The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[Zarex]

The X-Family TV and solo projects are doing well, but X-Men proper is in pretty rough shape.

 

[wobbly]

Well, that depends on which X-Property we're talking, because I'd hardly call the likes of Logan, Deadpool, and especially Legion mistakes, even though I know a lot of folks, even some here, would easily call Deadpool- which was still Tim Miller's first film- and maybe Logan happy accidents or lucky results even though they had talented folks writing and directing those projects, especially with Noah Hawley's work on Legion, though that's a TV show with more freedom...though I'd easily put Legion above any other comic adaptation on right now.

Since Kinberg is rumoured to be in talks for writing and directing the next X-men film its the core movies that are the concern.

Deadpool, Legion and (by all accounts) Logan too show Fox can do good work with their Marvel characters, but imo Kinberg isn't the way forward for the X-Men flicks. I do not rate the man at all.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Well, that depends on which X-Property we're talking, because I'd hardly call the likes of Logan, Deadpool, and especially Legion mistakes,

I'm talking about Daredevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four 1, 2 and 3, Wolverine etc. etc. etc.

Fox has made a lot of crappy superhero films over the years.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here's Fox's legacy:

X-Men - Hit
Daredevil - Miss
X2: X-Men United - Hit
FF - Miss
Elektra - Miss
X-Men: The Last Stand - Miss
FF2 - Miss
X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Miss
X-Men: First Class - Hit
The Wolverine - Eh
X-Men: Days of Future Past - Hit
Fant4stic - Miss
Deadpool - Hit
X-Men: Apocalypse - Miss

Out of 14 films, they've had 5 decent ones and putting Kinberg in charge of X-Men certainly isn't going in the right direction.

 

[Dark Raven]

Here's Fox's legacy:

X-Men - Hit
Daredevil - Miss
X2: X-Men United - Hit
FF - Miss
Elektra - Miss
X-Men: The Last Stand - Miss
FF2 - Miss
X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Miss
X-Men: First Class - Hit
The Wolverine - Eh
X-Men: Days of Future Past - Hit
Fant4stic - Miss
Deadpool - Hit
X-Men: Apocalypse - Miss

Out of 14 films, they've had 5 decent ones and putting Kinberg in charge of X-Men certainly isn't going in the right direction.

If Fox had prisoners lined up in a firing squad, less than half the people would die.

 

[Web-Head]

I wouldn't necessarily say Apocalypse was a miss, but more meh. They seem to be going in the right direction aside from the main X-Men films. The way Fox is going though, it seems they have no need for the F4. So, I think they could seek out a deal or since they're focused on main X-Men films, Deadpool, the TV shows, the spin-offs, etc the rights will more than likely revert.

 

[marcvader]

Yeah I say 5 Hits 7 Misses 2 Meh

 

[jaymes_e06]

Here's Fox's legacy:

X-Men - Hit
Daredevil - Miss
X2: X-Men United - Hit
FF - Miss
Elektra - Miss
X-Men: The Last Stand - Miss
FF2 - Miss
X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Miss
X-Men: First Class - Hit
The Wolverine - Eh
X-Men: Days of Future Past - Hit
Fant4stic - Miss
Deadpool - Hit
X-Men: Apocalypse - Miss

Out of 14 films, they've had 5 decent ones and putting Kinberg in charge of X-Men certainly isn't going in the right direction.

What does this have to do with FF exactly? It's pretty ****** for X-Men fans but not really pertaining to what this threads purpose is.

 

[Flint Marko]

What does this have to do with FF exactly?

Laying out the track record of the studio that holds the rights to the FF doesn't have anything to do with the FF?

 

[NotNickFury]

Yeah I say 5 Hits 7 Misses 2 Meh

I know very few, if any, will agree with me on this, but I'd probably say three meh because I think the director's cut of Daredevil is quite good. Theatrical cut is okay at best, but there's a lot put back in and cut out of the director's cut that I think improves the film, like cutting out the Matt/Elektra sex scene or the extended subplot with Matt and Foggy dealing with their defendant.

 

[Flint Marko]

I know very few, if any, will agree with me on this, but I'd probably say three meh because I think the director's cut of Daredevil is quite good. Theatrical cut is okay at best, but there's a lot put back in and cut out of the director's cut that I think improves the film, like cutting out the Matt/Elektra sex scene or the extended subplot with Matt and Foggy dealing with their defendant.

The Director's cut is a better movie, but it still has that playground scene

 

[NotNickFury]

The Director's cut is a better movie, but it still has that playground scene

But see, I love that scene...

...because of the Rifftrax take on it.

[YT]84bDpTiNtuI[/YT]

 

[Dark Raven]

What does this have to do with FF exactly? It's pretty ****** for X-Men fans but not really pertaining to what this threads purpose is.

It means they can't shoot straight or on target, and when they do manage to get off a bullet they shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

What does this have to do with FF exactly? It's pretty ****** for X-Men fans but not really pertaining to what this threads purpose is.

The discussion at the moment is about Simon Kinberg - who I believe was the primary reason Fant4stic was as bad as it was.

