The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 5

[Kanon]

I've also heard that Deadpool (I haven't seen it) was very ambiguous regarding the world in which it was set.

Well, it's on the X-Men universe, but because of Deadpool awereness, it could be out of continuity (he talks about McAvoy and Stewart both being Professor X, and hints at Jackman being Wolverine -not sure about the last one-)

Aaaaaaaaaaaand there is something that might or might not be a SHIELD Helicarrier in the movie.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Aaaaaaaaaaaand there is something that might or might not be a SHIELD Helicarrier in the movie.

This has always intrigued me. That didn't just happen by accident. They very specifically created something that looked like a hellicarrier (and my understanding was that it was crashed and on land, so what else could it be?).

What's with that? Has anybody ever explained why they did that? Was it, like many things, just sort of an inside joke, or is there some bigger plan/backstory?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Okay, I just found this:

http://comicbook.com/2016/03/01/deadpool-director-clarifies-there-was-no-s-h-i-e-l-d-helicarrier/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my interpretion/translation of this is: "I wanted to set this in the Marvel universe, but I can't, because of legal restrictions, call this a 'Hellicarrier" . . . so it's definitely not a Hellicarrier."

 

[rockman1216]

Well, it's on the X-Men universe, but because of Deadpool awereness, it could be out of continuity (he talks about McAvoy and Stewart both being Professor X, and hints at Jackman being Wolverine -not sure about the last one-)

Aaaaaaaaaaaand there is something that might or might not be a SHIELD Helicarrier in the movie.

The whole McAvoy, Stewart thing is about Deadpool's meta-awareness not continuity it couldn't have logically taken place in the X-MEN DOFP canon because he would have been 65+ years old before the Weapon X program took place.

Deadpool takes place in modern time, and I believe there was a Taken reference and at the earliest Taken movie to be released was 2008, so lets for the sake of argument use that as a reference point.

2008-1973 = 35 however wade wasn't born in 1973 oh no he was born way before that he looked about 30 in X-MEN Origins Wolverine so adding those two together he would have been 65 BEFORE his Weapon X treatments and before anyone says X-MEN Origins Wolverine isn't canon, the events of the movie sure, however that doesn't un-birth the characters from 1972 and before or else Xavier would be screwed all it does is change where they were at that point in time in the timeline. It gets even worse if his movie took place in 2016 he would have been 71 before his Weapon X treatment.

So unless Wade Wilson got a hold of some magic anti-aging cream Deadpool 2016 couldn't have taken place in any X-MEN Movie universe not Earth-TRN414, or Earth-10005

 

[Kanon]

Okay, I just found this:

http://comicbook.com/2016/03/01/deadpool-director-clarifies-there-was-no-s-h-i-e-l-d-helicarrier/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my interpretion/translation of this is: "I wanted to set this in the Marvel universe, but I can't, because of legal restrictions, call this a 'Hellicarrier" . . . so it's definitely not a Hellicarrier."

Yeap, that's correct, wich is pretty weird, like when they tried to include Avenger's tower in Amazing Spider-Man 2, or OsCorp building in Avengers (can't remember exactly which building in which other franchise, but it was one of those two)

The whole McAvoy, Stewart thing is about Deadpool's meta-awareness not continuity it couldn't have logically taken place in the X-MEN DOFP canon because he would have been 65+ years old before the Weapon X program took place.

What I meant is that it is ambiguous, as you said, it could be Deadpool's awareness, or it could be that he is not in that continuity and that X-Men movies exist as just movies in Deadpool.

It's just that, it's ambiguous, not set in stone.

 

[Orba]

There are a lot of Meta stuff in the film, he makes Green Lantern jokes, he has a XMO: Wolverine Deadpool action figure, and the stinger is completely meta, even making a joke that the audience were expecting Samuel L Jackson. The level of it all makes saying that anything in particular ties it to the existing X-Men films very hard.

 

[Web-Head]

The Deadpool joke regarding Taken was something along the lines of him just being a bad parent. It took place current day for the most part

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I remember in some of the old comic-books they used to indicate that comic-books were basically records of things that were really happening, so the McAvoy/Stewart reference could be a play on that with the idea those actors were making movies based on real people.

But I suspect it's simpler than that and they're just making the reference for fun without any broader meaning.

 

[Kanon]

But I suspect it's simpler than that and they're just making the reference for fun without any broader meaning.

