The Runtime thread

[Web-Head]

Figured I'd make a separate thread for the runtime instead of having the discussion bog down the general thread..

http://collider.com/thor-ragnarok-run-time-revealed-taika-waititi/

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[Mjölnir]

Might as well post this one right away then, to complete the available info.

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[HammerDown]

The thing is: how will they pack so much stuff in 100 minutes? That's my only worry about the movie.

I don't know. Taika said "about 100 minutes". And that is surely without the credits and everything else. When adding everything up it will most likely clock just under 2 hours... 115 minutes would be my estimate.

Taika said the following.

The cut right now i reckon is probably about 100 minutes. It's not too long. It's not gonna be a very very long film. I think stories are better when you leave them wanting more and this film moves at a clip. It's got stuff happening all the time and i think people are still gonna feel exhausted by the end of it. You know being on this big journey and stuff. I don't know if we need the film to be 3 hours...
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There's a 2 and a half hour cut for sure. There's a 2 hour cut. There's probably a 100 minute cut.

So there's no shortage of scenes and content. It's just the way Taika Waititi wants to tell this/his story. Fast pace and intense action comedy with a intergalactic buddy road-trip vibe to the movie.

 

[Iceman]

Just said something similar in the main thread but I'd love for Taika to release his 2hr 30 extended cut on blu-ray, even if later down the line when they've sold enough regular copies. I don't mind being double-dipped on this if it means I get an extra 50 minutes of Ragnarok!

 

[HammerDown]

Taika also said.

There will be a lot of deleted scenes. Great scenes. Funny funny moments... You can't have it all. As i say "you gotta kill those puppies". We've had to take some of those things out. And those scenes will exist and people will be able to see it.

What i take from his words is that he ended up "trimming the fat". Even though those scene where "great" in his own words, they probably didn't fit or either didn't help or we're needed to the flow of the story he was trying to tell. And as he had explained previously the movie "moves at a clip".

 

[Iceman]

Yes that sounds aweseome. Great clips that are cut for pacing reasons or not quite fitting means they will be able to add a lot for fans who want to see everything. Pacing isn't that important for me as I'd rather see everything and I watch the extended editions of films like LotR and King Kong and some of those extra scenes aren't even that good (but still help to further that feeling of disappearing into another world). I just hope you can watch these additional scenes as part of an extended cut rather than only on their own.

 

[HammerDown]

Just said something similar in the main thread but I'd love for Taika to release his 2hr 30 extended cut on blu-ray, even if later down the line when they've sold enough regular copies. I don't mind being double-dipped on this if it means I get an extra 50 minutes of Ragnarok!

Don't know about and extended cut but i guess those scenes will be part of the "deleted scenes" so people will be able to enjoy them too.

Yes that sounds aweseome. Great clips that are cut for pacing reasons or not quite fitting means they will be able to add a lot for fans who want to see everything. Pacing isn't that important for me as I'd rather see everything and I watch the extended editions of films like LotR and King Kong and some of those extra scenes aren't even that good (but still help to further that feeling of disappearing into another world). I just hope you can watch these additional scenes as part of an extended cut rather than only on their own.

That i don't know. It could happen i guess. It's surely not a impossibility.

 

[Iceman]

Don't know about and extended cut but i guess those scenes will be part of the "deleted scenes" so people will be able to enjoy them too.

Not that I expect an extended cut (don't think it's a common thing with MCU films), but I'd love it if the deleted scenes could be viewed by being automatically inserted into the film. I know that feature is available on some discs that I've watched before but can't recall which. And if not it will still be great to have nearly an hour of deleted content to watch independently.

 

[Krystal]

Deleted scenes for me, fall into two categories --

Should have left it in! AND

Glad they left it out!

So if the does turn out to be short (under 110 minutes everything included) it will be very frustrating for me to see any real good stuff they left out.

And if the vast majority of the cut stuff is silly, "funny" stuff then they simply had a script that was too lean on serious material -- in a film called Ragnarok.

 

[metaphysician]

There is nothing about the title that intrinsically requires "serious material".

 

[Krystal]

Lol.

 

[Flemm]

It's possible that the looming conflict in Infinity War led Marvel to favor a lighter tone for this movie.

Ragnarok is like an Asgardian end of the world situation, at least in theory, but I guess adapting that idea as a mostly serious apocalyptic story might have felt weird, with the much larger-scale Avengers story happening soon afterward? Maybe.

