Of course they gave great development to everyone else, they have actual films to draw from and places for them to go as characters. Hawkeye was relegated to essentially being debuted in this film, how much character-development time - Just for Hawkeye - did you want devoted to him in the film. With everything that was going on and everyone that was in this film, I think Whedon tried painting Hawkeye in the best possible light knowing he was the , newest and therefore least developed member.
Hmmm... but Black Widow didn't have a film, and she got more development than Hulk who did. It's not a function of having solo films. Previous development gives you fewer directions you can go, not more. But on that note, Hawkeye was available to get the shaft in this way because he had no solo film, he was not a highly anticipated part of the film, it's not that he was somehow unable to handle lots of development (what new character is?), but he could be sacrificed, so to speak, without much outcry.
I personally think Hawkeye could have stood for a couple more minutes, enough to get his take on the events, give him a half a conversation with someone else, and another action moment, like a really crucial shot at the gateway or something like that. I suspect that couple minutes ended up on the cutting room floor. But it was 'okay' without that. It just made it seem like he wasn't capable of doing more than he did. Once he was out of arrows, he was out of the film.
But my point, again, is not that Hawkeye was short sticked, but that he was shortsticked
by necessity, because you can only serve 5 and a half characters at the level that the Avengers operates at, regardless of any other factors, because of
time. Unless you are ready to paint additional characters, including those already established to perform at Avengers-level, as Hawkeye-level in capability and depth, then you simply cannot add any more characters without taking some beloved, expected characters away.
I agree with this entire statement. He had the least amount of time, so the little bit of hawkeye we got, was great hawkeye. But i'm also not going to cry foul that a guy who was just introduced into this film, didn't get the best character moments. Of course, you could play devil's advocate and say that's why he should have gotten more character moments, because he was the least developed, but it doesn't matter because no amount of complaining is going to magically make hawkeye get more character development when I see this again tomorrow.
I hope though that in the long run, the GA sees how great Hawkeye was and is and maybe we can get some sort of Hawkeye-centric film so we can get his character-development on the level of cap, IM, Thor, Hulk and whatnot.
The GA has seen clearly that Hawkeye is a part of Black Widow's story with not much depth to him. There's simply not enough time in any Avengers movie to explore him to the level of others. And that's okay, its for the best overall.
Ha, Joss doesn't need to get better at writing. Joss is a Godsend to the MCu
Other characters shouldn't be treated the same way as hawkeye(or even bw as far as their character development.) I want the most developed characters in these movies so I can care about them as much as IM, Cap, Thor and even Hulk.
But if you're going to introduce a new character to the team without the help of a previous movie, that our other main avengers got, it isn't realistic to expect them to be on the same characteristically developed level as the others is all.
If you want a solution to that problem, not that i'd be for or against this, but I guess then they shouldn't introduce any new characters to the actual team until they get their own solo movies so they can be fully developed and actually have the next Avengers film to help their character grow upon which has already been laid out in a solo film.
Again, how does Black Widow fit into this paradigm, where characters Avengers development is a function of their solo movie development? Or did you mean appearing in Solo movies?
Regardless, it doesn't matter how many solo movies a character has, there's still only so much time available in the Avengers movies, so something has to give within those six characters (Cap,IM,Thor,Hulk,BW,Hawkeye) for anyone to get ANYextra screentime. So what's going to give? Who do you take screentime from, and how much to give to BP/AntMan/Wasp/MsMarvel/Vision/Dr.Strange?
I do see how my original question was not clear, but I think I'm getting at the issue more clearly now.
You can introduce new characters with a minimal amount of time devoted to backstory and powers. Give audiences credit....they're not toddlers. You don't have to hold their hand to make them understand. Most audiences can "figure out" a character with just a few lines and even a single scene --- and that's true of any movie in any genre throughout film history, long as the writing's good. You don't need thirty minutes to show who Black Panther is, or what Ant-Man's powers are. Granted, *some* Avengers' origins have very convoluted backstories tied to their powers (Vision, Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel), but even that could be altered and/or abridged to be a lot more concise.
Same question. Where does the time come from? And after you take the two-three minutes to introduce them, how much time do they get to develop relationships with their teammates? How much time do they get showing off their powers? And where does that time come from?