That led me to comment that IF Fox does hire Kinberg as both writer and director, they are following the pattern they have used primarily with FF (but also with other films) of hiring an inexperienced director whose primary strength is that Management can push him around and force him to make their inexpensive film (as they did 3 times with FF).

My comment about the mistakes Fox makes led NotNickFury to ask which films I was talking about, so I posted a complete list to illustrate what I was talking about and that complete list included 3 FF films.

That's what the post had to do specifically with FF, but the broader theme of this thread (primarily due to the confusion over the title when the thread was moved to the general area) has morphed to generally discus return of ALL rights.

And as I mentioned earlier, if someone wants the X-Men to return to Marvel, Fox's apparent use of an FF strategy on X-Men and possibly hiring a terrible writer/director (who also just happened to destroy FFand made the odds of those rights returning much better.) could be very good news for them.

 

[Darth_Spock]

Well, that depends on which X-Property we're talking, because I'd hardly call the likes of Logan, Deadpool, and especially Legion mistakes, even though I know a lot of folks, even some here, would easily call Deadpool- which was still Tim Miller's first film- and maybe Logan happy accidents or lucky results even though they had talented folks writing and directing those projects, especially with Noah Hawley's work on Legion, though that's a TV show with more freedom..though I'd easily put Legion above any other comic adaptation on right now.

Good since it's still part of Marvel TV. Also Tim Miller had ties with the MCU (was helping the Russo's with CW if I recall correctly before getting their blessing to leave and direct Deadpool).

It's so fascinating observing so many Fox-Marvel fans with amnesia come in defending Fox. Notice that he couldn't add their flagship film X-men Apocalypse in the mix.

But what's really telling are the interviews of Hugh Jackman telling RR to go take a hike regarding a DP/Logan crossover while still wishing that the MCU had access to X-men.

.....Lets digest that for a second. Fox-Marvel's biggest star has been praising the MCU since Iron Man is coming off of doing what suppose to be his best solo film in the 17 years of playing the character. Yet doesn't want any parts in doing anymore X-men films "UNLESS" Marvel were making them...

JLaw made a similar comment about being wishing she could be part of GOTG with Chris Pratt.

That has to tell you something when it comes to CBM run studios.

 

[Docker2.0]

It's crazy how Hugh Jackmon wants to be a part of the MCU. He's even saying that he'd still be playing Wolverine if it was part of it.

http://screenrant.com/if-x-men-were-in-mcu-hugh-jackman-would-keep-playing-wolverine/

Fox is shooting itself in the foot with their own stubbornness. I don't think Fox has ever had a comic book movie to make $1B and they are truly limited themselves with their idiotic moves. Having Ryan Reynolds help write DP2 is dangerously risky!

 

[metaphysician]

Yeah I say 5 Hits 7 Misses 2 Meh

OTOH, how much of that is BvS coming out beforehand, and making it look good?

 

[Dark Raven]

The only way for Hugh Jackman's Wolverine to be in the MCU and not mess up continuities is to have an adaptation of the original Secret Wars where the Beyonder can bring people from different universes together onto Battleworld. They can go their separate ways afterwards, or they could cross to the MCU earth for a visit, like how it is done with the Flash and Supergirl on the CW.

There's no way though they can say that the X-Men always existed in the MCU.

 

[Spiderine]

The only way for Hugh Jackman's Wolverine to be in the MCU and not mess up continuities is to have an adaptation of the original Secret Wars where the Beyonder can bring people from different universes together onto Battleworld. They can go their separate ways afterwards, or they could cross to the MCU earth for a visit, like how it is done with the Flash and Supergirl on the CW.

There's no way though they can say that the X-Men always existed in the MCU.

The XMen don't even know where they exist in their own timeline for crying out loud.

 

[Docker2.0]

Or Hugh Jackman can play a new character................like Adam Warlock..............or Reed Richards.

 

[Darkraid]

Or Hugh Jackman can play a new character................like Adam Warlock..............or Reed Richards.

That is one beefy Reed Richards LOL

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If Michael Fassbender is really done slumming it, I'd love to see him as Reed Richards.t:

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The only way for Hugh Jackman's Wolverine to be in the MCU and not mess up continuities is to have an adaptation of the original Secret Wars where the Beyonder can bring people from different universes together onto Battleworld. They can go their separate ways afterwards, or they could cross to the MCU earth for a visit, like how it is done with the Flash and Supergirl on the CW.

There's no way though they can say that the X-Men always existed in the MCU.

He could play the same character in a new continuity, like Judi Dench in the Craig Bond films.

 

[Frankeh]

The X-Family TV and solo projects are doing well, but X-Men proper is in pretty rough shape.

Which is infuriating to me because the X-Men proper should be the priority.

They're getting all this talent for the other projects but the main franchise is stuck with the same old, same old.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I fear for the future of the X-Men franchise. The films as of late have mostly been very good. Apocalypse being the exception and even it was more mediocre than outright bad.

But I look at the future plate and all I see is chaos. I just can't help but think the lack of planning could bite them hard in the very near future. Hopefully I'm wrong, but to me the reports of what is happening backstage at Fox with regards to this franchise seems eerily similar to the mess they've got at WB with the DCEU.