I'm a little skeptical of comedy always being the solution for making the story and characters entertaining. It can get a little repetitive if too many characters are played for humor.

We'll see. I'm excited about many aspects of the movie, but I can understand mixed feelings about Ragnarok being a lighthearted romp or buddy movie.

 

[metaphysician]

An over the top heavy-metal "the world is ending" does not equal "grim". Seriously, read the Simonson run. If the movie were about dour people sternly facing the end of the world, it'd be missing the point of the source material.

 

[Flemm]

An over the top heavy-metal "the world is ending" does not equal "grim". Seriously, read the Simonson run. If the movie were about dour people sternly facing the end of the world, it'd be missing the point of the source material.

I assume you're joking?

It's not dour, but it's not lighthearted either. Overall the tone is epic.

Simonson did a little parody (like Frog Thor), and there's a funny moment occasionally outside of that, but comedy is not the focus of his run.

 

[metaphysician]

Neither is grim seriousness. It was less bleak than Lord of the Rings.

 

[Finarfiniel]

It's not dour, but it's not lighthearted either. Overall the tone is epic.

I agree with this to an extent, but it's certainly a lot less 'gritty' and grimdark than some of the more modern Thor runs.

As an aside, just because Ragnarok is clearly going to have a pretty zany, comedic tone overall, it doesn't mean that it won't get dark and serious when it needs to and be suitably epic in scope. Waititi is a master at mixing comedy and drama to brilliant effect. There aren't many directors who can have you belly laughing one minute and sobbing your eyes out the next, but Taika can.

 

[Flemm]

Neither is grim seriousness. It was less bleak than Lord of the Rings.

Well, I was understanding the term "serious" to mostly mean "not comedic" in this context.

If we are interpreting it to mean stuff like dour, grim, slow, boring, bleak, etc., then of course that is different.

The Simonson stories like Beta Ray Bill, or Skurge's Last Stand, or the Surtur Saga were very high-energy, thrilling and emotionally resonant. They shook up the status quo for Thor at the time, and injected a sense of foreboding and impending danger (the foreshadowing of Surtur was particularly effective).

So, anyway, the point is just that they didn't rely heavily on comedy to be entertaining and exciting.

Not to say that the film being comedic is necessarily a bad choice. Maybe it will have a unique mixture of tones and feel epic at the right moments.

But just as a personal preference or opinion, it doesn't really surprise me that someone might be looking for an epic tone, rather than a mostly comedic one.

 

[BigThor]

Well, Taika is a comedic director what else would you expect?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

100 minutes including or excluding credits?

 

[HammerDown]

100 minutes including or excluding credits?

Since he was still working with different early cuts of 150, 120 and 100 minutes I would say it's without credits.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Since he was still working with different early cuts of 150, 120 and 100 minutes I would say it's without credits.

I'd prefer it that way.

 

[metaphysician]

It would also be lacking any stingers, since those occur during and after the credits. Though I doubt Thor 3 will have nearly as many stingers as Guardians 2 did.

 

[Moridin]

Well, Taika is a comedic director what else would you expect?

1 of his films is a comedy, What We Do In the Shadows (which even then is a satirical horror mockumentary).

His other 3 films are comedy/dramas.

 

[Finarfiniel]

1 of his films is a comedy, What We Do In the Shadows (which even then is a satirical horror mockumentary).

His other 3 films are comedy/dramas.

Yeah, to say that Taika is solely a comedic director isn't really accurate. Besides, just because a director is know for one genre doesn't mean he/she can't do anything different. Look at the Russo brothers, before CA: The Winter Soldier they were most well known as being the directors of a few episodes of Community, Arrested Development and You, Me and Dupree, all comedic works.

 

[HammerDown]

Some people that talk about Taika don't really know his work that well. Its all about a subtle balance of comedy and drama like he once said too. Yes he's more comedy oriented. But when he wants he can easily make you feel really feel for his characters.

One example is in THFTWP when he presents Ricky's [BLACKOUT]aunt and she is so nice, fun and heartwarming but then out of knowehere she dies leaving you feeling that loss so much. It's shocking and unexpected. The way she dies it's also natural and at the same time so tragic. [/BLACKOUT]That's one of Taika strengths, make you feel for the characters almost immediately just by giving them small and impactful moments and small nuances to their behavior.

That's why I feel confident he will bring that skill to TR and make it something special and not only about the spectacle which already looks like it will deliver in a big way.