It's definitively that, the whole movie is like that. It's just that it leaves the door open to say is out of continuity too.

 

[InCali]

Has there been any strong statements about Legion? I thought I heard at one time that it wouldn't be part of the X-Men universe, but is it the first step in building a new X-Men world (either on its own or in the MCU) in which future films could be set or will it be its own thing?

I've also heard that Deadpool (I haven't seen it) was very ambiguous regarding the world in which it was set.

Since people were so upset about the Black Widow/Hulk romance thing, maybe they can have Deadpool join The Avengers and hookup with her instead....that could work....on the other hand, it might be a little bit awkward at first.

 

[Darth_Spock]

Okay, I just found this:

http://comicbook.com/2016/03/01/deadpool-director-clarifies-there-was-no-s-h-i-e-l-d-helicarrier/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my interpretion/translation of this is: "I wanted to set this in the Marvel universe, but I can't, because of legal restrictions, call this a 'Hellicarrier" . . . so it's definitely not a Hellicarrier."

"I just want to say for the record, there's a lot of groups in the Marvel universe who use flying combat platforms. It's not just the Helicarrier. A.I.M. (Advanced Idea Mechanics) has some. It could have been anything but a S.H.I.E.L.D.

Fascinating..... So since when did Fox have access to using A.I.M. then? I'm still not even sure if they can use Department H w/o Marvel's consent.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Fascinating..... So since when did Fox have access to using A.I.M. then? I'm still not even sure if they can use Department H w/o Marvel's consent.

If I may act as Tim Miller's attorney for a moment:

As Mr. Miller clearly indicated in his interview, the vehicle is a 'ship' of indeterminate origin, purpose, design and ownership. He referenced the A.I.M. vehicle just as an illustration that there are other large, flying vessels in the comic-book world, and the inclusion of any large flying vessel should in NO WAY BE INTERPRETED TO BE A HELICARRIER. Mr. Miller would never dream of including a Hellicarrier in his film because 'Hellicarriers' are copyrighted intellectual property of The Walt Disney Company.


. . . psst, it's a Hellicarrier.

 

[Zarex]

Mr. Miller got a lot of leeway from Marvel Studios because he has worked with them in the past - as recently as CA:CW - and also directed the excellent CGI shorts that introduced Iron Man to the public before his live action film debut. He was able to clear up an issue with NTW's power change by talking to Kevin Feige directly

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/One-Thing-Deadpool-Writers-Needed-Approval-From-Marvel-113837.html

 

[Kanon]

. . . psst, it's a Hellicarrier.

It was as least in early concept art. The ship was originally a SHIELD Helicarrier and the artist was asked to change it to avoid the legal issues that come with stealing other people's intellectual property.

At the end of the movie, Deadpool fights Ajax and his crew on top of a partially disassembled helicarrier. This art comes from artist Emmanuel Shiu (whose work we’ve featured before.) Shiu tells us he was asked to redesign the helicarrier so it looked as different as possible from the one in The Avengers. And it had to look like it had been taken apart in some places.

I'm not sure if I can post the original concept art, as it was taken down from the artist portfolio and he asked websites to remove it.

 

[Val_Zod]

Since people were so upset about the Black Widow/Hulk romance thing, maybe they can have Deadpool join The Avengers and hookup with her instead....that could work....on the other hand, it might be a little bit awkward at first.

Incredibly awkward when you consider the history between their actors.

 

[InCali]

Incredibly awkward when you consider the history between their actors.

Nah.....they're professionals. They just need to hire Blake Lively as the Enchantress and have her cast a love spell on DP after his marriage to BW.

What could go wrong?

 

[DawnWarrior]

And DP's best girl Vanessa is gonna be in there somewhere.

Blake Lively might actually make a decent Enchantress, but I'm rooting for Charlize.

 

[InCali]

And DP's best girl Vanessa is gonna be in there somewhere.

Blake Lively might actually make a decent Enchantress, but I'm rooting for Charlize.

I'm trying to think of some sarcastic, clever remark.....uhhh..... Casting Charlize in that role would be cold blooded. The thing is that I'm thinking Marvel has bailed on the Enchantress for reasons that I won't go into....Thor 3 (cough....flem...and all a that).

I'm guessing we won't see Ben Grimm spellin' Heimdall. (Gratuitous FF reference).

