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The Road To The Batman: Batman Movies Rewatch Thread

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I made a similar thread with Spider-Man with No Way Home, but I figured I try the same thing with Bats and and see what happens. This will be a thread to discuss your rewatch of the theatrically released Batman movies leading up to the first theatrical release of a new standalone live action Batman movie in nearly a decade in March.

Batman: The Movie

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Batman ‘89

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Batman Returns

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Batman: Mask Of Phantasm

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Batman Forever

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Batman And Robin

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Batman Begins

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The Dark Knight

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The Dark Knight Rises

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Lego Batman

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Haven't seen Batman Returns in such a long time.

Tim Burton's version of Oswald Cobblpot and Selina Kyle are very divorced from the source material.

But also very powerful in there own right.

Personally after this rewatch I'm torn on them.

It seems that Tim Burton wanted make them misunderstood tragic outsiders drive insane by Gotham City.

But that get a bit undermined in my opinion by there really really weird origin storys.

Selina gets thrown out of a ****in building but somehow .... Survives .... ?

And gets revived by cats...

Which give her nine lives... ?

I mean what the **** lol why didn't they just have giver her the year one orgin a lol seems alot more fitting for her character and frankly makes more sense.

This isn't Spider-Man so I'm not sure why the most realistic and plausible villan in the rogue's gallery has superpowers and bitten by magical cat's lol.


Oswald Cobblpot makes even less sense lol he's born a monster I guess never even explained how or why but he's able to kill a cat in cage so his parents throw him a river..

He gets found by penguins...in the sewer and gets ****in rasied by them... ? Umm what how does human baby get rasied by ****in penguins and live to tell the tale lol... How does he know english how did he becomes a child kidnaper a ****ed up corrupt ringleader for a corrupt circus ?..

None of their backstory make sense whatsoever even for a fantastical Batman movie.

However despite these absurd origins there reactions to the more physoclilgy damaging and realastic parts of there backstory are really convincing and powerful.

Selina having a complete mentally breakdown after her answering machine suggested she buy some product to seduce her boss after he literally tried to murder her is ****in heartbreaking.

You really understand why someone would just snap after that.

Oswald Cobblpot childhood shouldn't be possible but it did happen so I can imagine that would **** him up pretty good to be alone with know one but flightless birds and a circus fill of nut bags his own twisted way all he wanted was to be accepted for he is the only problem being who he is a mentally destroyed monster of a man.



Overall a pretty interesting movie to come back too.

Not sure if its as good as 89 Batman has zero stuff do but flirt with Selina hell he barely tries to stop Oswald from anything if it doesn't involve him or Selina personally getting hurt.

It's good Tim Burton movie an okay Batman movie and classic for sure in my eyes.


Not the worst Batman film not the best and not the most average either.

It kinds exists in a world of it's own.












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Don’t know if I have access to Batman The Movie or Lego Batman, but will certainly be watching all the rest in advance of the film.
 
I was planning on rewatching most of these sometime soon anyway....it has nothing to do with the upcoming Batman movie, it's because it has been a couple years since I last watched them.
 
I actually rewatched the TDK trilogy over the last week because listening to Giacchino’s Batman theme got me in the mood. Not much more to say about the Nolan movies that hasn’t already been said but nevertheless, here are some thoughts:

I have to say, this time around I actually really enjoyed revisiting Batman Begins more than the others since it’s a better film than TDKR and TDK is just tattooed on my brain at this point from watching it so many times. Even though I’m sure most would agree with me that TDK is the best of the trilogy, I have to say that Begins is a better overall Batman movie. I also found myself wishing that the Begins suit had stuck around a little longer. I like the TDK/Rises suit but the Begins suit looked so much more imposing.
 
I actually rewatched the TDK trilogy over the last week because listening to Giacchino’s Batman theme got me in the mood. Not much more to say about the Nolan movies that hasn’t already been said but nevertheless, here are some thoughts:

I have to say, this time around I actually really enjoyed revisiting Batman Begins more than the others since it’s a better film than TDKR and TDK is just tattooed on my brain at this point from watching it so many times. Even though I’m sure most would agree with me that TDK is the best of the trilogy, I have to say that Begins is a better overall Batman movie. I also found myself wishing that the Begins suit had stuck around a little longer. I like the TDK/Rises suit but the Begins suit looked so much more imposing.


