought was possible a few years back. The deal has made it virtually impossible for Sony to ever remove Spidey from the MCU, making it much more likely that Marvel will eventually gain full control of Peter.

A few years ago Sony controlled Spider-Man animation and live action and owned a 25% share of all merchandise through the Spider-Man Joint Venture. Disney/Marvel has done a fantastic job over the past few years gaining control of the world's most popular super-hero.

No, I'm thinking long term.

Based on publicly available info, this deal is short term. Either a 3 year or 3 movie deal and Sony has full control again, according to rumors. I don't know where you're getting the idea that it's virtually impossible for Sony to remove Spidey from the MCU if the rumors are true. There was already a rumor floating around that the heads at Sony wanted to do a venom movie or whatever.

Like I said, if there's more to the deal though, then that can be a different story. There was also nothing in publicly available information (leaked or otherwise) that says Sony had the rights to animated movies, only the live action ones. If you have something to prove that, please share.

I'm not arguing that Marvel has slowly regained control of Spidey (at one point Sony had 50% control of the merchandise). I'm only saying this deal is poor and very short sighted. It is much better for Sony than Disney/Marvel, based on what we know.

 

[Zarex]

No, I'm thinking long term.

Based on publicly available info, this deal is short term. Either a 3 year or 3 movie deal and Sony has full control again, according to rumors. I don't know where you're getting the idea that it's virtually impossible for Sony to remove Spidey from the MCU if the rumors are true. There was already a rumor floating around that the heads at Sony wanted to do a venom movie or whatever.

How the heck is Sony going to get folks interested in a post MCU Spider-Man movie? I'd hate to be doing the marketing campaign for that one. Feige and company knew the short term deal was going to be extended in perpetuity.

Like I said, if there's more to the deal though, then that can be a different story. There was also nothing in publicly available information (leaked or otherwise) that says Sony had the rights to animated movies, only the live action ones. If you have something to prove that, please share.es
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TV, not film. Sony conceded the TV animation rights after the Disney buyout.

 

[ADollarADay]

How the heck is Sony going to get folks interested in a post MCU Spider-Man movie? I'd hate to be doing the marketing campaign for that one. Feige and company knew the short term deal was going to be extended in perpetuity.

Simple, by taking the character back, when it's at an all time high, and creating their own universe. You underestimate the greediness of executives. Like I said, they are rumored to still wanna do a venom movie now. Make no mistake about it, they would want to do SS and all the other crap we read before.

Think it from their perspective, "we got a brand new trilogy finished now, Spidey movies are averaging $1B or whatever, and the character is at an all time high. Let's take full control of the character and go on our own. We will now branch out and create our own superhero cinematic universe."

Plus from a legal perspective, the contract would have to be extended and/or amended after every 3 years or trilogy. This can bring more greediness and since Marvel gave up so much for a shared spiderman deal to begin with, Sony will feel like they have the upper hand or take the character back as described above. Nothing is extended in perpetuity unless it's already on paper. Especially when we are talking about millions and billions of dollars. One recent example, James Bond, made the most money EVER under Sony. There is a rumored bidding war for the franchise right now.

This deal is good for short term and a mess for long term. The publicly available information on the deal greatly benefit Sony and are just okay for Marvel.

TV, not film. Sony conceded the TV animation rights after the Disney buyout.

Do you have a source? All I see is that Sony had live action rights, not tv or movie animated rights.

 

[Zarex]

Simple, by taking the character back, when it's at an all time high, and creating their own universe. You underestimate the greediness of executives. Like I said, they are rumored to still wanna do a venom movie now. Make no mistake about it, they would want to do SS and all the other crap we read before.

Think it from their perspective, "we got a brand new trilogy finished now, Spidey movies are averaging $1B or whatever, and the character is at an all time high. Let's take full control of the character and go on our own. We will now branch out and create our own superhero cinematic universe."

Plus from a legal perspective, the contract would have to be extended and/or amended after every 3 years or trilogy. This can bring more greediness and since Marvel gave up so much for a shared spiderman deal to begin with, Sony will feel like they have the upper hand or take the character back as described above. Nothing is extended in perpetuity unless it's already on paper. Especially when we are talking about millions and billions of dollars. One recent example, James Bond, made the most money EVER under Sony. There is a rumored bidding war for the franchise right now.

This deal is good for short term and a mess for long term. The publicly available information on the deal greatly benefit Sony and are just okay for Marvel.

The scenario in which Sony attempts to create a Spider-Man cinematic universe when the character's popularity is at an all time high sounds awfully familiar. Namely because Sony attempted that same thing just a few years back, resulting in the mess that was ASM2.

Telling the paying public that Spidey no longer chums around with Tony Stark or fights alongside the Avengers will go over like a fart in church, and both Sony and Marvel knows it. Not only would Sony be losing all ties to the MCU, they would have to recast Pete along with his supporting cast for a fourth time. If they are as greedy as you say, Sony execs will do everything they can to keep the current arrangement going.

Do you have a source? All I see is that Sony had live action rights, not tv or movie animated rights.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/09...ular-spider-man-studio-loses-spidey-tv-rights

 

[Web-Head]

I was expecting at least (besides the Strange trailer we got) a teaser online for GotG2, and some clip of Thor Ragnarok (or image of gladiator Hulk) or Spidey.

Nah. James Gunn even said we won't be getting the Guardians footage because the CGI isn't finished. We'll get the trailer when Doctor Strange comes out.