I'd love to see Charlize in MCU. Cate rocks and I'm so happy she's in the fold.

 

[Dark Raven]

It's a shame we may seem to have lost Enchantress in the MCU.

I'd still like to see Blake Lively in the MCU. Maybe as Sue? I don't know if there's any other role for Charlize at the moment.

 

[rockman1216]

The Deadpool joke regarding Taken was something along the lines of him just being a bad parent. It took place current day for the most part

I know that but I'm just saying if they were to say Deadpool is connected to the Singer Timeline it couldn't happen due to the simple fact the Taken movies happened in modern time, and Deadpool was born in the 1940s-1950s so he would have been 65+ before he got the Weapon X treatment, and if Deadpool actually takes place in 2016 then 71 years before the experiment.

 

[Marathon]

Every Marvel property will return to Marvel sooner or later. Think about it, there is so much talk of Superhero fatigue, so which of the three major studios will suffer the most from that fatigue? Its simple, Fox because there is less in the way of wiggle room to not release these films. They have to periodically produce and release them. However if they are underperforming and not making adequate returns of investment its only going to get harder to justify continuing.

This, 100%.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

I know that but I'm just saying if they were to say Deadpool is connected to the Singer Timeline it couldn't happen due to the simple fact the Taken movies happened in modern time, and Deadpool was born in the 1940s-1950s so he would have been 65+ before he got the Weapon X treatment, and if Deadpool actually takes place in 2016 then 71 years before the experiment.

This is a reach for sure, but I'm sure they could just explain Origins as Wade's fever dream at this point considering there is nothing Origins directly connects to at this point with DOFP resetting the timeline.

That is, if anyone at Fox really gave a **** about continuity in the slightest.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Mr. Miller got a lot of leeway from Marvel Studios because he has worked with them in the past - as recently as CA:CW - and also directed the excellent CGI shorts that introduced Iron Man to the public before his live action film debut. He was able to clear up an issue with NTW's power change by talking to Kevin Feige directly

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/One-Thing-Deadpool-Writers-Needed-Approval-From-Marvel-113837.html

Wait a minute.... Fox messes up Marvel characters powers all the time (Viper, Silver Samurai, Barakapool, Galactus, Doom, etc.) So did those directors have to reach out to Feige as well?

Just trying to get an understanding on what Fox can and can't do with their rented characters. Because if changing NTW's powers to Cannonball's needed Marvel's approval then how did anything in Fan4stic get by?

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Every Marvel property will return to Marvel sooner or later. Think about it, there is so much talk of Superhero fatigue, so which of the three major studios will suffer the most from that fatigue? Its simple, Fox because there is less in the way of wiggle room to not release these films. They have to periodically produce and release them. However if they are underperforming and not making adequate returns of investment its only going to get harder to justify continuing.

This is factual!

F4 is next, never mind what that jerk Simon Kinberg said. He doesn't care about Marvel films but he will say and do anything to renew that 3 year contract he has with Fox. Which is something I don't think anyone besides him should want after seeing the result of X-men:Apocalypse.

 

[Kanon]

Making research about Marvel current film slate, with the Infinity War change and all, got across a lot of old rumours about the X-Men being rebooted withing the MCU. The rumours claim that Apocalypse is the last non-Marvel X-Men film (and it's weird that there is not more studio buzz about sequels), that the X-Men will be rebooted into the MCU, that's why Legion is not in the continuity of Fox films, and also why Inhumans is in limbo.

Sure that got me thinking again... Why if the Deadpool helicarrier was someone jumping the gun (or plan B) because of early negotiations?

Again, Comic Con would be the perfect time to announce this...

Wait a minute.... Fox messes up Marvel characters powers all the time (Viper, Silver Samurai, Barakapool, Galactus, Doom, etc.) So did those directors have to reach out to Feige as well?

Just trying to get an understanding on what Fox can and can't do with their rented characters. Because if changing NTW's powers to Cannonball's needed Marvel's approval then how did anything in Fan4stic get by?

Didn't read the article, just going by what you posted, but I guess that changing the powers of a character is a lot more drastic than making alterations to background story, and stuff, from a copyright law point of view (pretty much, if you change the power, you change most of it's distinctive likeness, this prevents you from making minor characters a super soldier from the 40's, a nordic god, and a millonaire that builds a power armor