Begins and Rises are better "Batman movies" to me than Dark Knight because he's really the main character and his emtional journey thats the most important.

Dark Knight is more of a Gotham City story in my opinion.
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I've rewatched the Burton, Schumacher and Nolan trilogy so far. I actually just finished up the Nolan trilogy last night, so next will most likely be Mask of The Phantasm. The ending of The Dark Knight Rises still chokes me up!
 
I choose a slightly different "Road to The Batman". I started to read or re-read part of my comic book collection. Especially stories set in Batman's early career such as Shaman, Gothic, Year Two,... I also finally discovered Milligan's "Dark Night, Dark City" which features a pretty chilling story with the Riddler. That was a nice appetizer hehe.

There's also right now a rerun of Batman TAS on a cartoon channel over here. Coincidentally, they air episodes every night at 8 p.m., that's the same schedule I discovered the show almost 30 years ago. That was the ritual back then; dinner, watch the episode, take off the batsuit and go to bed haha. It's a very nice and heart-warming travel in time !

So yeah, it's a pretty Batman-y winter and it all helps to stay a bit away from all that massive marketing as I try to avoid any footage since the last fandome trailer. Apart from a few GIFs here and there, on which I quickly scroll, I'm doing pretty well I think. I still listened to the Giacchino Batman theme though.
 
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I've recently thought about revisiting the Nolan series - and attempting to make my peace with it, as a fan.

For context, I was a major Nolan Batman fan. I had the Begins script by early 2004. I followed set photos, videos and traded information. I did the same for Dark Knight, following the filming, viral marketing and even bootlegged trailers.

But post-2012...the series just fell out of my favor.

From the stylistic and tonal shift from Begins onward, the hyper-realistic takes changing characters, Bruce's dependence on Fox, the voice, iffy fight scenes, etc.

But the real torpedo of my love of the series was some narrative aspects of Rises.

The '8 Year Gap'.

Batman...doesn't quit. BUT, if Nolan wanted him to do so, I understand narratively if that's the story he wanted to tell. I'm not 100% against Batman taking years of a hiatus, my issue was that they made it so the Dark Knight ending was his last night as Batman.

Immediately, that takes away all fan speculation, all imagination and such from what we can imagine happened in those 8 years. It makes it so we can't have our own head-canon about Bale's Batman having adventures, villains and stories beyond the three films.

I remember myself and other fans had so many ideas about Batman trying to operate for a long time with the GCPD after him, trying to evade them and still take down other villains. And that wasn't to be, even a little bit.

And it makes it so Bale's Batman was only Batman for...maybe a year? If that?

Rises just took Nolan's world and with this singular aspect - made that world seem so much smaller. Which undermines the whole series, to me.

Rises felt more like a 4th film, made years after the initial trilogy. And I think it would've worked better as such.

This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me, as a fan.
 
I recently rewatched the Burton/Schumacher series, but not because of "The Batman".

An interesting thing for me about B89 is how Batman operates like classic Canon Batman until he finds out who killed his parents. Then, he basically becomes the type of 80's action hero who kills most of the villains in his path.

Then in BR, it's almost the opposite. For most of the movie, he's killing people until the very last act, when he suddenly has the morals of classic canon Batman. As much as some fans talk as if they had a storyarc in mind for this Batman, I wouldn't say that they did.

Batman Forever isn't a good movie, but it is watchable. I maintain that Chase Meridian is the only primary love interest in this series that Bruce could've had a lasting relationship with. Tommy Lee Jones is clearly trying to match Jim Carrey, and he just fails.

B & R just feels so...unnecessary. BF feels like the natural end to this Batman, and B&R sometimes feels like a rehash of that movie. The Alfred arc is pretty ok, though.
 
Watched Batman & Robin with a friend who had never seen it before, recently.

We had a blast.

Hilarious film. Visually a treat, too. But seriously, it's a hilarious watch. She was not ready for an ape costume strip-tease.

Will say the Alfred/Bruce scenes are some of the best Alfred/Bruce scenes in Batman film history, though. They actually hit.
 
I've recently thought about revisiting the Nolan series - and attempting to make my peace with it, as a fan.

For context, I was a major Nolan Batman fan. I had the Begins script by early 2004. I followed set photos, videos and traded information. I did the same for Dark Knight, following the filming, viral marketing and even bootlegged trailers.

But post-2012...the series just fell out of my favor.

From the stylistic and tonal shift from Begins onward, the hyper-realistic takes changing characters, Bruce's dependence on Fox, the voice, iffy fight scenes, etc.

But the real torpedo of my love of the series was some narrative aspects of Rises.

The '8 Year Gap'.

Batman...doesn't quit. BUT, if Nolan wanted him to do so, I understand narratively if that's the story he wanted to tell. I'm not 100% against Batman taking years of a hiatus, my issue was that they made it so the Dark Knight ending was his last night as Batman.

Immediately, that takes away all fan speculation, all imagination and such from what we can imagine happened in those 8 years. It makes it so we can't have our own head-canon about Bale's Batman having adventures, villains and stories beyond the three films.

I remember myself and other fans had so many ideas about Batman trying to operate for a long time with the GCPD after him, trying to evade them and still take down other villains. And that wasn't to be, even a little bit.

And it makes it so Bale's Batman was only Batman for...maybe a year? If that?

Rises just took Nolan's world and with this singular aspect - made that world seem so much smaller. Which undermines the whole series, to me.

Rises felt more like a 4th film, made years after the initial trilogy. And I think it would've worked better as such.

This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me, as a fan.

that was the last confirmed sighting of the Batman by the GCPD not his last night as Batman.

he kept being Batman through for a couple years after that but stopped once the whole nuclear fusion idea went to **** too.
 
I'm pretty sure that was the last confirmed sighting of the Batman by the GCPD not his lnight as Batman.

I thought it was implied that he kept being Batman through his 8 years but stopped once the whole nuclear fusion idea went to **** too because of the because it was to much of to have both Batman and Bruce Wayne side of things to have this much setbacks he just couldn't take it anymore.

I'd love for this to be correct - but he still had his knee injury from the end of the 2nd film by the beginning of the 3rd.

Bruce's hallucination of Ra's also says Bruce "fought the decadence of Gotham for years..."
 
I'd love for this to be correct - but he still had his knee injury from the end of the 2nd film by the beginning of the 3rd.

Bruce's hallucination of Ra's also says Bruce "fought the decadence of Gotham for years..."

Damn I completely forgot about that.....

Yeah I guess your right he wasn't Batman for those entire 8 years...

That's so ****in stupid....

Your telling me that there was no other rogue's throughout that large gap to deal with.

This is gonna bother me now which sucks because I realy love this triolgy and Bale's Batman.
 
Damn I completely forgot about that.....

Yeah I guess your right he wasn't Batman for those entire 8 years...

That's so ****in stupid....

Your telling me that there was no other rogue's throughout that large gap to deal with.

This is gonna bother me now which sucks because I realy love this triolgy and Bale's Batman.

It bothers me too. Has since 2012.

It really is my only major issue with the Nolan films - but it's a big one.
 
It bothers me too. Has since 2012.

It really is my only major issue with the Nolan films - but it's a big one.

This is major issue for me as well now.

It would have been in 2012 if had realized it for some reason I thought he only stopped when the fusion reactor went bad.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

Why did he stop being Batman after Knight ?

Isn't that what Joker would have wanted ?

Why do that utilmate sacrifice by taking the blame for Harvey's crimes if he was just gonna give up right there and than ?

I'm honestly fine with Batman stopping after he completes his mission or seeing Batman as something temporary those are all things I enjoy about Nolan's interpretation he'll even the comics sometimes have those things.

But for Bruce to stop being Batman that early when the mission isn't done just feels...


Wrong and and kinda selfish.
 
@OnLeatherWings

My head canon has always been....

There are definitely adventures between Begins and TDK. A whole year passes. Even Gotham Knight explored some other rogues popping up in that in between period, even if it's not A-level canon.

And as far as the 8 year gap, I think there is some wiggle room there too. For one, he has a whole new Batcave and we know Wayne Manor was still under construction in TDK. Alfred says, "you haven't been down here in a long time"-- which in my eyes, always confirmed the fact that he's obviously been down there and used it before. There is an unclear amount of time between the night of Dent's death and the passing of the Dent Act. Then we have "last confirmed sighting". Which of course alludes to the possibilities of some 'unconfirmed' sightings, Batman kind of receding back into a bit of an urban legend. The way I saw it, Batman could've been super-stealthily active for some period between TDK and Rises. Maybe no 'major' events happen in that period, but I think there could've been small scale stories where he's staying vigilant as the city recovers from the events of TDK, eventually leading to the passing of the Dent Act/IE the final nail in the coffin for organized crime in Gotham-- which was always his mission statement. As far as the knee injury, I always saw it that it would've deteriorated over time left untreated. I didn't think of it like he'd been walking with a cane for the entire 8 years.

Now I get it, it's not the sprawling Bat-universe full of 'freaks' a lot of fans had hoped it would be building to after BB/TDK, but I do think the movie offers enough little nuggets to imagine what might've exactly happened between films. I don't think it's exactly clear cut, and it's something I actually thought a lot about after TDKR came out. But I definitely landed on the side of, it's left open enough to imagine certain possibilities.

Personally, I think sometimes fans get overly caught up on the idea of how much time he's clocked in the cape and cowl and are weighing it against 80 years of history and the fact that Batman is a constant. I think if you take a step back, and just accept it for what it is- a uniquely finite cinematic interpretation of the character, I find it's easier to accept.

I think it's worth revisiting the films, and just appreciating what they have to offer. Even if they don't represent your personal Batman, which is fine-- IMO it's still one great big Batman story where it's greater than the sum of its parts. It's the only beginning to end version of the story that exists, really. I think what you may lose in head canon and a world that you can tell infinite stories in-- you gain (at least IMO) the satisfaction and closure of having gotten to witness an entire arc that takes us from Bruce drifting across the globe, training with the League of Shadows, to putting together the idea and methods for his mission, his first night in Gotham, encounters with some of his most important rogues and echoes from some of the most iconic comic runs, all the way through the end of his mission. And the 8 year gap allows us to see how his legend grows in his absence- IE. we see how the orphans still believe in the Bat, despite him 'becoming the villain'. I think stuff like that makes it a richer story.
 
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Well, Bruce was depressed. He lost his love and his hope for a better future (even throught he'd be disappointed with Rachel and Harv's wedding :funny:). Him quiting makes sense by this point of view, of course it'd be great too see him being Batman at this time, or keep his activities being hunted by the police, but it made some kinda of sense. And it added a new weight to the movie, since we knew it'd be the last.
 
I choose a slightly different "Road to The Batman". I started to read or re-read part of my comic book collection. Especially stories set in Batman's early career such as Shaman, Gothic, Year Two,... I also finally discovered Milligan's "Dark Night, Dark City" which features a pretty chilling story with the Riddler. That was a nice appetizer hehe.

There's also right now a rerun of Batman TAS on a cartoon channel over here. Coincidentally, they air episodes every night at 8 p.m., that's the same schedule I discovered the show almost 30 years ago. That was the ritual back then; dinner, watch the episode, take off the batsuit and go to bed haha. It's a very nice and heart-warming travel in time !

So yeah, it's a pretty Batman-y winter and it all helps to stay a bit away from all that massive marketing as I try to avoid any footage since the last fandome trailer. Apart from a few GIFs here and there, on which I quickly scroll, I'm doing pretty well I think. I still listened to the Giacchino Batman theme though.

Shaman is one of my favorite Batman stories.

Dark Knight, Dark City is cool too. That part with the baby. :wow:
 
This topic reminded me I still haven't seen Batman and Robin, only bits and pieces of it. I wonder if I should finally do so.


Yes. Absolutely. Just go in thinking of it as a studio-approved parody, and you will love it.

Yes, I agree with @OtherwiseKnownAs about just seeing it as a parody. The movie is bad, but it's so bad that you should just turn your brain off and soak in what you're watching. I feel, as bad as it is, it's found it's place in Batman history. During the Nolan era though, you wouldn't hear me saying that haha.
 

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